Just Putting Things in Perspective....

[Shadow Wolf]

.if we have evolved like all the other creatures on this planet, then why are we, as the last to appear,

We aren't the last to appear. And clearly we didn't evolve like all other creatures. We all evolved to suit our environment, but that's about it.

more advanced than any of the creatures who have been around for millions of years longer than we have?

There aren't many that have been around for millions of years. Alligators have, and they are highly advanced when it comes to being an apex predator. They even kill us on occasion. They are stealthy, and have lethal speed when ambushing prey from the water, and extremely powerful jaws to make escape nearly impossible. They are very good at what they do, and for this reason have been around for millions of years and have become known as "living fossils."

how does that make any of these older life forms anywhere close to our equals?

We are superb long-distance runners, and have exceptional intelligence (as far as we know). But we aren't the strongest, we have no claws, our teeth aren't very impressive, we have no fur to keep us warm, and when it comes to running short distances so many other animals leave us miserably behind. Really, we're fortunate to be descended from an ancient "handy man" who began using tools before others, a feature that has driven our evolution ever since (and since it has passed to other ape species).

 

[Deeje]

What makes you think that we are "more advanced"?

I don't know....what could it possibly be?

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I could go on and on......

We only beat other creatures in one small area.

I give up.....what "one small area" would that be, since we seem to beat them hands down on just about everything?

Please keep in mind also that we are not 'programmed' like other creatures on this planet. We plan and then carry out what we have formulated in our imagination. Instinct plays little part in what we accomplish. We alone deliberately formulate actions of our own free will after deciding where an action may take us based on a perceived outcome. What animals can do that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know....what could it possibly be?

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I could go on and on......




I give up.....what "one small area" would that be, since we seem to beat them hands down on just about everything?

Please keep in mind also that we are not 'programmed' like other creatures on this planet. We plan and then carry out what we have formulated in our imagination. Instinct plays little part in what we accomplish. We alone deliberately formulate actions of our own free will after deciding where an action my take us based on a perceived outcome. What animals can do that?

So you only have your bias to support your claim.

Why not show a lion tearing up a person? Or a cheetah making Usain Bolt look ridiculous? Or an elephant lifting more than ten times what a human could?

Yes, we are more intelligent than other animals, but that is about it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Delusional statements? I think its just plain logic. I can assert whatever I like....and you are free to provide whatever information you believe is relevant to this thread. Why are you whining?

Question too hard? No science to draw on? What?

Deeje, you have bias, not logic.

I think you need to think up a more "scientific" answer. If science is so clever, why are these questions unanswerable?

Should the world's leader in all advancement among humanity be stumped by the simple questions? Where did it all come from?

We have a simple answer....science has none. Annoying, isn't it.

Inane questions are always unanswerable. Science answers intelligent questions. And what "simple questions"? You posted a nonsensical question, that is all.

 

[Darkstorn]

Delusional statements? I think its just plain logic. I can assert whatever I like....and you are free to provide whatever information you believe is relevant to this thread. Why are you whining?

Question too hard? No science to draw on? What?

How exactly does this counter my only claim: That you are failing to support something you asserted. Specifically, you are asserting truth. THAT demands evidence from you. Well, okay, let's be fair: It doesn't demand ANYTHING from you.

But i would imagine you yourself would benefit from a better argument and more acceptance from those you are arguing with. Good way to begin: Either stop asserting random stupid crap without supporting it, or use evidence.

I'm simply making the claim that you're a damn lazy debater. And you are proving my point.

"The truth is, we have no equals here on this planet."

Still remains unsupported. It still remains random stupid crap. Sorry.

I think you need to think up a more "scientific" answer. If science is so clever, why are these questions unanswerable?

They aren't unanswerable at all, you just won't accept any answer except one. And you don't sound very clever making another argument from incredulity.

Should the world's leader in all advancement among humanity be stumped by the simple questions? Where did it all come from?

I fail to see how your thread answers that question. This isn't about how life began at all: This thread is about you making an argument from incredulity. Essentially, you look at internet pictures "critically" and come to the conclusion that there cannot be a non-supernatural explanation. Fair enough. But what other means of deduction are you using than just your eyes? I just fail to see how it's logical to make any reasonable judgement based on internet pictures. You seem to think posting internet pictures and saying "how is this possible without divine intervention" is a legitimate form of argument.

And i'm saying it's a lazy form of argument.

We have a simple answer....science has none. Annoying, isn't it.

I find only your behavior and dishonesty in an argument annoying. That's all.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

When we consider the detail in micro-life on this planet,

It's not a matter of size. It's a matter of, to put it in perspective, me caring one iota whether a waterbear in China thinks that I'm a god, or worships me over you, or plays with itself because it's bored.

 

[Vee]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2265640173461999

When we consider the world that we live in and how we compare sizes of things to what we see on our own planet, then to compare the smallest thing we know with the biggest thing, I find my mind has difficulty processing this information.

From microscopic to enormous on earth is one thing....but to then go from "small" to "gargantuan" in the universe outside our world.....just mind boggling!

Can these heavenly bodies just come from nowhere?

When I see this kind of video I feel... really small. It certainly gives a lot of material for reflection.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

The better question is that with such a massive abundance of creation, do any gods that might be really care how people on one tiny dust-speck behave?

I suppose if I had the perspective that I am god then I would care how this speck behaves.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Or, maybe they do care exactly how every single speck of dust behaves or it wouldn't be there.

It seems clear that from a natural world perspective that all the little specs are ordered and behave as they should.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Can god just come from nowhere?

For me it helped when I percieved that nowhere had substance and value rather than being void.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I don't know. Ask someone who's willing to feign knowledge where none as of now exists.

Ask me. Ask me. I feign knowledge all the time.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Awwww hazard a guess Shadow Wolf...we all have our theories on the nature of things. Is "I dunno" really all you have?

Without a Creator, how do you explain any of it?

Language is tricky. Perhaps creator is the wrong word to portray the thought. I like "The Before."

 

[LuisDantas]

It seems clear that from a natural world perspective that all the little specs are ordered and behave as they should.

If I may ask: what do you mean by that?

What order would that be?

Where do you get a sense of how the specs should behave?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

If I may ask: what do you mean by that?

What order would that be?

Where do you get a sense of how the specs should behave?

The laws of physics.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We have a simple answer....science has none. Annoying, isn't it.

It's not annoying. It's better to just admit you don't know than trying to fill in the blanks with answers that are interchangeable with a myriad other answers.

since we seem to beat them hands down on just about everything?

We haven't "beat them." We have opposable thumbs, which allows us to better utilize our intelligence. But some other apes can do this, and even raccoons. We can't fly, our vision is far from the best the animal kingdom has to offer, and we can't stay underwater for more than a few minutes. We need our tools to defend ourselves against numerous animals, reptiles, and aquatic life. Even plants have us beat when it comes to harnessing energy for our biological processes.

We alone deliberately formulate actions of our own free will

Free will has yet to be demonstrated as true.

 

[Revoltingest]

Deep thought for the thread.....
On top of a tall building looking down,
your uncle looks like an ant.

(It works better when spoken.)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Deep thought for the thread.....
On top of a tall building looking down,
your uncle looks like an ant.

(It works better when spoken.)

My uncle never looks like my ant!

 

[suncowiam]

I've been working in the engineering field for 20+ years. In the beginning of my career, I was amazed by the size of memory a computer can hold. But every year or generation, it always increases. It used be in kilobytes, then megabytes, then gigabytes and now terabytes.

At his point, size is just arbitrary. I either see it as finite or infinite for practical purposes. When I do see it as infinite, it really still is finite but it does not matter how much I perceive it because I would never be able to use it all.

It's just a matter of perspective and how relative it is to the observer.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I suppose if I had the perspective that I am god then I would care how this speck behaves.

I suppose that depends on the god. I could really care less how the specks behave or what they think; I've got bigger things to do than dictate their lives.

Free will has yet to be demonstrated as true.

I think free will is constantly demonstrated as true. A lot of people just over-think it, or think that conditional restraints nullify such a thing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've been working in the engineering field for 20+ years. In the beginning of my career, I was amazed by the size of memory a computer can hold. But every year or generation, it always increases. It used be in kilobytes, then megabytes, then gigabytes and now terabytes.

At his point, size is just arbitrary. I either see it as finite or infinite for practical purposes. When I do see it as infinite, it really still is finite but it does not matter how much I perceive it because I would never be able to use it all.

It's just a matter of perspective and how relative it is to the observer.

Yep, Good old Moore's Law:

I had a roommate that had a computer with a massive one k of memory.