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The Holy Bottom Burp

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You are wasting your time. She has been shown, several times, how and why rational people adjudge those who stubbornly cling to a discredited belief to be liars, she does not care. You must either find amusement in the paucity of logic and self-contradiction that she offers, or put her on "ignore."
I disagree, I've posted it elsewhere but I find the idea of putting someone on "ignore" because you don't agree with their "world view" to be against the spirit of this forum, or any forum for that matter. You can just choose not to read their posts if you find them irritating, I decided to do that with @Grumpuss several weeks ago for example, I quickly learned she hasn't anything to say worth listening to. However, I'd rather see every degree of opinion here than just the stuff that I agree with. (Have you put me on "ignore" because of this? I don't suppose I'll ever know! Not sure how many people are ignoring me here! :))
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The comment about judgment was not about how you are judged as a person, but the evaluation of your argument - are you persuasive or not. You're a likeable enough person, but your arguments are not judged based on your character or personality, but on their merits.

The evaluation of my arguments are not on the level of a pure academic exercise....they are appeals to the hearts of those who can see with their own eyes the laughable conclusions of those with their noses so far in the academic air, that they are unaware that they are about to step into an abyss.
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I'm trying to help you understand the academic values and methods of processing information that characterize your target audience of skeptics, unbelievers, and rational empiricists. They simply will not be persuaded by an argument that has been refuted in a plausible manner which you then walk away from only to repeat unchanged two weeks later having never acknowledged must less addressed the specific elements of the rebuttal.

I could care less about academic rebuttals. My target audience are not just brains...people have hearts and hearts are stirred by creation. It's how we are designed.....you cannot escape its effect on us.
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Who can honestly say they are not touched emotionally by these pictures? We are designed to live in that world and people's hearts tell them every day that the world we have now is so far away from those images. Please tell us why there is this conundrum....? Can evolution even begin to address all the questions people have in their hearts about why we can't achieve the life we want to live? The Bible answers all those questions....and it offers hope of living in that world in the not too distant future. Will I see any evolutionists living there? I don't think so.
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People stop paying attention to your argument and turn it to trying to understand how the faith based mind works.

If that's not your purpose, you might want to rethink your approach.

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Cast your eyes on the number of views this thread has achieved.....strangely enough, people are still paying attention.....their interest has not waned in the slightest. Obviously there are things on this thread that keep bringing them back. Considering that the same old arguments are rehashed on every other thread on 'creation verses evolution' by you evolutionists, what do you think is holding people's attention here? Could it be that the images are harder to deny than the rhetoric and the academic babble? I would like to think so. My "approach" seems to be doing very nicely, thank you.

Keep "tapping the glass" perhaps the fish are enjoying the wake up.
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I'm more entertained by the illogical arguments you continue to make, that's what keeps bringing me back to this thread.

But you have already decided your position......I have nothing much to say to people who have already killed off the Creator.

I am appealing to the undecided who might just see through the jargon and the unsubstantiated suggestions of science to see how ridiculous it is to believe that creation is an undesigned fluke. A compounding of fortunate accidents.

You are free to believe whatever you like. :)
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I am appealing to the undecided who might just see through the jargon and the unsubstantiated suggestions of science to see how ridiculous it is to believe that creation is an undesigned fluke.

OK. I cannot resist your pretty pictures any more. Obviously, they can only be explained by invoking an intelligent designer. I'm ready to take the plunge into faith and a god belief. I choose Zeus and the Greek pantheon. Hail Zeus! Hail Athena! Hail Apollo!

Why Zeus over Jehovah? The pretty animals and flowers tell us that their creator was an artist. Zeus is the better artist, who, unlike Jehovah, has an arts council in Olympus, the muses. We see Zeus' influence in ancient Greek culture, where sculpture was perfected and architecture taken to new esthetic heights.

Jehovah actually has a commandment in the big ten against a certain type of sculpture. He can't be the designer.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
The evaluation of my arguments are not on the level of a pure academic exercise....they are appeals to the hearts of those who can see with their own eyes the laughable conclusions of those with their noses so far in the academic air, that they are unaware that they are about to step into an abyss.
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I could care less about academic rebuttals. My target audience are not just brains...people have hearts and hearts are stirred by creation. It's how we are designed.....you cannot escape its effect on us.
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Who can honestly say they are not touched emotionally by these pictures? We are designed to live in that world and people's hearts tell them every day that the world we have now is so far away from those images. Please tell us why there is this conundrum....? Can evolution even begin to address all the questions people have in their hearts about why we can't achieve the life we want to live? The Bible answers all those questions....and it offers hope of living in that world in the not too distant future. Will I see any evolutionists living there? I don't think so.
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Cast your eyes on the number of views this thread has achieved.....strangely enough, people are still paying attention.....their interest has not waned in the slightest. Obviously there are things on this thread that keep bringing them back. Considering that the same old arguments are rehashed on every other thread on 'creation verses evolution' by you evolutionists, what do you think is holding people's attention here? Could it be that the images are harder to deny than the rhetoric and the academic babble? I would like to think so. My "approach" seems to be doing very nicely, thank you.

Keep "tapping the glass" perhaps the fish are enjoying the wake up.
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I think you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. We were not designed for this world, we evolved in this world. Yours is the puddle in the pothole error.

Beauty is not an attribute of a thing we find beautiful, it is an attribute of our minds that find it beautiful.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
OK. I cannot resist your pretty pictures any more. Obviously, they can only be explained by invoking an intelligent designer. I'm ready to take the plunge into faith and a god belief. I choose Zeus and the Greek pantheon. Hail Zeus! Hail Athena! Hail Apollo!

Why Zeus over Jehovah? The pretty animals and flowers tell us that their creator was an artist. Zeus is the better artist, who, unlike Jehovah, has an arts council in Olympus, the muses. We see Zeus' influence in ancient Greek culture, where sculpture was perfected and architecture taken to new esthetic heights.

Jehovah actually has a commandment in the big ten against a certain type of sculpture. He can't be the designer.

Duly noted. All the best with your choice. :D


Beauty is not an attribute of a thing we find beautiful, it is an attribute of our minds that find it beautiful.

I wonder where that attribute came from, since it is hardly a survival mechanism. Admiring a landscape, a sunset or a seascape was hardly necessary to contribute to the survival of the human species. In fact, the eyes with which we see all this beauty are a marvel of design all by themselves as well. But without a brain and the ability to interpret the images, wouldn't all this beauty be wasted? Then I guess we have to wonder about our ability to hear birdsong or music or language and the ability to process those. Isn't communication a very complicated process as well.....and we haven't touched on all the other senses and abilities that are being used in the billions of other organisms that share life with us on this planet. They all just happened with no intelligent design or direction of any kind...?

Yep :confused:. I can see how intelligent that assumption is.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
OK. I cannot resist your pretty pictures any more. Obviously, they can only be explained by invoking an intelligent designer. I'm ready to take the plunge into faith and a god belief. I choose Zeus and the Greek pantheon. Hail Zeus! Hail Athena! Hail Apollo!

Why Zeus over Jehovah? The pretty animals and flowers tell us that their creator was an artist. Zeus is the better artist, who, unlike Jehovah, has an arts council in Olympus, the muses. We see Zeus' influence in ancient Greek culture, where sculpture was perfected and architecture taken to new esthetic heights.

Jehovah actually has a commandment in the big ten against a certain type of sculpture. He can't be the designer.
I know this is sarcastic but you actually make a good point. Good choice. :)
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
I wonder where that attribute came from, since it is hardly a survival mechanism.

Yep :confused:. I can see how intelligent that assumption is.



There are people who devote their entire lives to studying and understanding creatures in nature. Are you telling me that you know more than they do? The fact of the matter is that the bright colors are used to attract mates, it is a veritable scientific fact, and you have not spent enough time studying those creatures to give anything except your ignorant opinion on the matter. Now grow up.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
There are people who devote their entire lives to studying and understanding creatures in nature. Are you telling me that you know more than they do? The fact of the matter is that the bright colors are used to attract mates, it is a veritable scientific fact, and you have not spent enough time studying those creatures to give anything except your ignorant opinion on the matter. Now grow up.
I am one of those people and you're correct on all counts.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
There are people who devote their entire lives to studying and understanding creatures in nature. Are you telling me that you know more than they do?

No, I am not....
I am saying that I can make suggestions with no substantiated evidence exactly the same as they do. :D

The fact of the matter is that the bright colors are used to attract mates, it is a veritable scientific fact, and you have not spent enough time studying those creatures to give anything except your ignorant opinion on the matter. Now grow up.

Hilarious!
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The ability to even see color is a complex business. Complexity is the opposite of simplicity. The odds of even a "simple" life form coming into existence by chance is next to zero....no matter how much time you throw at it.

The chances of amoebas morphing into dinosaurs is zilch. Dinosaurs morphing into chickens......? I'll let you be the judge of that. Did you know that you are related to bananas?
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intelligent bananas of course.

Those who support Intelligent Design at least support the use of intelligence in their evaluation of the complexity and design of all life on this planet. You have fallen for the greatest con in the history of the world.....on the level of "the Emperor's new clothes".
Those who support macro-evolution are pressured by the old "you have to be ignorant or stupid to believe in ID".....but they ignore the fact that science has no substantiated, conclusive evidence for their 'beliefs' any more than we do. Every claim they make as "evidence" for macro-evolution (not to be confused with adaptation) is based on something that "might have" or "could have" happened billions of years ago. You do understand that science cannot "prove" that evolution ever took place, don't you? They can make lots of suggestions and assumptions about it, but there is no verifiable proof. The science buffs here have told me that. There is no such thing as "proof" in evolutionary science. How convenient.
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The whole issue then becomes whose "belief system" you want to adopt and the reasons why you make your choice. They reveal a lot about a person...more than you realise. :D
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
No, I am not....
I am saying that I can make suggestions with no substantiated evidence exactly the same as they do. :D
Hardly "exactly the same" I have a lifetime of study and consultation with colleagues and arguments with people like you ... you have what? All you've got is belief in a book that is so full of errors that it can't be taken seriously without outside evidence.
Hilarious!
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The ability to even see color is a complex business. Complexity is the opposite of simplicity. The odds of even a "simple" life form coming into existence by chance is next to zero....no matter how much time you throw at it.
You know nothing of vision, color vision or the evolution of either.
The chances of amoebas morphing into dinosaurs is zilch.
You are the only one making that claim.
Dinosaurs morphing into chickens......? I'll let you be the judge of that.
While better than your previous claim, it still does not wash ... no one is claiming that eiither.
Did you know that you are related to bananas?
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intelligent bananas of course.
Some of us are related to more intelligent bananas than others are
Those who support Intelligent Design at least support the use of intelligence in their evaluation of the complexity and design of all life on this planet.
No, those who support ID are being lied to by people with admitted hidden agendas.
You have fallen for the greatest con in the history of the world.....on the level of "the Emperor's new clothes".
More insulting claims without evidence.
Those who support macro-evolution are pressured by the old "you have to be ignorant or stupid to believe in ID".....
Pressured? Only by an obvious truth.
but they ignore the fact that science has no substantiated, conclusive evidence for their 'beliefs' any more than we do.
Sure we do, you are just self admittingly and proudy ignorant of the evidence.
Every claim they make as "evidence" for macro-evolution (not to be confused with adaptation) is based on something that "might have" or "could have" happened billions of years ago.
No, some flow that way and some flows in the opposite direction. For example the data that clearly shows the chromosomal fusion moving from chip to human.
You do understand that science cannot "prove" that evolution ever took place, don't you?
Science does a much better job of "proving" that evolution takes place then religion does of proving ID, in fact no evidence is ever presented that supports ID after examination.
They can make lots of suggestions and assumptions about it, but there is no verifiable proof.
There is no absolute proof of anything in science, we rely on the absence of falsifiability, but that is a strength, not a weakness. Most of ID is based on logical fallacy and/or fails the test of falsifiability and thus is properly discarded.
The science buffs here have told me that. There is no such thing as "proof" in evolutionary science. How convenient.
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Read above.
The whole issue then becomes whose "belief system" you want to adopt and the reasons why you make your choice. They reveal a lot about a person...more than you realise. :D
No, the whole issue is do you accept that which cannot be falsified or do you believe in that which has been falsified? I choose the former, you choose the latter, we are not on an even playing field.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Hardly "exactly the same" I have a lifetime of study and consultation with colleagues and arguments with people like you ... you have what? All you've got is belief in a book that is so full of errors that it can't be taken seriously without outside evidence.
So you are an expert on the Bible too? What a legend.....
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You know nothing of vision, color vision or the evolution of either.


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You believe that this is just a fluke of nature, requiring no intelligent design at all? This level of complexity needed no designer and no intelligence to produce those cones and rods...or the brain that interprets the images? What level of intelligence does it require to see the design then I wonder? Is it only the humble and uneducated who are granted that 'vision'?
Perhaps it is the position of the nose?
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Some of us are related to more intelligent bananas than others are

Oh, so the Right Royal Banana is your closest ancestor then?
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Obviously in the Banana Hall of Fame?

No, those who support ID are being lied to by people with admitted hidden agendas.

How sinister to believe in an intelligent and ingenious inventor!
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But evolutionary science has no hidden agenda.....?

Pressured? Only by an obvious truth.

Its only obvious to those who believe in it.......or those who can be conned with nothing but suggestion and assumptions.....
The bullying tactics are legendary.
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....who wants to feel like an uneducated moron in the eyes of one's peers?

For example the data that clearly shows the chromosomal fusion moving from chip to human.
Oh no!.....are you suggesting a relationship to potatoes now?
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Science does a much better job of "proving" that evolution takes place then religion does of proving ID, in fact no evidence is ever presented that supports ID after examination.

To whom? As far as I know, we are each preaching to the converted. Those undecided will probably not be impressed by an imagined air of superiority.
That whole "don't you know who I am?" thing is a bit laughable actually.
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There is no absolute proof of anything in science, we rely on the absence of falsifiability, but that is a strength, not a weakness. Most of ID is based on logical fallacy and/or fails the test of falsifiability and thus is properly discarded.

Ah, the old falsifiabilty measure.....?

I found this interesting......

"Falsifiability, as defined by the philosopher, Karl Popper, defines the inherent testability of any scientific hypothesis.....

Science and philosophy have always worked together to try to uncover truths about the world and the universe around us. Both are a necessary element for the advancement of knowledge and the development of human society.

Scientists design experiments and try to obtain results verifying or disproving a hypothesis, but philosophers are the driving force in determining what factors determine the validity of scientific results.

Science and philosophy have always worked together to try to uncover truths about the world and the universe around us. Both are a necessary element for the advancement of knowledge and the development of human society......

The Raven Paradox shows the inherent danger of relying on falsifiability, because very few scientific experiments can measure all of the data, and rely upon generalization.


https://explorable.com/raven-paradox

The fact is, it is not possible to say that an Intelligent Creator doesn't exist just because humans have never seen him. All science can say is that, to their way of evaluating things, there is a possibility that no Creator exists. That is a far cry from making statements that claim there cannot be a Creator. Or that powers can exist that science has not yet discovered. Egg on the face can happen any time in science.
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No, the whole issue is do you accept that which cannot be falsified or do you believe in that which has been falsified? I choose the former, you choose the latter, we are not on an even playing field.

The whole issue as I see it, is that people who are full of their own importance are not in a position to tell others what to believe...especially when creation can be supported if one dispenses with the YEC approach. If in fact, the earth's inhabitants were specifically created in a deliberate fashion over a long period of time, then science cannot disprove any of it.
I believe in an old earth and a long and deliberate process of creation over many millenniums...can science categorically state that it couldn't have happened that way? Given that hypothesis, what part can you disprove?

All that those people with science degrees can say, is that they believe it is unlikely......beliefs are funny things...people can hold them no matter what others with large egos think. Academia is not a place that attracts me at all, possibly because of the people who make it their home and their temple.

I am attracted to the humbler pursuits and those who follow the road less traveled.
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They have a Bible in their hand.

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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Here, in regards to the evolution of eyes: Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia

Logically, based on what we know about the functioning of the human eye, it certainly isn't the best that could have been designed. It has characteristics of being "just enough" but with defects, not "perfection". If directly designed by God, then why wouldn't it be the latter?

"God works in mysterious ways", and I would have to feel that evolution is one of the ways He chose.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
But you have already decided your position......I have nothing much to say to people who have already killed off the Creator.

I am appealing to the undecided who might just see through the jargon and the unsubstantiated suggestions of science to see how ridiculous it is to believe that creation is an undesigned fluke. A compounding of fortunate accidents.

You are free to believe whatever you like. :)
And when the undecided ask "why would this Creator exist to begin with" what do you answer? Did it evolve or was it created or is it just a fluke that it exists? What are they supposed to believe?
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
So you are an expert on the Bible too? What a legend.....
If you say so, but I only claim a solid foundation in the bible, not expert status, in that I am unpublished in that field.

If that is all you know about vision and the eye I stand by my original assessment of your knowledge base.
You believe that this is just a fluke of nature, requiring no intelligent design at all? This level of complexity needed no designer and no intelligence to produce those cones and rods...or the brain that interprets the images? What level of intelligence does it require to see the design then I wonder? Is it only the humble and uneducated who are granted that 'vision'?
Perhaps it is the position of the nose?
The evolution of the eye is not a fluke and is well described in the scientific literature if you care to look it up.
Oh, so the Right Royal Banana is your closest ancestor then? Obviously in the Banana Hall of Fame?
Ancestor? No. Distant cousin, yes.
How sinister to believe in an intelligent and ingenious inventor!
But evolutionary science has no hidden agenda.....?
Evolutional Science has no hidden agenda, all is out in the open, science goes where the data leads. ID's real and intentionally hidden and disguised goals are contained in the Wedge Document, a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the pseudoscientific intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document,which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions." The strategy also aims to affirm what it calls "God's reality." Its goal is to change American culture by shaping public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant, values. The wedge metaphor is attributed to Phillip E. Johnson and depicts a metal wedge splitting a log to represent an aggressive public relations program to create an opening for the supernatural in the public's understanding of science. (thanks wiki)
Its only obvious to those who believe in it.......or those who can be conned with nothing but suggestion and assumptions.....
You needn't be so hard on yourself, just admit your error and we can move on.
The bullying tactics are legendary. ....who wants to feel like an uneducated moron in the eyes of one's peers?
You said yourself that you don't mind doing so.
To whom? As far as I know,
(a distance that can likely be measured in microns)
we are each preaching to the converted.
Speak for yourself please.
Those undecided will probably not be impressed by an imagined air of superiority.
When are you going to start taking your own advice ?
Ah, the old falsifiabilty measure.....?

I found this interesting......

"Falsifiability, as defined by the philosopher, Karl Popper, defines the inherent testability of any scientific hypothesis.....

Science and philosophy have always worked together to try to uncover truths about the world and the universe around us. Both are a necessary element for the advancement of knowledge and the development of human society.

Scientists design experiments and try to obtain results verifying or disproving a hypothesis, but philosophers are the driving force in determining what factors determine the validity of scientific results.

Science and philosophy have always worked together to try to uncover truths about the world and the universe around us. Both are a necessary element for the advancement of knowledge and the development of human society......

The Raven Paradox shows the inherent danger of relying on falsifiability, because very few scientific experiments can measure all of the data, and rely upon generalization.

https://explorable.com/raven-paradox
The Raven Paradox falls apart when Hempel claims that, "ALL ravens are black." The best he could have said is, "Most ravens are black; or all observed ravens were black."

So ... there is no paradox, only bad science.
The fact is, it is not possible to say that an Intelligent Creator doesn't exist just because humans have never seen him. All science can say is that, to their way of evaluating things, there is a possibility that no Creator exists. That is a far cry from making statements that claim there cannot be a Creator. Or that powers can exist that science has not yet discovered. Egg on the face can happen any time in science.
Yes, but the raven egg is on your face, you can not have it both ways.
The whole issue as I see it, is that people who are full of their own importance are not in a position to tell others what to believe...
When are you going to start taking your own advice ?
especially when creation can be supported if one dispenses with the YEC approach. If in fact, the earth's inhabitants were specifically created in a deliberate fashion over a long period of time, then science cannot disprove any of it.
Occums razor and "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," the phrase made popular by Carl Sagan are against you. Also, Laplace wrote: "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness." and David Hume wrote in 1748: "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence", and "No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavors to establish." Marcello Truzzi aldo said "An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof."

The evidence put forth by proponents of such things as gods, ghosts, the paranormal, and UFOs is highly questionable at best and offers little in the way of proof. Even if we accepted what evidence there is as valid (and it is highly debatable if we should), limited and weak evidence is not enough to overcome the extraordinary nature of these claims.

In any case, the concept is central to the scientific method and a key issue for critical thinking, rational thought and skepticism everywhere, even though you claim to know better and be wiser than all the great thinkers mentioned above and even in the face of your inability see the error in the Raven Paradox.
(thanks rationalwiki)
I believe in an old earth and a long and deliberate process of creation over many millenniums...can science categorically state that it couldn't have happened that way? Given that hypothesis, what part can you disprove?
At a minimum, common ancestry, and descent with modification, fly in face of your belief system.
All that those people with science degrees can say, is that they believe it is unlikely......beliefs are funny things...people can hold them no matter what others with large egos think. Academia is not a place that attracts me at all, possibly because of the people who make it their home and their temple.

I am attracted to the humbler pursuits and those who follow the road less traveled.
They have a Bible in their hand.
A bible in your hand, a blindfold over their eyes, and your fingers in your ears .... a prescription for failure!
 

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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Here, in regards to the evolution of eyes: Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia

Logically, based on what we know about the functioning of the human eye, it certainly isn't the best that could have been designed. It has characteristics of being "just enough" but with defects, not "perfection". If directly designed by God, then why wouldn't it be the latter?

Since you were once a teacher of Catholic theology metis, it makes me ask why you haven't taken into consideration the fact that no human is perfect anymore. (Romans 5:12) But having said that, I am left wondering whether "just enough" was how it was meant to be all along. I mean if 20/20 vision is adequate for human beings and the life God intended for them, but not adequate for eagles for example, then are not all things designed for their own existence in their own environment? Don't other senses compensate for any perceived lack in any one of them? How many creatures rely on scent and not sight? On hearing and not sight? All our senses work together, processed in one center.....a miraculous computer, (of varying size) working 24/7 to ensure that all creatures continue to eat, sleep and breathe, with little conscious effort....their hearts beating away and lungs expanding, automatically taking care of oxygenation......enzymes and bacteria taking care of digestion and elimination of waste. How much does science gloss over those amazing mechanisms and treat them like they were all just a gigantic fluke?
I can't do that. I have to give credit where credit is due.
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"God works in mysterious ways", and I would have to feel that evolution is one of the ways He chose.

There is no doubt that adaptation is a wonderful mechanism that ensured that all creatures could adapt to a change of environment or food source, and survive as a species....but that is a far cry from suggesting what macro-evolution is supposed to have done. To imagine that if a little change is proof for small, mostly cosmetic changes over time, that large amounts of time "must have" turned creatures slowly into other creatures with branching and other assorted suggestions, then creating elaborate diagrams to illustrate how it "must have" happened....doesn't make it true.

The thing that most people take for granted is that science has irrefutable proof for what it claims......the hard fact remains....there is no proof and there never was. There is only suggestion and assumption about what "might have" or "could have" happened all those billions of years ago, but its mostly in the evolutionist's imagination. That imagination has led to a pre-conception and an interpretation of evidence that is biased and misleading for the most part. The fossils are only speaking through a biased interpreter. Other evidences are coming through the same filter. Those immersed in it are so brainwashed and ego driven by their own importance in the academic world, that their scenario is more ridiculous than what they think ID supporters are suggesting....all the while pointing fingers and accusing us of being 'brainwashed'. Its actually quite funny.
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I am sure God is amused as well.

The plain fact of the matter is....science has suggestions and assumptions about all of it. It isn't the weight of evidence but the weight of the words of those held in high esteem in scientific circles that leads people off into ditching the Creator. (there is the agenda)
Only childish morons believe in God...right?
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You only have to read the posts of most of the scientists here to see the how much they value their own opinion, and how they despise anyone who disagrees with them or exposes the flaws in their theory. I could care less about their credentials...flash them at someone who is impressed.

IMO, those who believe in direct creation have as much real "evidence" for their 'beliefs' as science does....maybe more. It takes a heart to appreciate them...not just a brain.
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
And when the undecided ask "why would this Creator exist to begin with" what do you answer? Did it evolve or was it created or is it just a fluke that it exists? What are they supposed to believe?

Those questions are based on the assumption that human beings know all there is to know about themselves, about their planet, their existence and about the universe. That could not be further from the truth. We are infants in our present knowledge.

The one thing we do know is, just by the exercise of common sense, that design with purpose requires a designer who understood that purpose and fulfilled it. Even the first humans understood that and acknowledged God's role as their Creator. In their limited knowledge, what good would it have done to provide them with all the technical data when they would not have understood any of it? Humans were designed to learn in an ongoing manner, building a solid knowledge base as time went on, adding to it continually.

Even today, if God provided all the technical stuff, we would still be like babies having a conversation with Einstein on the theory of relativity. One day we may be in a position to assimilate that knowledge, but for now, we will wait and educate ourselves with true science, rather than the speculations of people who think they know everything already.
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Deeje

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And the survival advantage in these stunning blue 'shoes' is obviously.......not camouflage....?

Is it true that 'boobies' are attracted to blue shoes?

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Looks like someone is a rebel.....
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