Judaism: Who wrote it?

[Useless2015]

You have errors on 2 different levels. You aren't doing a very good job of teaching Jews about Judaism when you make basic errors in your assertions.

Your welcome to clarify what you are saying.Would help alot...

 

[paarsurrey]

What logic?
I have never known paarsurrey to be logical on any topic.
And his definition on what is real or authentic is laughable at the best of times.

Did I ever say that logic is 100% correct?
I use reason as far as it is reasonable to use it but I prefer wisdom which is reason +++ and rationality.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

sure. But why trust me? Just read up on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/jews-gods-chosen-people_b_1079821.html
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/jewsaschosenpeople.htm
Does that help?

Please tell us in your own words, with quotations from Moses, if possible. There is no harm in trusting you if you are not wrong.
Regards

 

[rosends]

Please tell us in your own words, if possible, there is no harm in trusting you if you are not wrong.
Regards

so I guess that means that you didn't read the links. OK, so noted.

 

[rosends]

Your welcome to clarify what you are saying.Would help alot...

OK, this was the statement:

"It's a core faith in Judaism to believe that God chose the Jews over non-Jews."

1. You can look up the central points of Judaism -- Maimonides has a handy list. You won't find your statement among them (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/332555/jewish/Maimonides-13-Principles-of-Faith.htm)
2. The teaching in Judaism is that God chose the Jews for certain things, but not "over" anyone else
3. The teaching in Judaism is that God gave his law to the Jews only after he offered it to other peoples.

so level one is the claim about the position of the belief
level two is the content of the belief

Hope that helps.

 

[gnostic]

Did I ever say that logic is 100% correct?
I use reason as far as it is reasonable to use it but I prefer wisdom which is reason +++ and rationality.
Regards

You don't have wisdom too...otherwise you wouldn't have started this stupid topic in the first place.

 

[gnostic]

Please tell us in your own words, if possible, there is no harm in trusting you if you are not wrong.
Regards

What a hypocrite.

You are the one to talk...

In some of the threads, you frequently over copy-and-paste from Wikipedia, without using much of your own words,

And yet when someone provide you with a few selective links, you tell them to "use your own words".

You are such a hypocrite, paarsurrey!

 

[paarsurrey]

You don't have wisdom too...otherwise you wouldn't have started this stupid topic in the first place.

One could enrich Judaism by adding one's wisdom to the quote in OP, which is not mentioned in Torah and Judaism people could not present it when asked. They might need one's support. I will be pleased to see it.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

What a hypocrite.
You are the one to talk...
In some of the threads, you frequently over copy-and-paste from Wikipedia, without using much of your own words,
And yet when someone provide you with a few selective links, you tell them to "use your own words".
You are such a hypocrite, paarsurrey!

I will read them together with his own discourse. You may help him, if he needs your support.
Also please help them in terms of Post #3197 and #3214 .
Regards

 

[rosends]

So in summary, God chose the Jewish people to hold a particular position, be bound to particular obligations, to shoulder particular responsibilities and to perform particular functions. He chose mankind on the whole for other purposes and to be bound by other laws. He chose certain animals to serve particular purposes. For a brief and humorous vision of it, here.

 

[paarsurrey]

So in summary, God chose the Jewish people to hold a particular position, be bound to particular obligations, to shoulder particular responsibilities and to perform particular functions. He chose mankind on the whole for other purposes and to be bound by other laws. He chose certain animals to serve particular purposes. For a brief and humorous vision of it, here.

Please quote from Moses the relevant verse (the strongest one in your opinion) against the following poinst individually:

1. God chose the Jewish people to hold a particular position.
   
2. be bound to particular obligations.
   
3. to shoulder particular responsibilities
   
4. to perform particular functions
5. What purpose did Yahweh's choose/give for the Amalek people?

Regards

 

[rosends]

Please quote from Moses the relevant verse (the strongest one in your opinion) against the following poinst individually:

1. God chose the Jewish people to hold a particular position.
   
2. be bound to particular obligations.
   
3. to shoulder particular responsibilities
   
4. to perform particular functions
5. What purpose did Yahweh's choose/give for the Amalek people?

Regards

1-4 are covered in the first section of the wikipedia page which I gave you. Any reason you refuse to read it?
5 -- some would say as a punishment or a test or a challenge to the faith of the people in the desert.

https://frinkiac.com/?p=meme&q=mosq...ITO+BITES? +MMM-MMM.+SURE+ARE+FUN+TO +SCRATCH.

 

[roger1440]

Please tell us in your own words, with quotations from Moses, if possible. There is no harm in trusting you if you are not wrong.
Regards

"Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness." (Genesis 15:6)
God chose the Jews because the Jews chose God.

 

[Midnight Rain]

" .......You shall not cook a kid in its mother's milk."
Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 14:21,Shemot -Exodus - Chapter 34:26.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9978
And for what purpose?
It cannot be from G-d or Moses.
Regards

Judaism was developed out of ancient semietic religions, most notably from the Canaanites that seems to have heavy influence from the ancient Babylonian religion. At some point it developed a monotheistic tradition and grew from there. More than likely the dietary and other restrictions found in Judaism came from a mixture of common sense, observed effects of danger and superstition.

 

[RedDragon94]

It is the Jews who say that they are the Chosen People. Do they deny it?
Regards

Chosen for what?

 

[paarsurrey]

OK, this was the statement:

"It's a core faith in Judaism to believe that God chose the Jews over non-Jews."

1. You can look up the central points of Judaism -- Maimonides has a handy list. You won't find your statement among them (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/332555/jewish/Maimonides-13-Principles-of-Faith.htm)
2. The teaching in Judaism is that God chose the Jews for certain things, but not "over" anyone else
3. The teaching in Judaism is that God gave his law to the Jews only after he offered it to other peoples.

so level one is the claim about the position of the belief
level two is the content of the belief

Hope that helps.

Point number one.
The link http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/332555/jewish/Maimonides-13-Principles-of-Faith.htm is not written by Moses so it is far from being religion of Moses.
Regards

 

[rosends]

Point number one.
The link http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/332555/jewish/Maimonides-13-Principles-of-Faith.htm is not written by Moses so it is far from being religion of Moses.
Regards

But each of them has a textual source, and they represent Judaism. Are you talking about Judaism or your fantasy of some purely Mosaic covenant taken with the text in a vacuum?

 

[David1967]

" .......You shall not cook a kid in its mother's milk."
Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 14:21,Shemot -Exodus - Chapter 34:26.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9978
And for what purpose?
It cannot be from G-d or Moses.
Regards

Moses was lactose intolerant.

 

[Imaginary_Friends]

I will answer once, just so that third parties will see that your ramblings have simple answers. You will, no doubt, r3egroup and restate, but at that point, I will ignore so as not to add fuel to your dangerous racism. First, the accusation that "Jews collude" is the same historical canard which has led to pogroms, inquisitions and expulsions. You create a "big bad" and decide that it controls the world and that's why you can't get ahead. Odds are, you can't get ahead because you are, personally, inadequate. Granted, I can't be sure, but it takes someone with a pronounced inferiority complex to embrace such a ridiculous conspiracy theory (Jews control the media, the banks and drive US policy...ZOG all the way) and people usually develop incredible inferiority complexes because they are inferior.

Oh brother!

So, to the extent that I understand your insinuation, if I had more household wealth or larger genitalia, I wouldn't be under the opinion that Jews influence American Middle East foreign policy lol?

You do realize with the power of the internet, your Dr. Phil psychoanalysis shtick is outdated now that people can verify findings for themselves? So by your reckoning, Jews can never be racist because anyone who says so must be racist because of their own personal issues lol?

You create a "big bad" and decide that it controls the world and that's why you can't get ahead. Odds are, you can't get ahead because you are, personally, inadequate.

If I failed on my own and blamed others for my troubles.... I'd be a voting for Bernie, all those 1% meanies

So you believe that no civilian should be allowed to own a gun? You should probably review the laws around the world. Start inArgentina.

Not sure if you misunderstood or intentionally conflating my argument. I don't oppose Israel's policies. What I was illustrating was those common sense policies implemented to protect a nations citizenry are considered racist by liberal Jews when implemented in Western countries. So by additionally supporting Israel they are demonstrating they want to protect fellow Jews while endangering Whites, hence = That's Racist!

shhhhttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/w...srael-quietly-aids-syrian-civilians.html?_r=0

So Israel giving food and medical aid to a few hundred Syrians in Syria without permanent residency is the same as Germany bringing in 800k in the heartland of Germany ? Phew...good PR Isabel Kershner lol.

 

[rosends]

Oh brother!

So, to the extent that I understand your insinuation, if I had more household wealth or larger genitalia, I wouldn't be under the opinion that Jews influence American Middle East foreign policy lol?

No, no. Inferiority can be in many areas. You go straight to those two which makes me wonder, though.

You do realize with the power of the internet, your Dr. Phil psychoanalysis shtick is outdated now that people can verify findings for themselves? So by your reckoning, Jews can never be racist because anyone who says so must be racist because of their own personal issues lol?

With the power of the internet, you could have looked up your claims and seen that they were false, but you didn't. There was no psychoanalysis -- there was an obvious claim that the "Jews" control all sorts of things, thus playing the role of victim. If you think someone needs a degree to see that then you have some other challenges up ahead.

Not sure if you misunderstood or intentionally conflating my argument. I don't oppose Israel's policies.

You jump from "Jews" to "Israel." You are the one bringing the two together. This is based on what you wrote.

What I was illustrating was those common sense policies implemented to protect a nations citizenry are considered racist by liberal Jews when implemented in Western countries. So by additionally supporting Israel they are demonstrating they want to protect fellow Jews while endangering Whites, hence = That's Racist!

But those policies are implemented for ALL citizenry, including non Jewish Israeli citizens. By connecting the policies with "Jews" and then distinguishing that group from "whites" you have become the racist. And you also err in assuming that American Jews give the Israeli govt carte blanche in terms of social policies. Since many liberal Jews around the world (including IN ISRAEL) do NOT support Israeli governmental policies, your argument fails again.

So Israel giving food and medical aid to a few hundred Syrians in Syria without permanent residency is the same as Germany bringing in 800k in the heartland of Germany ? Phew...good PR Isabel Kershner lol.

It just proves that your claim was false. You claimed one thing about Israel and I proved your claim false. Now you shift the goal posts to make this a comparison to another country. I guess when you can't win the point you made, run away and make a different one. I also noted that you ignored the mass of other countries who have taken in no refugees. Somehow you have avoided calling them racist and ignored that point in your response. Fascinating.