Just Believe

[Brian2]

But what about the scriptures of other religions? What is it about yours that makes it better evidence than theirs?

One thing would be that they are historically based and give hundreds of prophecies that have come to pass and continue to come to pass.

 

[nPeace]

That has as much evidence as Mohammed having flown to heaven on a winged horse. Nothing more than nice stories written in a book. With as much evidence as wood kids growing a nose when they lie, like in Pinocchio. Beliefs that now belong to the infancy of the human race.

Time to grow up and recognise what all those claims are about. Human myths, or just simple fiction. Believed only by people who do not have what it takes to realise the reality that we are destined to eternal oblivion, exactly at the time that machine between our ears stops working.

Ciao

- viole

Seems many people are seriously hung up on books. Where did the OP even mention a book?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Our genetic code's creator has left this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying to me the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. Based on this signal of intelligence left in our genetic code, I suspect our genetic coding was created by a greater intelligence beyond the limited scope of us humans on Earth.


The 3 main words (God, the heaven, the earth) in Hebrew have a gematria numeric value of 777 (111x7), ". which is divisible by 37.

The numeric value of the entire verse is 2701 which is divisible by 37.

We may now proceed to finding the number 37 interlaced in the first verse of the Bible. We can do this by discovering words or groups of words with number values evenly divisible by 37, e.g. the 3 main words (“God” + ”the heaven” + ”the earth” = 777 = 21x37), the 5 first words (“In the beginning” + “created” + “God” + “*” + “the heaven” = 1998 = 54x37), or the last two words separately (“and” = 407 = 11x37 and “the earth” = 296 = 8x37)

 

[nPeace]

As you defined it in your OP.

Having evidence? Well that's not what you said. Maybe I read it wrong. I'll look again.

 

[Rival]

To me, that's like one standing on the edge of a mountain, without any glider, singing, "I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I dream about it every night and day. Spread my wings and fly away."

This.

 

[Revoltingest]

First, recognize that you have no evidence whatever that God does not exist. So your incredulity is an unsupportable bias. And given that the lack of evidence is equal, either way, you are logically being afforded a choice. Just pick one and see if it works for you. If not, pick another.

Have you tried jumping off that cliff to test if God will save you?

 

[Nakosis]

I just can't believe it.
How does a person believe in something for which they have no evidence?
How can one just believe in a god, when they have absolutely no evidence?
I don't get it.
To me, that's like one standing on the edge of a mountain, without any glider, singing, "I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I dream about it every night and day. Spread my wings and fly away."

Then jumps.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. SPLAT

Is that not idiotic?
That's not faith either. It's stupidity, imo.
The Bible does not even support such an absurd idea.
If Jesus just wanted people to have faith without evidence, he would have simply walked around; looked people in the face; smiled, and said, "Hey. I'm the Messiah. Believe it. "

However, Jesus performed great signs, and used the scriptures to teach with authority, giving people evidence - reason to believe, and exercise faith. Is that not so?
So can someone help me out here. How does a person believe in a god, without evidence? I know there are quite a number of those who call themselves Christians, who think this way. Blind faith, they call it.

So where are the great signs being preformed by Christians today?

Claims of someone else having had preformed great signs is not evidence.
Evidence is where you can take something hand it off to anyone with no previous expectation of what the evidence points to and this other person comes up with the same conclusion.

 

[Windwalker]

I would expect many people would agree with the OP. People, in general, who do not accept their obvious destiny of eternal oblivion. And because of that, they make up things that would avoid that destiny.

I can hear a fervent believer in God saying those exact same words to the atheist.

 

[PureX]

The evidence that God does not exist is that there is no evidence that He does.
Where's the beef? Anecdotes, feelings, unsupported claims, uncorroborated ancient tales do not cut it.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of anything unless one can logically expect to obtain identifiable evidence. What identifiable evidence are you expecting that you are not finding?

 

[viole]

I can hear a fervent believer in God saying those exact same words to the atheist.

OK. And?

People believing in a flat earth, for instance, are also quite fervent. And?

Should I say: well, with all due respect, and with full recognition of your evidence and sound reasoning that led you to believe in a flat earth, but I respectufully disagree?

Really?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Windwalker]

Faith is good even if the reasons for it are not necessarily intellectual for some people.

Can you elaborate why you say faith is good for people?

Also, how do you see the role of faith when we see people refusing to accept solid evidence that happens to challenge or run contrary to their beliefs about one thing or another? Do you see a difference between one's faith and their beliefs? Can a believer in God change their beliefs, and still be said to be being true to faith itself? Or if they do change their beliefs, do you see that as the same as losing one's faith?

 

[viole]

Seems many people are seriously hung up on books. Where did the OP even mention a book?

Well, you mentioned your Jesus miracles. Whose only evidence is in a book. Like noses getting longer is also only in a book.
Do you have something more than that?

Ciao

- viole

 

[PureX]

But what about the scriptures of other religions? What is it about yours that makes it better evidence than theirs?

What does man's religious scripture have to do with whether or not God exists?

 

[Windwalker]

OK. And?

People believing in a flat earth, for instance, are also quite fervent. And?

Should I say: well, with all due respect, and with full recognition of your evidence and sound reasoning that led you to believe in a flat earth, but I respectufully disagree?

Really?

Ciao

- viole

What you said originally, "People, in general, who do not accept their obvious destiny of eternal oblivion. And because of that, they make up things that would avoid that destiny," sounds exactly like the words I've heard from Christian apologists, only with atheists as the subject.

Let's take your words and I'll substitute the subject being spoken about, and see if this sounds like the Christian commenting about how blind the unbeliever is?

"[Atheists], in general, who do not accept their obvious destiny of eternal [judgment]. And because of that, they make up things that would avoid that destiny [such as denying God exists]."​

What is obvious to you, that God does not exist, is equally if not more obvious to the believer that God does exist. You both see your beliefs as obvious and absolute. Aren't these just flipsides of the same coin?

 

[PureX]

Can you elaborate why you say faith is good for people?

Also, how do you see the role of faith when we see people refusing to accept solid evidence that happens to challenge or run contrary to their beliefs about one thing or another? Do you see a difference between one's faith and their beliefs? Can a believer in God change their beliefs, and still be said to be being true to faith itself? Or if they do change their beliefs, do you see that as the same as losing one's faith?

An excellent set of questions. Because to answer them, we will need to recognize the differences between faith and belief, and actuality and ideation. (Between God and religion.)

 

[nPeace]

I would expect many people would agree with the OP. People, in general, who do not accept their obvious destiny of eternal oblivion. And because of that, they make up things that would avoid that destiny.

Ciao

- viole

Make up things that would avoid a destiny that is unavoidable?

Boy. You do hear some weird things on these forums.

 

[PureX]

Have you tried jumping off that cliff to test if God will save you?

I have no reason to think God would save me in that situation whether God exists or not. Which is why that analogy is stupid.

 

[Suave]

Our genetic code's creator has left this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying to me the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. Based on this signal of intelligence left in our genetic code, I suspect our genetic coding was created by a greater intelligence beyond the limited scope of us humans on Earth.


The 3 main words (God, the heaven, the earth) in Hebrew have a gematria numeric value of 777 (111x7), ". which is divisible by 37.

The numeric value of the entire verse is 2701 which is divisible by 37.

We may now proceed to finding the number 37 interlaced in the first verse of the Bible. We can do this by discovering words or groups of words with number values evenly divisible by 37, e.g. the 3 main words (“God” + ”the heaven” + ”the earth” = 777 = 21x37), the 5 first words (“In the beginning” + “created” + “God” + “*” + “the heaven” = 1998 = 54x37), or the last two words separately (“and” = 407 = 11x37 and “the earth” = 296 = 8x37)

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You shall have no gods before life's creator, the creator of the heavens and Earth.

 

[firedragon]

However, Jesus performed great signs,

What "evidence" do you have for this claim?

 

[nPeace]

No theist comes to a rational and objective conclusion a God exists via facts and data. Theists end up believing in whatever religious framework they due because they were exposed to it in their social experience and adopted it. Much of this is a result of how the human brain evolved to belong and conform to group norms. This helped humans survive in our early evolution, and this trait is left over. We are very triable and we tie personal meaning to the beliefs of our tribes.

The mistake I see many theists make is that their beliefs are rational and deliberate.

Evidently you are speaking for yourself.
However, I am glad you joined us, since I had you in mind.

You identify as Buddhist, so you believe in a god (I assume), but don't think you have a rational reason for doing so.

I'm trying to understand how people can believe in something they have no evidence for believing... especially a god, without accepting being irrational.
Do you think you are rational to believe in a god, and why do you do so, while admitting that it's irrational?