Just Addressing Yet Another Absurd, Dishonest Atheistic Argument

[BilliardsBall]

You're putting the cart before the horse: first establish that these people exist.

You really don't know that Muslims in Africa are justifying raping and murdering Christians because they are Qu'ranic infidels and subjugated?

At what point do you not know key facts and when are you pretending not to know important things?

 

[BilliardsBall]

By showing them compassion, kindness and understanding.

None of those are love. You don't understand. Jesus gives power that someone can feel true love and even the desire to lay down one's life for one's enemies.

Richard Wurmbrand had a former Nazi in his home who spoke of redemption. Wurmbrand promised that his wife, who'd excused herself from the meal, claiming illness, was praying--the Nazi had killed her parents in the war. There was love, forgiveness and salvation that night.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Specifics, please.

When you say that you've been "mistreated and persecuted" for "taking a stand for Christ in the workplace and in academics," I get the impression of a god-botherer who feels hard done by because he was told to behave professionally and not use his coworkers or classmates as an unwilling mission field.

First one that comes to mind . . . giving an extraordinarily detailed answer on an essay in a Religion class and earning a "D", while seeing what poor answers friends guessed at who earned A's. Talking with the professor after, calmly, and having him yell at me in private and say I'm an idiot for believing in the God he grew up with but abandoned.

Going from a zealous Jew who would only marry within my religion to a preacher of Christianity and having my Jewish "friends" threaten me with baseball bats and other weapons and make crank calls to my home . . .

I don't appreciate your assumptions.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You can take that up with God at a later date. He's the one who put them in place.

"New Living Translation
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God."
Romans 13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Now there's a circular argument for you -- "Sure, atheist leaders are pieces of garbage, but it's God's fault for kindly allowing atheists to have an equal seat at the power table."

That's messed up, dude!

 

[Curious George]

None of those are love. You don't understand. Jesus gives power that someone can feel true love and even the desire to lay down one's life for one's enemies.

Richard Wurmbrand had a former Nazi in his home who spoke of redemption. Wurmbrand promised that his wife, who'd excused herself from the meal, claiming illness, was praying--the Nazi had killed her parents in the war. There was love, forgiveness and salvation that night.

I'm sorry you don't see my "love" as true love. That's okay. You asked, I shared. Cheers.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

First one that comes to mind . . . giving an extraordinarily detailed answer on an essay in a Religion class and earning a "D", while seeing what poor answers friends guessed at who earned A's. Talking with the professor after, calmly, and having him yell at me in private and say I'm an idiot for believing in the God he grew up with but abandoned.

Somehow, I get the impression that there's more to this story. Is that literally what he said, or are you making inferences about his intent?

So - you claim - a non-believing professor discriminated against you by giving you a low mark because of your religious beliefs. What did you do about it?

No chance that you earned your mark, is there?

Going from a zealous Jew who would only marry within my religion to a preacher of Christianity and having my Jewish "friends" threaten me with baseball bats and other weapons and make crank calls to my home . . .

Again, I get the impression that there's more to this story.

I don't appreciate your assumptions.

You've given me no reason to expect better from you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Now there's a circular argument for you -- "Sure, atheist leaders are pieces of garbage, but it's God's fault for kindly allowing atheists to have an equal seat at the power table."

That's messed up, dude!

Hey - it's your Bible.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Let me help, then:

1. All people are sinners.

2. Atheists tend to be particularly degenerate sinners. After all, you disobey most of the ten commandments and etc.

Unshared premises.

You need to begin at a place where we agree, and proceed from there using valid argumentation, or your words are without value to me. When you assume gods and sin, I stop reading.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

By taking a stand for Christ in the workplace and in academics, I've been mistreated and persecuted. I've been assaulted for preaching the gospel, and threatened with violence more than once.

I've seen your approach. You're offensive. You're a bigot. Of course people will turn on you just as they have done here.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

On what basis do you believe hate speech is wrong?

Really?

 

[paarsurrey]

What does your question even mean?
Are you really asking me to prove that I find no reason to believe that god(s) exist because I see no evidence for any god(s)?
Is that really what you're asking for?

One does not believe in God/s, and nobody forces one to believe in Him. One should have no interest in demanding believers the evidence for God, and one should have no interest in proving others wrong, necessarily and essentially.
When one puts the label of Atheism on one, affirms to it, and goes further to defend it that means one is has the positive evidence of one's "no-god" position non/position.
Regards

 

[Thumper]

One does not believe in God/s, and nobody forces one to believe in Him. One should have no interest in demanding believers the evidence for God, and one should have no interest in proving others wrong, necessarily and essentially.
When one puts the label of Atheism on one, affirms to it, and goes further to defend it that means one is has the positive evidence of one's "no-god" position non/position.
Regards

I don't care what you believe. You can nail a chicken to your bedpost and dance around it naked for all I care.

I don't demand evidence for your god or anybody else's, unless you want me to believe that your god is more than made up bull.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'm sorry you don't see my "love" as true love. That's okay. You asked, I shared. Cheers.

I see the dictionary. Caring for an enemy (rescuing them from drowning) is not loving an enemy (giving them your place on the life raft).

 

[BilliardsBall]

Somehow, I get the impression that there's more to this story. Is that literally what he said, or are you making inferences about his intent?

So - you claim - a non-believing professor discriminated against you by giving you a low mark because of your religious beliefs. What did you do about it?

No chance that you earned your mark, is there?


Again, I get the impression that there's more to this story.


You've given me no reason to expect better from you.

I can tell you about the content of the essay because I still remember it. I can tell you more about the persecution but you are at this point calling me dishonest.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Hey - it's your Bible.

No, it's your conundrum. You are both admitting atheist totalitarians are awful and then pinning the blame for all on God--which is like accusing God of making atheism itself, which is ridiculous on its face.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Unshared premises.

You need to begin at a place where we agree, and proceed from there using valid argumentation, or your words are without value to me. When you assume gods and sin, I stop reading.

Will you stop reading if I assume "wrong and right" instead? Because you have no objective standard underlying these concepts as an atheist.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I've seen your approach. You're offensive. You're a bigot. Of course people will turn on you just as they have done here.

I'm not bigoted regarding atheists and persecutors, but rather, I'm a realist.

The gospel is offensive. Do you want me to offend you out of a fiery furnace or wish you well inside?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Really?

Really--you are defaming the Bible, saying it's hate speech--Jesus says "I love you" and dies on the cross, so calling that hate speech shows you don't understand what hate speech is.

But at this point, I see you have wrong and right switched around in general.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I can tell you about the content of the essay because I still remember it. I can tell you more about the persecution but you are at this point calling me dishonest.

I'm not calling you dishonest; I'm saying that I suspect you're being dishonest.

I'm also open to the possibility that your story is sincere, but skewed. Or maybe it really did happen the way you described, despite the red flags that suggest otherwise.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, it's your conundrum. You are both admitting atheist totalitarians are awful and then pinning the blame for all on God--which is like accusing God of making atheism itself, which is ridiculous on its face.

Totalitarians of any belief are awful. And the Bible says that all of them are in power because they've been appointed by God.

If the Bible implies that God created atheism, this would be ridiculous... but it would be more of a problem for Bible-believers than for atheists. The atheists aren't the ones who have to accept the ridiculous implication.