Just re-watched Avengers: End Game SPOILERS

[Bob the Unbeliever]

for a second time.

The first time, it was on an IMAX showing, and even though I was in the middle? I found it less watchable than in the "regular" format.

But worse-- even with a potty break just before, I had to skip out about the middle.

So, today, looking for a movie, I was literally walking up just as it was going to start-- End Game, in 3D.

I kinda wanted to see it in 3D anyway, and asked about the seating-- prime spot, available, and nobody nearby.

Couldn't resist-- bought the ticket, walked to the theater, sat down through about 10 minutes of previews, and watched the whole thing this time.

Spoiler

The first time, I had missed Cap's speech, right before the 3 teams went after the Magic Rocks-- erm-- "infinity stones". I saw it this time, and the subsequent scenes made a wee bit more sense.

Hokay. I do like a good Comic Book. But.

If it was such a Giant Big Deal to Not split the time into alternate streams? So much so, that Hulk/Banner had to convince the Sorcerer Supreme (the one who came before Strange) to give him the Time Stone? And assures her, they will carefully put everything back?

They then go on to break that promise-- twice.

Spoiler

First, Tony Stark doesn't send Thanos and his minions back to the past-- he *snaps* them away into dust. Which means? Thanos never snapped the first time! Oh... Snap.

Second, Cap goes back in time to replace the Infinity Stones back where they came from in time. Then? He creates yet another alternate path, by living out his life with Peggy Carter, who would then be unlikely to be Director of Shield, which means Fury never becomes Director, which means.... and so on and so on.

Neither of these are explained...

 

[Brickjectivity]

for a second time.

I haven't seen Into The Spiderverse. Maybe tonight?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Too lazy to tag, proceed at your own risk if you haven't seen it!

I think the SS was less upset about the timelines splitting than leaving any of the new timelines without protection of the stones. The whole fractured timeline thing is a weird play in general, because the multiverse absolutely exists in marvel-land and they're going to be calling on it. Characters jumping from timeline to timeline, universe to universe is one of the true staples of comics. (It is, in fact, how Dr. Strange operates. Manipulating the multiverse, including making and jumping to split timelines.)

Edit: It's also how Scarlet Witch works, but that's more expanded comic stuff than the cinematic universe.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I haven't seen Into The Spiderverse. Maybe tonight?

It's worthy of your time, if you can get it cheap or free. It adds nothing really to Marvel Canon, but it's a jolly good romp, and actually is based on a series of limited release Spiderman comics (or, rather related to Spidey, sometimes indirectly)

Yes, I've seen it on 'Prime. It's animated, but the voice acting is quite good.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Too lazy to tag, proceed at your own risk if you haven't seen it!

I think the SS was less upset about the timelines splitting than leaving any of the new timelines without protection of the stones. The whole fractured timeline thing is a weird play in general, because the multiverse absolutely exists in marvel-land and they're going to be calling on it. Characters jumping from timeline to timeline, universe to universe is one of the true staples of comics. (It is, in fact, how Dr. Strange operates. Manipulating the multiverse, including making and jumping to split timelines.)

Edit: It's also how Scarlet Witch works, but that's more expanded comic stuff than the cinematic universe.

You do raise a very good point-- according to the final scene in the movie, all that Cap was setting back into place, were the stones.

But I left out a 3rd split: Gamora from Guardians.

I kinda wondered how Iron Man knew to not turn her into dust? She was part of Thanos' crew, and as far as Tony knew? Still a bad guy. Worse...she was originally killed to recover the Soul Stone....

.. Which is supposedly impossible. Yet, here we are...

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You do raise a very good point-- according to the final scene in the movie, all that Cap was setting back into place, were the stones.

But I left out a 3rd split: Gamora from Guardians.

I kinda wondered how Iron Man knew to not turn her into dust? She was part of Thanos' crew, and as far as Tony knew? Still a bad guy. Worse...she was originally killed to recover the Soul Stone....

.. Which is supposedly impossible. Yet, here we are...

I'm guessing the stones, combined, give you sort of a situational omnipotence while you have them and are focusing on their power. The soul gem in particular can see information about other people's soul. So he could, for all intents and purposes, divine who was friend and who was foe. But a possible alternative is that there was a lot of time for Tony and Nebula to bond while they were stranded on the ship. To the extent where Nebula is wearing part of Tony's Iron Man suit on her head, and he cares enough to give her a win in a game. Perhaps Nebula explained her story and Tony wanted to give her a shot to get her sister back.

Just speculation.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It's worthy of your time, if you can get it cheap or free. It adds nothing really to Marvel Canon, but it's a jolly good romp, and actually is based on a series of limited release Spiderman comics (or, rather related to Spidey, sometimes indirectly)

Yes, I've seen it on 'Prime. It's animated, but the voice acting is quite good.

Redbox will be cheaper. Funny, the Amazon listing says its from 4.99 to rent, but when I go to the video it says it wants to charge 5.99.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Redbox will be cheaper. Funny, the Amazon listing says its from 4.99 to rent, but when I go to the video it says it wants to charge 5.99.

SD versus HD. Yeah, that p**ses me off about 'Zon. I've been lured into a rental for $2 only to discover I gotta shell out $6 if I want the full BlueRay/HD experience.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I'm guessing the stones, combined, give you sort of a situational omnipotence while you have them and are focusing on their power. The soul gem in particular can see information about other people's soul. So he could, for all intents and purposes, divine who was friend and who was foe. But a possible alternative is that there was a lot of time for Tony and Nebula to bond while they were stranded on the ship. To the extent where Nebula is wearing part of Tony's Iron Man suit on her head, and he cares enough to give her a win in a game. Perhaps Nebula explained her story and Tony wanted to give her a shot to get her sister back.

Just speculation.

That actually fits-- once the power manifests, the user has a kind of omniscience. That kind of goes with omnipotence also grated by the stones.

Good point.

 

[Aupmanyav]

for a second time.

How could you! I just cannot stand the Hollywood horrors/action films/fantasies. IMHO, it is a matter of age.

 

[Brickjectivity]

for a second time.

The first time, it was on an IMAX showing, and even though I was in the middle? I found it less watchable than in the "regular" format.

But worse-- even with a potty break just before, I had to skip out about the middle.

So, today, looking for a movie, I was literally walking up just as it was going to start-- End Game, in 3D.

I kinda wanted to see it in 3D anyway, and asked about the seating-- prime spot, available, and nobody nearby.

Couldn't resist-- bought the ticket, walked to the theater, sat down through about 10 minutes of previews, and watched the whole thing this time.

Spoiler

The first time, I had missed Cap's speech, right before the 3 teams went after the Magic Rocks-- erm-- "infinity stones". I saw it this time, and the subsequent scenes made a wee bit more sense.

Hokay. I do like a good Comic Book. But.

If it was such a Giant Big Deal to Not split the time into alternate streams? So much so, that Hulk/Banner had to convince the Sorcerer Supreme (the one who came before Strange) to give him the Time Stone? And assures her, they will carefully put everything back?

They then go on to break that promise-- twice.

Spoiler

First, Tony Stark doesn't send Thanos and his minions back to the past-- he *snaps* them away into dust. Which means? Thanos never snapped the first time! Oh... Snap.

Second, Cap goes back in time to replace the Infinity Stones back where they came from in time. Then? He creates yet another alternate path, by living out his life with Peggy Carter, who would then be unlikely to be Director of Shield, which means Fury never becomes Director, which means.... and so on and so on.

Neither of these are explained...

I don't have proof, but I think I can vouch for Captain America and Agent Carter. They'll preserve the timeline even if they have to keep their relationship a secret.

As for Thanos...yeah ok. That's going to cause time problems, but Dr. Strange will fix those.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nerds!!!!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How could you! I just cannot stand the Hollywood horrors/action films/fantasies. IMHO, it is a matter of age.

I love Good Story-telling. Visual. Words. You name it-- I have nearly 1000 eBooks on my Kindle app, most of which I have read at least once.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I don't have proof, but I think I can vouch for Captain America and Agent Carter. They'll preserve the timeline even if they have to keep their relationship a secret.

As for Thanos...yeah ok. That's going to cause time problems, but Dr. Strange will fix those.

That's an excellent point: Cap is Lawful Good, and Carter was at least Neutral Good.

 

[Woberts]

Eh, same flaws as all the other ones. Every character has the same personality, bad fight scenes, tons of plot holes, lackluster cinematography.

 

[David1967]

for a second time.

The first time, it was on an IMAX showing, and even though I was in the middle? I found it less watchable than in the "regular" format.

But worse-- even with a potty break just before, I had to skip out about the middle.

So, today, looking for a movie, I was literally walking up just as it was going to start-- End Game, in 3D.

I kinda wanted to see it in 3D anyway, and asked about the seating-- prime spot, available, and nobody nearby.

Couldn't resist-- bought the ticket, walked to the theater, sat down through about 10 minutes of previews, and watched the whole thing this time.

Spoiler

The first time, I had missed Cap's speech, right before the 3 teams went after the Magic Rocks-- erm-- "infinity stones". I saw it this time, and the subsequent scenes made a wee bit more sense.

Hokay. I do like a good Comic Book. But.

If it was such a Giant Big Deal to Not split the time into alternate streams? So much so, that Hulk/Banner had to convince the Sorcerer Supreme (the one who came before Strange) to give him the Time Stone? And assures her, they will carefully put everything back?

They then go on to break that promise-- twice.

Spoiler

First, Tony Stark doesn't send Thanos and his minions back to the past-- he *snaps* them away into dust. Which means? Thanos never snapped the first time! Oh... Snap.

Second, Cap goes back in time to replace the Infinity Stones back where they came from in time. Then? He creates yet another alternate path, by living out his life with Peggy Carter, who would then be unlikely to be Director of Shield, which means Fury never becomes Director, which means.... and so on and so on.

Neither of these are explained...

I was looking forward to watching this movie, saw it last night and didn't think it lived up to the others.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I was looking forward to watching this movie, saw it last night and didn't think it lived up to the others.

I liked it many times over Infinity War, which I pretty much hated.

 

[David1967]

I liked it many times over Infinity War, which I pretty much hated.

To me it was too drug out.

 

[SomeRandom]

for a second time.

The first time, it was on an IMAX showing, and even though I was in the middle? I found it less watchable than in the "regular" format.

But worse-- even with a potty break just before, I had to skip out about the middle.

So, today, looking for a movie, I was literally walking up just as it was going to start-- End Game, in 3D.

I kinda wanted to see it in 3D anyway, and asked about the seating-- prime spot, available, and nobody nearby.

Couldn't resist-- bought the ticket, walked to the theater, sat down through about 10 minutes of previews, and watched the whole thing this time.

Spoiler

The first time, I had missed Cap's speech, right before the 3 teams went after the Magic Rocks-- erm-- "infinity stones". I saw it this time, and the subsequent scenes made a wee bit more sense.

Hokay. I do like a good Comic Book. But.

If it was such a Giant Big Deal to Not split the time into alternate streams? So much so, that Hulk/Banner had to convince the Sorcerer Supreme (the one who came before Strange) to give him the Time Stone? And assures her, they will carefully put everything back?

They then go on to break that promise-- twice.

Spoiler

First, Tony Stark doesn't send Thanos and his minions back to the past-- he *snaps* them away into dust. Which means? Thanos never snapped the first time! Oh... Snap.

Second, Cap goes back in time to replace the Infinity Stones back where they came from in time. Then? He creates yet another alternate path, by living out his life with Peggy Carter, who would then be unlikely to be Director of Shield, which means Fury never becomes Director, which means.... and so on and so on.

Neither of these are explained...

I think it’s important to remember End game is not functioning on Back to the Future rules, where each and every alteration ends up literally altering the current timeline. It essentially makes a different split off timeline for every single alteration.
The current timeline all the heroes currently reside in is an alternative universe, in essence. Cap had a different timeline where he and Peggy lived happily ever after. He just returned later to the current one essentially merging the two, is all. I suspect it rewrote Fury’s memory in the process. No one else in the team really knew or had previous interactions with either Peggy or Cap in his branched off timeline, hence their surprised reaction.
It’s confusing, true, but that’s just comic books for you.
I haven’t really thought about the Thanos plot hole very much in-depth yet, though lol.