Judaism originated in Greece

[angellous_evangellous]

Yet Eloah is itself a Polytheistic God, and there is no evidence that he was worshiped monothesiticly back then.

I do believe that the Greek pantheon originated in Pheonica/Caanan whom are originated in Sumeria/Akkad. (Anu>Ourunus>Uranos)

But believe that the Authors of the Torah was heavily influenced by Greek Writings.

The Etymology of Olympus is unknown, yet on a symbolic level, Olympus and Elohim are the same thing - Both spoke with one Voice - Elohim is etymologicly like Olym, the prefix of Olympus.

I notice that a lot of your declarations stem from what you call "etemology."

I wonder, do you know anything about the ancient languages that you reference? Can you even use a Semetic lexicon?

(Etemological similarities that indicate phonetic similarities are quite a weak evidence for inter-relationships among languages, let alone religion and theology)

 

[herushura]

How many?

Deluge myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i know they are more then 5, but these are the 5 main ones.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

A big fat book, called the A-Z of Mythology, from a book store called, cant remember shop.

basicly lists anything mythical A to Z.

Books i read at school, we learnt about greek mythology, like Theseus/perseus mainly the Heroes.

also use theoi.com, it refrences quotes from many greek books like apollodoris

So you're making these connections on your own?

And you're using this A-Z of Greek Mythology, and www.theoi.com both of which references no original documents (as you claim).

You're destroying your mind. That explains your Greek mythology, but where do you get your misguided understandings of Judaism from?

(BTW, thanks for the source)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

i know they are more then 5, but these are the 5 main ones.

That's not what you said.

You're being a bit dishonest. This post is bad, but claiming that your websites cite sources is inexcusable.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

i know they are more then 5, but these are the 5 main ones.

You should rethink this.

 

[Abu Rashid]

Yet Eloah is itself a Polytheistic God, and there is no evidence that he was worshiped monothesiticly back then.

The Semitic root a-l-h (and suggested proto-form a-l) has no specific polytheistic connotations whatsoever. It simply means in it's simplest form "a deity" or "an entity that is worshipped". You've applied cultural baggage to the root, where it simply doesn't belong. ie. Because X culture used a word based on a-l-h and they were polytheistic, therefore a-l-h denotes polytheism.

 

[LoTrobador]

And you're using this A-Z of Greek Mythology, and www.theoi.com both of which references no original documents (as you claim).

The Theoi Project does provide quotations and references (vide: Grypes).

 

[Mr Cheese]

greek stuff came later than jewish stuff...as has been pointed out...

the OP is laughable at best

 

[Mr Cheese]

Judaism is the religion, philosophy, and way of life of the Jews.[1] Originating in the Hebrew Bible, also known as the Tanakh, and explored in later texts such as the Talmud, Jews consider Judaism to be the expression of the covenantal relationship God developed with the Children of Israel. According to traditional Rabbinic Judaism, God revealed his laws and commandments to Moses on Mount Sinai in the form of both the Written and Oral Torah.[2] This was historically challenged by the Karaites who maintain that only the Written Torah was revealed,[3] and, in modern times, liberal movements such as Humanistic Judaism may be nontheistic.[4]
Judaism claims a historical continuity spanningmore than 3000 years. It is one of the oldest monotheistic religions,[5] and the oldest to survive into the present day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism




There are no fixed or universally agreed upon dates for the beginning or the end of Classical Antiquity. It is typically taken to last from the 8th century BC until the 6th century AD, or for about 1,300 years.

Ancient Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or for the small of math...

thats over 3000 years versus 28-26 hundred years

(please insert something about rocket scientists)

....

case closed

we can all go back to our rubber ducks now..and cookies

 

[tarasan]

I ve read every single post of this.... I really needed the laughs!! XD

 

[Breathe]

Oh, herushura! You're back!
Hilarity ensues.

 

[Smoke]

But the OP does not descibe earliest Hellenic paganism of the Bronze Age, but the highly refined Hellenism of the classical period.

It wasn't really my intent to support the OP.

The oldest known source for Greek myth is Homer, who Herodotus dates at 850BCE.

Not so much later than our first written source for Hebrew myth.

note: Bronze Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - 3300BCE - 1200BCE.

I know.

 

[Smoke]

or for the small of math...

thats over 3000 years versus 28-26 hundred years

(please insert something about rocket scientists)

Okay: A rocket scientist might detect a slight bias in insisting on comparing fully-developed Hellenism to the earliest inklings of Judaism.

While the OP is naive in the extreme, it seems more realistic to suggest some cross-pollination among the myths of Mediterranean cultures than to suggest that the early Hebrews had no influence but the Sumerians.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Tarasan did you see my post way back? Judaism is not the oldest religion next to Hinduism

 

[Mr Cheese]

Okay: A rocket scientist might detect a slight bias in insisting on comparing fully-developed Hellenism to the earliest inklings of Judaism.

While the OP is naive in the extreme, it seems more realistic to suggest some cross-pollination among the myths of Mediterranean cultures than to suggest that the early Hebrews had no influence but the Sumerians.

thats a whole other kettle of fish....for another thread...

Judaism, as a bunch of wandering nomads...has many influences

many the jews themselves deny...but anyway

 

[tarasan]

Tarasan did you see my post way back? Judaism is not the oldest religion next to Hinduism

really? I double checked what you said and the websites Ive sighted have those ones at alot older.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A song while I wait ...

All things considered, I would have picked Crazy.

 

[fallingblood]

I don't really feel like going back and finding the actual quotes, but there were a few points that I thought needed correcting.

First, there is evidence that at least King David existed. I believe it's called that Tel Dan Stele. I could look it up later if someone is willing to really debate it, but a quick google search should turn it up. My point, we know that he existed.

Second, we have evidence of the Hebrews from Egyptian records dating back to either 3,000 BCE or 2,000 BCE. Either way, it's much older than the 200 B.C.E. that was being claimed.

Third, the term Jew referred to the Hebrews (a group of people), and followers of Judaism. That is why King Herod was called the King of the Jews. He was Jewish and married a Jew (his family came from a group that converted to Judaism). So the explanation about him being the King of the Jews was wrong.

I have found this thread to be most interesting. I've never heard this idea before, or the idea that Julius Caesar was the prototype of Jesus.

 

[fallingblood]

That is not correct. Zoroastrianism, Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Celtic religion, and Chinese folk religion predate Judaism as well.

Zoroastrianism originated after Judaism. Celtic religion as well.

And Hinduism came before Judaism as well. I don't know what you're talking about with the Chinese though.

 

[Smoke]

Second, we have evidence of the Hebrews from Egyptian records dating back to either 3,000 BCE or 2,000 BCE. Either way, it's much older than the 200 B.C.E. that was being claimed.

Whether the Apiru ought to be identified with the Hebrews is highly controversial, and by no means settled. Personally, I think it's a hell of a longshot. Nevertheless, there's no doubt that the Hebrews were around a long time before 200 BCE.