Just Addressing Yet Another Absurd, Dishonest Atheistic Argument

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The word you are seeking would be hypocrite or perhaps "stereotyper".

No, I've experienced enough atheists to know them as mean persons who are unable to love their enemies. Indeed, I just watched one of them curse and curse and yell at a preacher in public this afternoon, a preacher who was kindly and gently responding to their questions.

Atheist statements at this forum daily show them intolerant of religious persons, mean and rude. The shoe fits. PROVE ME WRONG BY BEING LOVING TO ME INSTEAD OF IMPLYING I'M THE BAD PERSON HERE. Prove me wrong.

You don't deserve love. You forfeited that with your bigoted comments.

 

[Curious George]

The word you are seeking would be hypocrite or perhaps "stereotyper".

No, I've experienced enough atheists to know them as mean persons who are unable to love their enemies. Indeed, I just watched one of them curse and curse and yell at a preacher in public this afternoon, a preacher who was kindly and gently responding to their questions.

Atheist statements at this forum daily show them intolerant of religious persons, mean and rude. The shoe fits. PROVE ME WRONG BY BEING LOVING TO ME INSTEAD OF IMPLYING I'M THE BAD PERSON HERE. Prove me wrong.

Is it possible your counting the misses and ignoring the hits?

 

[Nakosis]

Good questions. Do you believe I accepted blindly those who told me the authors are trustworthy? I read the Bible (and have read 2/3 or so of the Noble Qu'ran and some of the Book of Mormon). No comparison!

The Bible authors speak of their own faults, failings and hurts--even to their distrust and wavering faith in God. they come off as honest, and all the accusations piled against them (they were in it for the chicks and the cash and the fame) go against their poverty, self-sacrifice and martyrdom.

More importantly, however, Bible prophecy fulfilled proves the accuracy of the scriptures.

Bible prophecy is great, with or without fries!

I've never heard any claim that the authors of Luke, Matthew, John, Mark, who ever they were wrote the gospels for the chicks, cash and fame. Since we don't know who they really were. There's no biography's for these authors. Any claims about their motivations in those regards can be dismissed.

I speak of my own faults, failings, and hurts. I'll make a prediction that you'll respond to my post.

So am I now trustworthy enough to speak for God.

You can look through my posts, probably get a pretty good idea of my motivations and ask me questions. You know way more about me then any biblical author, which really isn't much, and you could still be wrong about my motivations. Yet you are more willing to trust claims about God from folks you know nothing about.

Your certainty is a lie. Your certainty is a feeling nothing more. We all want certainty and "religions", religious leaders understand this and pretend they can provide certainty.

Folks are so desperate to feel certainty that they are willing, you are willing to sacrifice everything for it.

You will go to heaven and have a wonderful time and God will love you so much and you are certain of these things.

It's everything you could wish for. Who needs critical self examination of what we really know as long as you can feel certain?

Look, I can't make you question your feelings but facts don't care about your feelings. They certainly don't care about my feelings.

You are willing to sacrifice everything for you beliefs except perhaps your feeling of certainty.

As an atheist I have sacrificed my feeling of certainty. I am willing to admit, there's a lot of damn things I don't know.

If you want to sacrifice your life, your family so you can feel certain about your beliefs I can't stop you. I can however suggest prior to these great sacrifices you are willing to give so you can feel certain that God loves you, that you sacrifice your feeling of certainty.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You have enemies because you do the wrong thing. You recently reported that "A Christian loves their enemies. The atheist is unable, literally unable to do so. It proves the difference in spirit." You became irrelevant at that moment. People like you have been demeaning people like mine for millennia. What you are calling persecution is a response to persecution.

Let's take a look at that from what you call holy scripture

[1] "The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good" - Psalm 14:1

[2] "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, and all and the enemy of a good god." - Revelation 21:8

[3]"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"- 2 Corinthians 6:14

[4] Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ." - 1 John 2:22

[5] "Whoever is not with me is against me" - Luke 11:23

Altogether, this "holiness" manages to describe unbelievers as corrupt, vile, wicked, abominable, godless vessels of darkness in the service of evil, not one of whom does any good, to be shunned, and all of whom are fit to be burned alive forever as enemies of a good god and the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers.

That's hate speech, and it has consequences for your targets:

[6] Poster: "Godless atheists threaten Christian America" http://0.tqn.com/d/atheism/1/7/U/2/3/The-Atheist-e.jpg


[7] Billboard: "Attention lunatic atheists and their lawyers. Anti-God is anti-American. Anti-American is treason. Traitors lead to civil war" https://blueollie.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/christian-billboard-one.jpg

And here is more:

[8] "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."- American President George H. W. Bush

[9] "Settle it therefore in your minds, as a maxim never to be effaced or forgotten, that atheism is an inhuman, bloody, ferocious system, equally hostile to every useful restraint and to every virtuous affection; that, leaving nothing above us to excite awe, nor round us to awaken tenderness, it wages war with heaven and with earth: its first object is to dethrone God, its next to destroy man." - Rev. Robert Hall

And the consequences of all of this?

NEW REPORT CASTS ATHEISTS AS "OTHERS" BEYOND MORALITY AND COMMUNITY IN AMERI
Freethought Association eNews

"Atheists have become the ultimate scapegoats in our culture... but the news isn't all bad! A new study by the University of Minnesota Department of Sociology has found that Americans perceive Atheists as the group least likely to embrace common values and a shared vision of society. Worse yet, Atheists are identified as the cohort other Americans do not want to see their offspring marrying!

[snip]

"Researchers concluded: "Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry." Disturbingly, Atheists are "seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public," despite being only 3% of the U.S. population according to Dr. Edgell, associate sociology professor and the lead researcher in the project."

So climb down from your cross. You are the perp, not the victim. The response to your church is just and justified. There is no reason for atheists to sit for such hate speech.

Will you address this this time, or just snipe and run and hide again as you did before?

Let's take a look at one example you cited: "The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good".

Are you unaware that the line includes the words THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD? Every person in the world is a sinner needing redemption, except Jesus, who offers redemption, the perfect for the imperfect. There are other statements apart from that Psalm using that language if you want to see them. The Romans echo of this quotation asks if we Christians "are better then they? Not at all, for all are sinners, whether Jews or Gentiles, there is no one who does good..."

How is it hate speech for Bible writers to say you, me and THEY all do vile deeds?

 

[BilliardsBall]

But as I pointed out, you started by implying all atheists are bad people, which you continue to do even in this post. As an atheistic Humanist, I most wholeheartedly take offense to such demeaning characterizations of an entire group of fellow humans. And the correct word would be bigot.

All atheists are bad people. All Christians are bad people. All people feel they are "good" and all do wicked things.

You've done things you know were wrong, you've sinned against the prompting of your conscience. You cannot stand before God and say, "I did so much good I can go to Heaven and not ruin the place."

I'd ruin Heaven if I was there now, because the first time I hurt someone, it wouldn't be Heaven for them. We all need Christ.

 

[Thumper]

Let's take a look at one example you cited: "The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good".
....

Matthew 5:22 - "whosoever shall. say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

 

[BilliardsBall]

Matthew 5:22 - "whosoever shall. say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

You must have quoted the Book of Context, for that's where this quote is out of.

 

[Thumper]

All atheists are bad people. All Christians are bad people. All people feel they are "good" and all do wicked things.

You've done things you know were wrong, you've sinned against the prompting of your conscience. You cannot stand before God and say, "I did so much good I can go to Heaven and not ruin the place."

I'd ruin Heaven if I was there now, because the first time I hurt someone, it wouldn't be Heaven for them. We all need Christ.

What a horrid world view you have.

 

[Thumper]

You must have quoted the Book of Context, for that's where this quote is out of.

I cited the reference so that anybody who chooses can go look at the context themselves.

Your reference was not cited, but it came from the book of Psalms. Shall I quote some more of that wonderful book -- Psalms 137:9 for example?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Let's take a look at one example you cited: "The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good".

Are you unaware that the line includes the words THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD? Every person in the world is a sinner needing redemption, except Jesus, who offers redemption, the perfect for the imperfect. There are other statements apart from that Psalm using that language if you want to see them. The Romans echo of this quotation asks if we Christians "are better then they? Not at all, for all are sinners, whether Jews or Gentiles, there is no one who does good..."

How is it hate speech for Bible writers to say you, me and THEY all do vile deeds?

Of course it's hate speech. Nothing you wrote changes that. Substitute Jew or African-American.

"The Jew is corrupt, their deeds vile"

"But the fearful, and Jews, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, and all and the enemy of a good god."

"Do not be yoked together with Jews. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"-

"Who is the liar? It is the Jew who denies that Jesus is the Christ."

"The Jew is against me"

Good choice on your part to ignore the whole rest of the argument, focus on only one of five scriptures, and only the part that you think doesn't single out atheists. You have no defense for the rest of the argument.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Atheist statements at this forum daily show them intolerant of religious persons, mean and rude. The shoe fits. PROVE ME WRONG BY BEING LOVING TO ME INSTEAD OF IMPLYING I'M THE BAD PERSON HERE. Prove me wrong.

You don't want atheists to be loving; you want atheists to be saps.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Perhaps you truly haven't known "enough" of them yet.

Go ahead and post here an example, then, of an atheist who gave his life for his enemies, told his enemies how he loved them, etc.

I know too many atheists.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

All atheists are bad people. All Christians are bad people.

Now you're back-peddling. Your earlier comments did not include Christians. It was pure atheophobic bigotry regarding what Christians but no atheist could do regarding human interactions.

Are you beginning to feel any shame or remorse for your comments? I doubt it. You're a died-in-the-wool atheophobe.

 

[BilliardsBall]

And failed biblical prophecy "proves" the opposite.

Post a failed example and let's discuss it. Hint: There are two comings of Christ. He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies in His first advent, more are yet to be fulfilled.

PS. Again, unless you show me a timeline on a failed prophecy...

 

[BilliardsBall]

Please stop with this insincere religious nonsense. You don't love me, and I don't love you.



I don't really care about your hateful theology.

No, I do love you. But I have become your enemy because I tell you the truth? I hope not.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You don't deserve love. You forfeited that with your bigoted comments.

I didn't ask you if I deserve love--but neither of us do. Yet we have it through the death and atonement of Christ, wonderfully.

PS. Since all atheists (on this forum, anyway) condemn the righteous without just cause, my comments are truthful, not bigoted.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

All atheists are bad people. All Christians are bad people. All people feel they are "good" and all do wicked things.

If this is really what you believe, then I have pity for you.

... and that stopping your religion from spreading any more is a worthwhile goal.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Is it possible your counting the misses and ignoring the hits?

Possible, but seems at this point highly statistically unlikely.

Remember, there are atheists and then there are atheists (forum posting atheists). It's the atheists who are unaccountably rude. Well, not unaccountably. It's a spiritual "off ness". No offense meant, by the way.

 

[viole]

You don't have the same definition of death that I do. Jesus died and rose. Anyone who makes a counterclaim to this Bible statement is being dishonest. Scholars, atheist and Christian alike, have recognized for millennia that the Bible claim is the Christ died and rose.

You don't need to be a scholar. It is obvious that this is the claim.

So, did He die and rose for me? Is that really a bid deal?

If I would be able to rose, I would die and rose for anyone. Anytime. Much more difficult to do that if the rising after the weekend scenario is uncertain.

So, who is more worthy of admiration? Someone who dies knowing in advance that he will rise in full glory as the Master of the Universe, or someone who dies, say for his country, and stays dead?

You ARE worthy of love. But you are mean to religious persons on this forum. You ARE worthy of love, but you disdain believers here and do not show them love. THEY are worthy of love, yours, too.

But I EXPECT nonbelievers to treat believers like garbage in many cases.

I am not mean. I love the believer, but I hate the belief. A bit like God with sinners and sin.

Well, I don't hate it really. Sometimes i think it is a tad funny.

Ciao

- viole

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, I do love you.

I don't believe you. Your behaviour in this thread has not been indicative of love.