Just Addressing Yet Another Absurd, Dishonest Atheistic Argument

[Pudding]

Agnostic weak atheist: Absence of knowledge if gods exist, absence of belief that gods exist, absence of belief that gods don't exist.
Agnostic strong atheist: Absence of knowledge if gods exist, absence of belief that gods exist, presence of belief that gods don't exist.

Weak atheist is generally refer to agnostic atheist, there is no need to add another agnostic to weak atheist.

Agnostic weak atheist says: I don't know and I have no beliefs regarding the existence or non-existence of gods. I have no stance.
Agnostic strong atheist says: I don't know but I believe that gods don't exist and that is my stance.

Stance
The attitude of a person or organization towards something; a standpoint.
synonyms: attitude, stand, point of view, viewpoint, opinion, way of thinking, outlook, standpoint, posture, position, angle, perspective, approach, slant, thinking, line, policy, thoughts, ideas, sentiments, feelings

Stance
a way of thinking about something, especially expressed in a publicly stated opinion


I have explain the definition i use regarding to the word Stance.

I cannot understand why you would say agnostic atheist have no stance.
Please explain what stance you're talking about.

Please explain your definition for Stance and whether you agree with the definition i mention above.

 

[ArtieE]

I cannot understand why you would say agnostic atheist have no stance.

I don't. I say that an agnostic weak atheist has no stance. An agnostic strong atheist does have a stance.

Please explain what stance you're talking about.

Please explain your definition for Stance and whether you agree with the definition i mention above.

A stance is when you have a standpoint. An agnostic weak atheist doesn't have a standpoint on the existence of gods, no knowledge and no beliefs. An agnostic strong atheist doesn't know but has the belief that gods don't exist which is a standpoint.

 

[Pudding]

I don't. I say that an agnostic weak atheist has no stance.

I have already said that weak atheist is generally refer to agnostic atheist, there is no need to add another agnostic to weak atheist.

An agnostic strong atheist does have a stance.A stance is when you have a standpoint. An agnostic weak atheist doesn't have a standpoint on the existence of gods, no knowledge and no beliefs. An agnostic strong atheist doesn't know but has the belief that gods don't exist which is a standpoint.

Position/Stance 1: Do i believe God(s) exist? No.
Position/Stance 2: Do i believe God(s) doesn't exist? No.
Position/Stance 3: Do i believe/know God(s) doesn't exist? Yes.
Position/Stance 4: Do i believe/know God(s) exist? Yes.

Yes correct, an agnostic/gnostic strong atheist does have a stance. They have stance 1 and 3.

Agnostic atheist also have stance, they have stance 1 and 2. They don't have stance 3 and 4.

 

[Pudding]

@ArtieE

Stance
The attitude of a person or organization towards something; a standpoint.
synonyms: attitude, stand, point of view, viewpoint, opinion, way of thinking, outlook, standpoint, posture, position, angle, perspective, approach, slant, thinking, line, policy, thoughts, ideas, sentiments, feelings

Stance
a way of thinking about something, especially expressed in a publicly stated opinion.


Theist: Do you believe Gods exist? Do you believe Gods doesn't exist?

Agnostic atheist: My position/stance/attitude/opinion towards your questions is that no to both.

 

[ArtieE]

Position/Stance 1: Do i believe God(s) exist? No.
Position/Stance 2: Do i believe God(s) doesn't exist? No.
Position/Stance 3: Do i believe/know God(s) doesn't exist? Yes.
Position/Stance 4: Do i believe/know God(s) exist? Yes.

Yes correct, an agnostic/gnostic strong atheist does have a stance. They have stance 1 and 3.

Agnostic atheist also have stance, they have stance 1 and 2. They don't have stance 3 and 4.

Theist: A stance.
Weak atheist: No stance.
Strong atheist: A stance.
Gnostic theist: A stance.
Gnostic atheist: A stance.
Agnostic theist: A stance.
Agnostic weak atheist: No stance.
Agnostic strong atheist: A stance.

 

[Pudding]

Theist: A stance.
Weak atheist: No stance.
Strong atheist: A stance.
Gnostic theist: A stance.
Gnostic atheist: A stance.
Agnostic theist: A stance.
Agnostic weak atheist: No stance.
Agnostic strong atheist: A stance.

This is the third time i say weak atheist is generally refer to agnostic atheist, there is no need to add another "agnostic" to "weak atheist".

Position/Stance 1: Do i believe God(s) exist? No.
Position/Stance 2: Do i believe God(s) doesn't exist? No.
Position/Stance 3: Do i believe/know God(s) doesn't exist? Yes.
Position/Stance 4: Do i believe/know God(s) exist? Yes.

Agnostic atheist have stance 1 and 2.

Agnostic atheist don't have stance 3 and 4.

 

[ArtieE]

Theist: Do you believe Gods exist? Do you believe Gods doesn't exist?

Agnostic atheist: My position/stance/attitude/opinion towards your questions is that no to both.

Agnostic weak atheist: I don't know and I have no beliefs regarding the subject. I have no position/stance/attitude/opinion whether they do exist or don't exist.
Agnostic strong atheist: I don't know but my position/stance/attitude/opinion is that I believe gods don't exist.

 

[Pudding]

@ArtieE

Please provide your definition for agnostic atheist.
Please explain the difference between agnostic atheist and agnostic weak atheist.

 

[ArtieE]

This is the third time i say weak atheist is generally refer to agnostic atheist

When we talk about weak atheists we refer to weak atheists and when we talk about agnostic atheists we refer to agnostic atheists. We don't talk about one and refer to the other. A weak atheist is a person who says "I don't believe" an agnostic is a person who says "I don't know". You don't talk about one of them and then claim you are referring to the other.

 

[ArtieE]

Please explain the difference between agnostic atheist and agnostic weak atheist.

If a person says he's an agnostic atheist you would know that the person doesn't know whether gods exist but you wouldn't know whether that person believes gods don't exist or not. It could be both.

If a person says he's an agnostic weak atheist you would know that the person doesn't know whether gods exist and you would also know that the person neither believes gods exist nor believes gods don't exist.

A person who says "I am an agnostic weak atheist" wants to convey "I don't know and I don't have any beliefs whether gods exist or don't exist" while if a person says "I am an agnostic atheist" he just tells you "I don't know and I don't believe gods exist" but he doesn't tell you whether he actively believes that gods don't exist or not.

An agnostic weak atheist is a kind of agnostic atheist, but an agnostic atheist isn't necessarily an agnostic weak atheist. He could be an agnostic strong atheist. He just doesn't specify which he is.

 

[Pudding]

Agnostic weak atheist: I don't know and I have no beliefs regarding the subject. I have no position/stance/attitude/opinion whether they do exist or don't exist.
Agnostic strong atheist: I don't know but my position/stance/attitude/opinion is that I believe gods don't exist.

Thanks for your explanation, i'm sorry about my misunderstanding about your post.

Position/Stance 1: Do i believe God(s) exist? No.
Position/Stance 2: Do i believe God(s) doesn't exist? No.
Position/Stance 3: Do i believe/know God(s) doesn't exist? Yes.
Position/Stance 4: Do i believe/know God(s) exist? Yes.

The stance you say agnostic weak atheist don't have, is refer to stance 3 and 4. I agree with you about it.

The stance i say agnostic weak atheist have, is refer to stance 1 and 2.

Do you think agnostic weak atheist don't have stance 1 and 2?

 

[ArtieE]

Thanks for your explanation, i'm sorry about my misunderstanding about your post.

Position/Stance 1: Do i believe God(s) exist? No.
Position/Stance 2: Do i believe God(s) doesn't exist? No.
Position/Stance 3: Do i believe/know God(s) doesn't exist? Yes.
Position/Stance 4: Do i believe/know God(s) exist? Yes.

The stance you say agnostic weak atheist don't have, is refer to stance 3 and 4. I agree with you about it.

The stance i say agnostic weak atheist have, is refer to stance 1 and 2.

Do you think agnostic weak atheist don't have stance 1 and 2?

They don't have a stance at all. They haven't taken the stance that God(s) exist and they haven't taken the stance that God(s) don't exist. They are without any stance. They have declined to take a stance. They might say they'll take a stance when and if they feel there's enough evidence either way to justify taking a stance. What you call stance 1 and 2 are not stances at all. They are just the absence of your stances 3 and 4.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Stance
The attitude of a person or organization towards something; a standpoint.

Stance
a way of thinking about something, especially expressed in a publicly stated opinion


Agnostic atheist: Absence of belief gods exist, absence of belief gods don't exist.


Theist say: Do you believe God(s) exist? Do you believe God(s) doesn't exist? What are your stances?

Agnostic atheist say: My stances is that no to both.

There's a stance in agnosticism: that the existence or non-existence of gods is unknowable. Agnosticism isn't just "I don't know."

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't. I say that an agnostic weak atheist has no stance.

Any agnostic has taken a stance: that the existence or non-existence of gods is unknowable.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have already said that weak atheist is generally refer to agnostic atheist, there is no need to add another agnostic to weak atheist.

"Weak atheist" doesn't necessarily imply "agnostic atheist."

Weak atheism is implicit atheism: it's the lack of belief in gods. Maybe they've considered the issue and maybe they haven't.

Agnosticism is an explicit stance. It requires considering the issue and not just finding no answer, but concluding that the answer can't be found.

It's possible to have an agnostic weak atheist, but not all agnostic atheists are weak atheists, and not all weak atheists are agnostic atheists.

 

[Thumper]

Weak atheist is generally refer to agnostic atheist, there is no need to add another agnostic to weak atheist.
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I don't. I say that an agnostic weak atheist has no stance. An agnostic strong atheist does have a stance.A stance is when you have a standpoint. An agnostic weak atheist doesn't have a standpoint on the existence of gods, no knowledge and no beliefs. An agnostic strong atheist doesn't know but has the belief that gods don't exist which is a standpoint.

It always amazes me how a theist can make up all of these categories to try and compartmentalize people. Over and over and over I hear these lame breakdowns.

Atheists can no more be compartmentalized that a-faerists or a-leprechaunists.

It's not what people don't believe in that defines who someone is -- it's what they do believe in.

I, for one, am a Humanists. This means that I believe in the potential for humans to work together to solve our problems without supernatural mumbo-jumbo.

 

[1137]

So idk if I needed it or if I'm stressed or sick or what, but I just slept twenty hours, and lo and behold when I woke up I feel nothing but distaste for arguing with militant atheist fundamentalists. It's basically what happened when I stopped arguing evolution with creationists. Either way, no part of me is even close to responding to the 20+ notifications on this thread.

 

[Curious George]

So idk if I needed it or if I'm stressed or sick or what, but I just slept twenty hours, and lo and behold when I woke up I feel nothing but distaste for arguing with militant atheist fundamentalists. It's basically what happened when I stopped arguing evolution with creationists. Either way, no part of me is even close to responding to the 20+ notifications on this thread.

Lol...I warned you.

 

[ArtieE]

There's a stance in agnosticism: that the existence or non-existence of gods is unknowable. Agnosticism isn't just "I don't know."

An agnostic doesn't know if gods exist or not. That the agnostic may have the stance that the existence or non-existence of gods is unknowable is beside the point. The two stances we are concerned with are the stance "I know gods exist" and "I know gods don't exist" and he has neither of those.

 

[ArtieE]

Any agnostic has taken a stance: that the existence or non-existence of gods is unknowable.

The stances we are concerned with are the stances "gods exist" and "gods don't exist".