Just Accidental?

[ImmortalFlame]

Since you're being generous, and since evolution theory explains everything... as you've stated,

Where did they say this?

 

[Profound Realization]

Life arising isn't necessarily determined by chance or without cause.

My response was in regards to "evolution theory."

 

[Profound Realization]

Where did they say this?

#5296.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

My response was in regards to "evolution theory."

Ah, well the same applies there too.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

#5296.

They said it explained "all of them", referring to each of the animal pictures Deeje put up. They didn't say "everything".

 

[Profound Realization]

Ah, well the same applies there too.

True, but when it's claimed that no one on evolution side says it's an accident... that is utterly false.

 

[Profound Realization]

They said it explained "all of them", referring to each of the animal pictures Deeje put up. They didn't say "everything".

All of those animals as in all of them, apply to what was asked.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

True, but when it's claimed that no one on evolution side says it's an accident... that is utterly false.

But it isn't - evolution has both an explanation and a cause. It's no more an "accident" than a breeze pushing a rock down a hill.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

All of those animals as in all of them, apply to what was asked.

Sure, but it doesn't explain literally "everything", I just wanted to make that explicit. Not so much for your sake, but there are a lot of people who keep insisting that evolutionary theory explains things far beyond what it's supposed to, like abiogenesis and even the big bang.

 

[Profound Realization]

Sure, but it doesn't explain literally "everything", I just wanted to make that explicit. Not so much for your sake, but there are a lot of people who keep insisting that evolutionary theory explains things far beyond what it's supposed to, like abiogenesis and even the big bang.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Accident as in,
an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate/intentional cause.

That is not the way that the word is being used. And is the fact that hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water an accident by the definition that you just proposed? If not then abiogenesis is not an accident.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since you're being generous, and since evolution theory explains everything... as you've stated, perhaps you can tell why organisms were/are informed to carry out specific actions/motions. The game of life is to survive and pass on genes, perhaps you can tell where these rules of life came from and what informs organisms as actor's acting this all out.

Evolution theory says it has to be that way, survive and pass on genes....

No, I can't. The question is overly broad. Try again. But thank you for admitting your error.

 

[ArtieE]

Selection comes next, so it's meaningless, the question is how it worked first before being selected?

Think of abiogenesis this way. You have many different atoms. Some atoms are naturally social and like to be with other atoms, some are naturally anti-social. Those who are social combine into molecules like hydrogen and oxygen create a water molecule. Some molecules are naturally social and like to be with other molecules, some are naturally anti-social. Those molecules that are naturally social combine with other molecules they like and form bigger molecules. Now imagine that you have 13.8 billion years, a whole universe full of different atoms and different molecules constantly bumping into each other and an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets. A person would be very brave to claim that at no point in time and at no location in the whole universe could so many different molecules have bumped into each other that the collection got the properties we say a collection would have to have in order for us to call it alive.

 

[FearGod]

No, that was a poorly written post that made no sense as written. There was no explanation.

But I am feeling generous. You made an unsupported and clearly false premise:

"First the organism should work perfectly before being able to survive and to pass the genes
to the next generations, "

There is no reason at all to believe that. If you want to make the claim that life had to be that way the burden of proof is upon you.

If the good genes wasn't available by chance, then how natural selection would make any sense?
the point is how it worked by random and chance before thinking of how the good ones were selected.

 

[Profound Realization]

But it isn't - evolution has both an explanation and a cause. It's no more an "accident" than a breeze pushing a rock down a hill.

Accidents, chance set the processes in motion according to many.

That is not the way that the word is being used. And is the fact that hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water an accident by the definition that you just proposed? If not then abiogenesis is not an accident.

Accidents, chance set the process in motion according to many.

 

[Profound Realization]

No, I can't. The question is overly broad. Try again. But thank you for admitting your error.

Overly broad? Take any organism you'd like and explain. Is 1 organism too broad?

 

[FearGod]

That is not the way that the word is being used. And is the fact that hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water an accident by the definition that you just proposed? If not then abiogenesis is not an accident.

Put oxygen and hydrogen together, will they combine and produce water?
if something has to let them to combine then that is an accident that make water to
exist for a purpose, if you respect science then you won't believe that things will
work by chance and accidents without a good plan and design.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Accidents, chance set the processes in motion according to many.

According to who?

 

[ArtieE]

Put oxygen and hydrogen together, will they combine and produce water?
if something has to let them to combine then that is an accident that make water to
exist for a purpose, if you respect science then you won't believe that things will
work by chance and accidents without a good plan and design.

"Around a black hole 12 billion light years away, there’s an almost unimaginable vapor cloud of water–enough to supply an entire planet’s worth of water for every person on earth, 20,000 times over." ... "The water is in a cloud around a huge black hole that is in the process of sucking in matter and spraying out energy (such an active black hole is called a quasar), and the waves of energy the black hole releases make water by literally knocking hydrogen and oxygen atoms together."
Scientists Discover The Oldest, Largest Body Of Water In Existence–In Space
I think this is amazing enough by itself without the need to claim that a god set it up...

 

[FearGod]

"Around a black hole 12 billion light years away, there’s an almost unimaginable vapor cloud of water–enough to supply an entire planet’s worth of water for every person on earth, 20,000 times over." ... "The water is in a cloud around a huge black hole that is in the process of sucking in matter and spraying out energy (such an active black hole is called a quasar), and the waves of energy the black hole releases make water by literally knocking hydrogen and oxygen atoms together."
Scientists Discover The Oldest, Largest Body Of Water In Existence–In Space
I think this is amazing enough by itself without the need to claim that a god set it up...

And how could you know what is going around there, that spot was there 12 billion light years ago, can you imagine that and can you be sure that it was by an unintentional accident?