Joshua - The Christ View of Jesus.

[Kenny]

You are reading your own prejudice into what is written. You will have to define your own version of "wicked" (Matthew 13:49) to come up with your conclusion. There will be "few" that find the way to life, whereas there will be many who find the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-15), and the wide path to "destruction", is constructed by the "false prophets" who "Practice Lawlessness", such as Paul's false gospel of grace/cross (Matthew 7:23).

I prefer to "judge not lest ye be judged". We can sword fight if you so desire.

 

[Kenny]

The writing on the minds and hearts is with respect to Israel in Ezekiel 36:26 and Jeremiah 31:33 is with respect to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. With respect to Ezekiel 34:20-24, the Lord God, YHWY, will judge between the sheep, and "My servant David", will be their "shepherd" & "prince"/king. In Israel, all the kings, prophets, and priest are anointed (Christ). Joshua is the modern version of Yeshua, and both mean YHWH saves. When you believe in the name of Christ, Yeshua, you believe that YHWH, the Lord God saves. Joshua is just his anointed prince/king/shepherd. What will last forever is that YHWH will find his sanctuary in the combined temple of a combined Judah and Ephraim (Ezekiel 37:25-28), on the land given to Jacob.

Definitely yes.

However, as a Christ follower, I am now of the tribe of Judah.

 

[Kenny]

I'm sorry, but although the messiah is a part of Jewish prophecy, he is no where near the core of what the Tanakh teaches. The central gist of the tankah is "Obey God." The idea of the messianic age to come, and a king who will rule during that time is just not central.

What, in your view, is central?

 

[dybmh]

Definitely helps. As a Christ follower, having God make His temple in my heart was the difference.

The question is, what do you think Jeremiah or Joshua would advise regarding following the laws, statues, and ordinances after someone has circumsized their heart? And then does that advice match what is perscribed by Christian theology?

 

[Kenny]

The question is, what do you think Jeremiah or Joshua would advise regarding following the laws, statues, and ordinances after someone has circumsized their heart? And then does that advice match what is perscribed by Christian theology?

Actually, it does. The question is, what is the heart.

Rom 2:28 For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

After all, it isn't just those who were later called Christians but all those who had their heart circumcised before Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 53

 

[dybmh]

Actually, it does. The question is, what is the heart.

Rom 2:28 For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

After all, it isn't just those who were later called Christians but all those who had their heart circumcised before Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 53

Again, Joshua, Jeremiah, what would they have advised regarding the laws, decrees, ordinances of the written law after someone circumcises their heart?

 

[2ndpillar]

Definitely yes.

However, as a Christ follower, I am now of the tribe of Judah.

Yeah sure. The tribes of Judah and Ephraim, when combined, "will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them" (Ezekiel 37:24). The term Jew refers to the tribe of Judah, combined with Levi and Benjamin. If given a new Spirit, they are "careful to observe my ordinances" (Ezekiel 36:27). The "new heart of flesh" must proceed "My Spirit within you" (Ezekiel 36:26), at which time they will "observe My ordinances". Are you baptized in the Spirit of God, and "observe My ordinances"? Or like the Pharisees of Matthew 3:7, did you receive the water baptism of repentance (Matthew 3), and yet fail to get the baptism of the Holy Spirit, therefore not able to produce good fruit? Is your leader also a Pharisee of Pharisees? Are you following the wolf in sheep's clothing, on the broad way that leads to destruction (Matthew 7:13), or on the narrow way that leads to life, in which the "few" find it?

 

[2ndpillar]

Actually, it does. The question is, what is the heart.

Rom 2:28 For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

After all, it isn't just those who were later called Christians but all those who had their heart circumcised before Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 53

Those called "Christians", based on the decrees (now Christian dogma) of the founder of the Roman Catholic church, the Roman Emperor Constantine, the beast with two horns like a lamb, are among the daughters of Babylon, and unless they come out of "her", they are destined, and are now suffering from her plagues (Revelation 18:4). Having the mark of the beast with two horns like a lamb, they are destined to drink from the cup of God's anger (Revelation 14:10). Calling themselves "Judah", isn't going to save their bacon. The survivors of the nations/Gentiles, of the coming turmoil (Great Tribulation), will approach the Jews, and say God is with you, and our Fathers (Christian) have inherited nothing but lies (Jeremiah 16:19).

 

[Kenny]

Again, Joshua, Jeremiah, what would they have advised regarding the laws, decrees, ordinances of the written law after someone circumcises their heart?

I know you are fishing for something since I have answered it a variety of times. I also don't know why you don't add Abraham to it since God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and remains the father of the faith.

So here goes again and hopefully I will nail it.

Deuteronomy 6:.5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. 6 And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart?

Certainly they should also observe the passover that, as followers of Christ, we believe he fulfilled. We observe it every time we take what is known as "The Lord's Supper"

I don't know why you don't observe the fact that the Abrahamic covenant is not the same as the Mosaic covenant.

 

[Kenny]

Yeah sure. The tribes of Judah and Ephraim, when combined, "will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them" (Ezekiel 37:24). The term Jew refers to the tribe of Judah, combined with Levi and Benjamin. If given a new Spirit, they are "careful to observe my ordinances" (Ezekiel 36:27). The "new heart of flesh" must proceed "My Spirit within you" (Ezekiel 36:26), at which time they will "observe My ordinances". Are you baptized in the Spirit of God, and "observe My ordinances"? Or like the Pharisees of Matthew 3:7, did you receive the water baptism of repentance (Matthew 3), and yet fail to get the baptism of the Holy Spirit, therefore not able to produce good fruit? Is your leader also a Pharisee of Pharisees? Are you following the wolf in sheep's clothing, on the broad way that leads to destruction (Matthew 7:13), or on the narrow way that leads to life, in which the "few" find it?

Yes, i am baptized with His Spirit within me. Rivers of living water that have no end. Was there a point you wanted to make?

 

[Kenny]

Those called "Christians", based on the decrees (now Christian dogma) of the founder of the Roman Catholic church, the Roman Emperor Constantine, the beast with two horns like a lamb, are among the daughters of Babylon, and unless they come out of "her", they are destined, and are now suffering from her plagues (Revelation 18:4). Having the mark of the beast with two horns like a lamb, they are destined to drink from the cup of God's anger (Revelation 14:10). Calling themselves "Judah", isn't going to save their bacon. The survivors of the nations/Gentiles, of the coming turmoil (Great Tribulation), will approach the Jews, and say God is with you, and our Fathers (Christian) have inherited nothing but lies (Jeremiah 16:19).

We are talking past each other here. The book of Acts talks about "Christians" way before Constantine.

I think you need to open a new thread as this has nothing to do with the direction this was is about.

 

[dybmh]

I know you are fishing for something since I have answered it a variety of times. I also don't know why you don't add Abraham to it since God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and remains the father of the faith.

So here goes again and hopefully I will nail it.

Deuteronomy 6:.5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. 6 And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart?

Certainly they should also observe the passover that, as followers of Christ, we believe he fulfilled. We observe it every time we take what is known as "The Lord's Supper"

I don't know why you don't observe the fact that the Abrahamic covenant is not the same as the Mosaic covenant.

Please direct me to the post where you answered my question? This, above, has nothing to do with Joshua nor Jeremiah. That's why I'm asking repeatedly.

I'm not fishing for anything, I simply disagree that Joshua is a good example of the foreshadowing of Jesus, because, Jesus reduced the commandments and Joshua said above all do all that's written in the Book of Law. Jeremiah discussed a new covenant, but also exhorts maintaining the laws, plural, in verse 31:35.

Edit to add: Other examples where Jeremiah implores following the law: Chapter 44:

Verse 10 "To this day they have not humbled themselves or shown reverence, nor have they followed My instruction or the statutes that I set before you and your fathers."

Verse 23 "Because you burned incense and sinned against the LORD, and did not obey the voice of the LORD or walk in His instruction, His statutes, and His testimonies, this disaster has befallen you, as you see today.”

 

[Kenny]

Please direct me to the post where you answered my question? This, above, has nothing to do with Joshua nor Jeremiah. That's why I'm asking repeatedly.

I'm not fishing for anything, I simply disagree that Joshua is a good example of the foreshadowing of Jesus, because, Jesus reduced the commandments and Joshua said above all do all that's written in the Book of Law. Jeremiah discussed a new covenant, but also exhorts maintaining the laws, plural, in verse 31:35.

And I mentioned before that there are two covenants and that not all scripture is referencing the Messiah.

I didn't say Joshua's whole life foreshadowed Jesus but rather the crossing of the river Jordan and entering into the promised land as referenced.

Jesus didn't reduce the commandments, He categorized them in two major categories... loving God and loving man - all commandments hinge on these two categories.

And throughout the TaNaKh, in my view, God was referencing the Messiah from Genesis 3 and following.

The two goats offered once a year, is a reference. The process of the offering of a lamb is a reference. The fact that the first set of Tablets were broken and the second wasn't is a reference. The sacrifice of Isaac is a great reference.

It is all there... but you have to look for it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What, in your view, is central?

Did you not read my post? I spelled out "the central teaching is OBEY GOD."

 

[Kenny]

Did you not read my post? I spelled out "the central teaching is OBEY GOD."

I'm fine with that

 

[BilliardsBall]

Deal-breaker: Joshua Chapter 1:

7Above all, be strong and very courageous. Be careful to observe 7Above all, be strong and very courageous. Be careful to observe all the law that My servant Moses commanded you. Do not turn from it to the right or to the left, so that you may prosper wherever you go. 8This Book of the Law must not depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. For then you will prosper and succeed in all you do. the law that My servant Moses commanded you. Do not turn from it to the right or to the left, so that you may prosper wherever you go. 8This Book of the Law must not depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. For then you will prosper and succeed in all you do.

Above *all* follow *everything* written in the Book of Law.

This contradicts Jesus in John 6:29: “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

The Torah/Tanakh teaches that trusting God is salvation. If Jesus is God, we are to trust Him.

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes, i am baptized with His Spirit within me. Rivers of living water that have no end. Was there a point you wanted to make?

The point I was trying to make, was that you are not of Judah, a Jew, just because you say so, and think that will get you into some heaven of your imagination, and that Judah, in the kingdom of God, will "keep My statutes" (Ezekiel 37:24), which as a supposedly declared "Christian", and a follower of the false prophet Paul, would be an anathema to your false gospel of grace/cross. As for you being "baptized with His Spirit within me", well, show me the beef. One can claim that the Pharisees of Matthew 3 were baptized, but what will be their ending? Pelozi and Biden, leaders of the nation (Revelation 16:14) can claim to have "His Spirit" within them, but Revelation 16:14 reveals that the spirit within them are demon spirits.

 

[2ndpillar]

The Torah/Tanakh teaches that trusting God is salvation. If Jesus is God, we are to trust Him.

There is a big "if" in your analysis. Yeshua is not God, as was falsely determined at the Council of Nicaea, in 325 AD, convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine, the Pontifex Maximus at the time, who was the "beast with two horns like a lamb" (Revelation 13:11), but "My servant David" is to be the king/shepherd that the Lord God will set over the combined house of Israel (Ezekiel 34:23 & 37:24 & Zechariah 14:16), and who will rule over nations with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15). The Torah teaches that Israel must keep God's Law Hosea 8:1, or they would be over run. The "trust in God", is that God will keep his promises. The message to Judah & Ephraim, was that they would be under judgement for transgressing "the covenant", until they confessed their sins (Hosea 5 -6) and that they would after 2 days (2000 years), restore the fortunes of My people (Hosea 6:11 & Joel 3:1), and bring the judgment upon the nations (Hosea 3:2).

 

[2ndpillar]

I prefer to "judge not lest ye be judged". We can sword fight if you so desire.

Sword fighting, without the Spirit of God, will get you nothing (Revelation 19:21), but sword fighting with the Spirit of God will bring about a feast for the birds. The sword is the "Word of God", which would include the "testimony of Yeshua" (Revelation 19:10), and you apparently use the word of the false prophet Paul, who is destined for the "lake of fire" (Revelation 20:10). Using Paul is like using a garden stake against a double-edged sharpened sword. If you have something against what is written in Matthew 7:13-15, please point out the problem. One is judged as they judge others. Most "Christians" judge the unbelievers are destined for the fires of hell because they don't believe in their false gospel of the cross/grace. Well, there are fires involved, but it will be the furnace of fire for those "who commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:40-42). But go ahead and sharpen up your wooden stake, but you might want to fire the edge.

 

[dybmh]

The Torah/Tanakh teaches that trusting God is salvation. If Jesus is God, we are to trust Him.

... and ...

1 Kings 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD your God to walk in His ways and to keep His statutes, commandments, ordinances, and decrees, as is written in the Law of Moses, so that you may prosper in all you do and wherever you turn,