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Judaism originated in Greece

Levite

Higher and Higher
Is not YHWH/YHVH identical to the roman god YOVE(Jupiter)

The Pharoahs are the Egyptian Conqueres of Caanan, even Israel(and Assyria) provokes the Egyptian god Osiris.

No. By the time that the Egyptians were invading the Land of Israel, Israelites were already monolatrous worshippers of YHVH and local deities, with some leaning to YHVHistic monotheism. By the time the Greeks conquered the Land of Israel, Israelites were entirely monotheistic, and had been for some time. By the time the Romans conquered the Land of Israel, Rabbinic Judaism was already in its infancy.

Analogy with foreign gods is only possible in the very earliest pre-Canaanitic and proto-Israelite forms of the religion. Once YHVHistic monolatry predominated, there was already a vast difference; and when the religion achieved its monotheistic form, all comparisons prove false.
 

herushura

Active Member
(Isaiah 64:8) Yet, O LORD, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.

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Above is Prometheus, he created Man out of Clay.

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Ptah also creates man out of Clay
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
(Isaiah 64:8) Yet, O LORD, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.
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Above is Prometheus, he created Man out of Clay.
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Ptah also creates man out of Clay

Yes, except that Isaiah is speaking figuratively, not literally. God as the artist, creating us out of clay/stone/metal/glass/fire/words is an extremely common poetic image in Jewish text.
 

herushura

Active Member
No. By the time that the Egyptians were invading the Land of Israel, Israelites were already monolatrous worshippers of YHVH and local deities, with some leaning to YHVHistic monotheism. By the time the Greeks conquered the Land of Israel, Israelites were entirely monotheistic, and had been for some time. By the time the Romans conquered the Land of Israel, Rabbinic Judaism was already in its infancy.

Analogy with foreign gods is only possible in the very earliest pre-Canaanitic and proto-Israelite forms of the religion. Once YHVHistic monolatry predominated, there was already a vast difference; and when the religion achieved its monotheistic form, all comparisons prove false.

The Primary god of King Herod was Yove, if he spoke Hebrew, then what is Yove in Hebrew,

I indeed believe that Yhwh is a monopolized version of Yove, and certian astrological events that occured must be the reason for this.
1.Comet of Caeser(Whom was one with Jupiter), and likened by the Jews
2.Acronycal Rising of Jupiter(6BC) as the Star of Bethleham spotted by magi(Astrologers)


The similarity between a hexagon shaped Jupiter "Forecourt" with the Dome of the Rock and the Jupiter Temple with the Al-Aqsa mosque is nothing short of stunning.

Hexagon Shapes is Associated with Jupiter, therefor he could be connected with the hexagram, which i belleive is either the Comet of Caeser(Jupiter) or the Star of Jupiters Rising.

He not only made himself the object of worship in this temple, but made Jerusalem the capital city of the Roman world for the worship of Jupiter. He also built an temple to Jupiter in Baalbek

The Muslim?s looked at the remainders of foundations of the two buildings of the Temple of Jupiter on the temple mount and wrongly assumed the hexagon shaped "forecourt" was the Jewish Temple

Constantine destroyed the temple and dumped the rubble, along with these statues away from the temple mount area. Later, the Muslims found these dumped stones from the temple of Jupiter and reused them to build the dome of the Rock, the Al-Aqsa mosque

Al-Aqsa Mosque is the site of the Jupiter temple, and Al-Aqsa Mosque was built using the Stones from the Jupiter temple.

The Zionist at the time of Jesus, were obsessed with Jupiter, they monoplized Jupiter, He became the One and Only God, the OT/NT were the monothesitic manuscripts of jewpiter.

Yove-Piter (I am the Father), Jesus(Originally bacchus) is the son of Jupiter, who is also god of Wine(Wine to Water), who died, and was ressurected.

All Titles to Yhwh are the same as the Title to Yove, the holy Spirit is the consort of Yove aka Juno(or the Dove), Yahovah/Yove/Dove.

Mary is a corruption of Ma-Rhea(Mother Rhea), the Mother of God.

Old Testements is a Forgary, that merges greek,egyptian,babylon text together, and creating fake geneologies(Isaac son of Abraham). to connect all the story together as one.

Zion(Tziyon) is like Hebrew equivilent to Dion, which is a varient of Zeus, Mount Zion = Mount Zeus.
 

herushura

Active Member
Yes, except that Isaiah is speaking figuratively, not literally. God as the artist, creating us out of clay/stone/metal/glass/fire/words is an extremely common poetic image in Jewish text.

As is Common in Greek Text, and Egyptian Art too,

I believe this Clay Creation is actually derived from the Kings(God) ordering potters(God) to mould Man(statues) for them, thus litterly a ditto with clay/Earth creation of Man accounts.

Creating Man(Statue) in the Image of God(King),

The Egyptian Pharoahs and Greek Kings were also made into Statues.
Statues = Image of Man created by God(Potters>Ptah>Ju-Ptah>YHVH)
 
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herushura

Active Member
No, it is not -- unless, of course, you think the Shasu spoke Latin. Stop embarrassing yourself with such silliness.

Actually i am referring to King Herod, as King of Judea Province he must of either spoke Aramaic or Hebrew, and he worshipped Yove. What would Yove be, in his Local Language.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Yove-Piter (I am the Father),
IOVPATER (Iou pater; the v would most likely have been pronounced as /w/ in consonantal form and /u/ as a vowel) is a vocative compound from Proto-Indo-European *Dyēu-pəter, meaning "O Father Sky (god)". It does not mean "I am the Father". The e added onto the end is an Anglicisation, so that the "o" is not read like "on" but like the "o_e" in note. Y is from Greek and was not used in Latin until the 1st century BCE to transcribe words of Greek origin.

Mary is a corruption of Ma-Rhea(Mother Rhea), the Mother of God.
Mary comes from Hebrew Miryam, usuually taken to mean "bitterness", "rebellious" or occasionally "wished for child". Not from Ma-Rhea. If you want a probable (but not definite) explanation for the change from Miryam to Mary, then it's something like this:

Most likely, it was transcribed as Mariam and Maria in the NT. Maria became preferential, Maria became pronounced as Mari-e, then through the great vowel shift, the a rose and became more fronted to /æ/, to /ɛ/ to /ɛə/ through the course of the Great Vowel Shift, the "i-e" pronunciation became a monophthong into /iː/. Most likely. It could be different from this, but I've got the spirit of it right. It was from a vowel shift, not Ma-Rhea. :rolleyes:

Zion(Tziyon) is like Hebrew equivilent to Dion, which is a varient of Zeus, Mount Zion = Mount Zeus.
I can play "is like" too! Zeus is similar to moose, and moose is similar to Scots hoose, meaning house. Therefore, Zeus is from modern Scotland.

No, herushura. It doesn't work that way. Pointing out the occasional similarity in words, or even the occasional similarity in roles and mythology doesn't mean they are the same. Trying to force them to be by intellectual dishonesty will get you nowhere.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
I can play "is like" too! Zeus is similar to moose, and moose is similar to Scots hoose, meaning house. Therefore, Zeus is from modern Scotland.
And, of course, YHWH is similar to Highway which points inexorably to Los Angeles - the city of Angels - which, in turn, points back to the West Semitic Divine Council mythology of the land scouted by Caleb (or Calif), predictably anticipating California which, again, brings us to Los Angeles. By Jove, I think I've got it! :yes:
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Is not YHWH/YHVH identical to the roman god YOVE(Jupiter)

The Pharoahs are the Egyptian Conqueres of Caanan, even Israel(and Assyria) provokes the Egyptian god Osiris.


no

the words blithering and some other 5 letterd word come to mind
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Heru-shera now wait a minute. Don't start rambling off about the ancient Egyptian beliefs with no knowledge. What about Osiris?
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
And, of course, YHWH is similar to Highway which points inexorably to Los Angeles - the city of Angels - which, in turn, points back to the West Semitic Divine Council mythology of the land scouted by Caleb (or Calif), predictably anticipating California which, again, brings us to Los Angeles. By Jove, I think I've got it! :yes:
:bow::bow:

The clues are everywhere!


...:D
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
I believe this Clay Creation is actually derived from the Kings(God) ordering potters(God) to mould Man(statues) for them, thus litterly a ditto with clay/Earth creation of Man accounts.

Creating Man(Statue) in the Image of God(King),

The Egyptian Pharoahs and Greek Kings were also made into Statues.
Statues = Image of Man created by God(Potters>Ptah>Ju-Ptah>YHVH)

What evidence do you possibly have for such a statement? Your final statement is so radically, radically ignorant that I don't even know what to say.

Do you understand that you cannot just decide that words are related to one another because you think they might sound similar?

Do you understand that you actually need to understand the languages, cultures, and developments of people and places before you attempt to make sweeping statements about the meaning of their words, theologies, and histories?

The Primary god of King Herod was Yove, if he spoke Hebrew, then what is Yove in Hebrew,

Herod wasn't even Jewish. The Herodian kings were puppets, placed on the throne by Rome. Herod almost certainly spoke Latin for daily use, and Aramaic as well. He may have had some Hebrew, but he doesn't appear to have been much of a scholar, and in those days, Hebrew was the language of prayer and scholarship, not a language of daily use. You really must learn some history.

I indeed believe that Yhwh is a monopolized version of Yove, and certian astrological events that occured must be the reason for this.
1.Comet of Caeser(Whom was one with Jupiter), and likened by the Jews
2.Acronycal Rising of Jupiter(6BC) as the Star of Bethleham spotted by magi(Astrologers)
You are just wrong. The name YHVH predates the name Jove. Rome was not even founded until the 8th century BCE. There is archaeological evidence that Jews were worshipping God using the name YHVH at least as early as 1000 BCE. Do you understand what that means?

Second of all, Jews would not care about the Star of Bethlehem and the magi, nor pay them any attention, because those are elements of Christian mythology.


Al-Aqsa Mosque is the site of the Jupiter temple, and Al-Aqsa Mosque was built using the Stones from the Jupiter temple.
The Temple mount is so called because there was Jewish Temple on it. Jupiter was never, ever worshipped there. The one time that the Greeks attempted to make it into a temple of Zeus, the Jews rebelled and threw off Greek rule, and cleansed the Temple from idolatrous worship: that's how we got the Jewish holiday of Chanukkah. That's how the Maccabees began the Hasmonean kingdom, which fell when Rome forcibly deposed the last of the Hasmonean kings and set up the Herodian puppet kings in their place. Furthermore, when Abdel Malik ibn Marwan built the Dome of the Rock and expanded the Masjid Al-Aqsa, he imported and produced locally the materials for construction, as he deemed that any rubble still remaining from the ruin of the Temple was neither stable enough nor rich and precious enough for his projects. Your arguments bear no resemblance to history or fact. None.

The Zionist at the time of Jesus, were obsessed with Jupiter, they monoplized Jupiter, He became the One and Only God, the OT/NT were the monothesitic manuscripts of jewpiter.
Zionism is a modern political movement. During the time of Jesus, Zionism remained 1800-plus years in the future. Your knowledge of ancient Jewish culture and theology is not merely nonexistant, it is actually in the negative. Do you understand that your false etymology of "jewpiter" is so ignorant that it is a bad joke?

Yove-Piter (I am the Father), Jesus(Originally bacchus) is the son of Jupiter, who is also god of Wine(Wine to Water), who died, and was ressurected.
Are you high?

All Titles to Yhwh are the same as the Title to Yove, the holy Spirit is the consort of Yove aka Juno(or the Dove), Yahovah/Yove/Dove.
WHAT? By the same token, Jesus, if you pronounce it in the Spanish way, is said "heysus," and that breaks down to two parts: hay and sus. Hay is what horses eat, and "sus" is Hebrew for "horse." Coincidence? No, surely that means the Christians-- especially Spanish ones-- worship a horse!

Mary is a corruption of Ma-Rhea(Mother Rhea), the Mother of God.
Mary is from the Latin Maria, which is a Latinization of the Hebrew name Miriam-- or in its older Aramaic fom, Mariam. Your false etymologies are just awful.

Old Testements is a Forgary, that merges greek,egyptian,babylon text together, and creating fake geneologies(Isaac son of Abraham). to connect all the story together as one.
:facepalm:

Zion(Tziyon) is like Hebrew equivilent to Dion, which is a varient of Zeus, Mount Zion = Mount Zeus.
Tzion, from the root tzahah (tzadi-heh-heh), meaning to be illuminated by sunshine. Thus, Har Tzion as a place name means "Mount of the bright sunshine;" although it was also probably a pun on "tzayon," (from the root tzadi-yod-heh), meaning "arid place," and on "tziyun," meaning "a fortress, a place of columns."

It had nothing to do with Zeus. It was called Tzion long before Greeks ever came to the Land of Israel. Alexander conquered the Land of Israel during his wars around 330 BCE, and that was the first coming of the Hellenes to the Land of Israel; the name Tzion had been in use for seven hundred years by that time.


You need to confront the vastness of your ignorance in these matters. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, or even radical opinions. But they need to be educated opinions. Your ignorance transcends being humorous, it is actually painful. Please, please try to educate yourself. Reading something not on the internet might be a start.
 
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Smoke

Done here.
Al-Aqsa Mosque is the site of the Jupiter temple, and Al-Aqsa Mosque was built using the Stones from the Jupiter temple.
That's true, but the temple to Jupiter was constructed under Hadrian in the first century C.E., which is a little too late to claim it was a big influence on Judaism -- not to mention that it outraged the Jews and led to the Bar Kokhba revolt.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Actually i am referring to King Herod, as King of Judea Province he must of either spoke Aramaic or Hebrew, and he worshipped Yove. What would Yove be, in his Local Language.
Hebrew was spoken by few during that time. Herod probably spoke some Aramaic, as it would be necessary, but he most likely spoke Latin.

Also, he was King of the Jews. The Jews being a group of people.

There isn't much evidence thought that Herod was a practicing Jew. There is some evidence that he was ethnically a Jew, as his ancestors did convert to Judaism. But to suggest that he was worshipping Yove, an that Yove was therefore the Jewish God is completely unsubstantiated.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
King Herod was Edomite traditionally, and some Edomites did begin to practice the Jewish religion on some level around that time.
 
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