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Just what is this?
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Draka
Wonder Woman
No thorns.
There used to be such a big great Lilac bush beside it and I loved it too. I love Lilacs. It ticked me off to no end when my former landlord chopped it down. He got a notice from the city about some overgrowth on the building lot and instead of trimming one bush by the alley and weeding the other side of the duplex he decided to cut down absolutely everything on the lot. Everything grew back but the Lilacs
thanks for taking an interest in this Comet. I've tried looking for things myself online, but still come up empty and as I don't know many bushes/shrubs I'm kind of at a loss. Honestly, it was the smell that prompted me to try to find out what it is. The smell is unique, but in some way familiar. I wish I could describe it.
There used to be such a big great Lilac bush beside it and I loved it too. I love Lilacs. It ticked me off to no end when my former landlord chopped it down. He got a notice from the city about some overgrowth on the building lot and instead of trimming one bush by the alley and weeding the other side of the duplex he decided to cut down absolutely everything on the lot. Everything grew back but the Lilacs
thanks for taking an interest in this Comet. I've tried looking for things myself online, but still come up empty and as I don't know many bushes/shrubs I'm kind of at a loss. Honestly, it was the smell that prompted me to try to find out what it is. The smell is unique, but in some way familiar. I wish I could describe it.
Warren Clark
Informer
could it be a young staghorn or smooth sumac?
Those are the only trees native to Iowa that your picture represents.
Those are the only trees native to Iowa that your picture represents.
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bain-druie
Tree-Hugger!
I really hope I'm wrong, but to me it seems you may very well have a Tree of Heaven: PCA Alien Plant Working Group - Tree-of-Heaven (Ailanthus altissima) :sorry1:
Some idiot thought they'd feed silkworms with it; it didn't work, and they proceeded to try to take over the entire continent. With moderate success.
But hopefully I'm wrong.
Some idiot thought they'd feed silkworms with it; it didn't work, and they proceeded to try to take over the entire continent. With moderate success.
But hopefully I'm wrong.
Warren Clark
Informer
Well it is apart of the Sumac Family.
Only this one has rigid edges on the leaves.
The Tree-of-Heaven doesn't have such a predominate rigid edge as hers.
bain-druie
Tree-Hugger!
Good point, Warren - Draka, your plant has serrated edges on the leaves, so it's probably *NOT* a tree of heaven! Yay! :trampo: Here's what the page says about look-alikes: "Native sumacs (Rhus) and trees like ash (Fraxinus), hickory (Carya), black walnut, butternut and pecan (Juglans) can be distinguished from tree-of-heaven by having completely serrated (toothed) leaf margins."
Draka
Wonder Woman
Okay, so it's a sumac of some kind. I don't think I'm going to figure out exactly what kind for a while though. Everything I've found talks of flowering and fruits and colors and so on and I can't recall ever seeing any of that on this. So maybe just waiting a few months and see what this thing does and if it produces anything this year will answer some questions. Thanks for the replies. At least I have a general direction and some things definitely crossed off the list now.
Warren Clark
Informer
So are you looking to remove it?
Draka
Wonder Woman
Not sure yet. I don't have much yard space and it's starting to grow into my clothesline umbrella (I live in a duplex and share a small side yard with the other side of the building). I can snap the twigs off that protrude into the area, but the smell left on my hands just really got me to wondering exactly what it is is all.
monta
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I don't think the trunk is an issue, that can happen when a tree sprouts from a stump. The paripinnate leaves and absent terminal leaflet are the clues here I think, it could be black walnut, is the bark very rough like it's scarred?
I also considered some variety of wisteria.
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Comet
Harvey Wallbanger
To kill it without destroying the area and all other life within it, you can do two things:
1. Dig it up to the roots and pull it all out: (this may also help to see if it is one big rose-bush type that has a common trunk part underground)
2. If it does have a common trunk or bulb type area, drill a few holes it in, and pour poison into the holes. This will kill the tree/bush without contaminating the soil so much.
*If it does not have a common trunk/bulb area (even underground... then you are dealing with a more evasive shrub like plant. Thus, get back to me*
I'm going back to a lilac type bush....
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
It definitely seems to have stump sprouted, from your description. This happens when deciduous trees are cut down but the roots live on to re-sprout.
Maybe little or black walnut? It's too small to fruit either way, but that is my best guess given the way the leaves are arranged. Also the smell... they are pretty distinctive
check out this online tree key as a good start. What Tree Is It? HOME
Oh, and it's not the branches falling off, those are the whole leaf, they are called compound leaves.
wa:do
ps, young walnut bark wont be as distinctively scarred as adult trees would be... young tree bark is much thinner.
Maybe little or black walnut? It's too small to fruit either way, but that is my best guess given the way the leaves are arranged. Also the smell... they are pretty distinctive
check out this online tree key as a good start. What Tree Is It? HOME
Oh, and it's not the branches falling off, those are the whole leaf, they are called compound leaves.
wa:do
ps, young walnut bark wont be as distinctively scarred as adult trees would be... young tree bark is much thinner.
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Draka
Wonder Woman
Well, I went out today and cut off all the winding branches but the two straightest. I may take the smaller slightly leaning one out too. This way the tallest center "trunk" is by itself. I don't know what else to do with it, but as it was driving me nuts as I was trying to hang my laundry today I just started hacking. Sawing actually...with a steak knife I have no real saw to speak of and a steak knife handled it really well. Not only were the leaves all up in my lines and clothes, but the damn thing was blocking the sun and breeze from my clothesline. :tsk: Now, I like a nice good tree as much as anyone and wouldn't mind a small singular tree in the yard at all. In fact I'd probably like it. But this thing just has branches and leaves sprawling outwards everywhere in a very small yard to begin with. I also don't remember it being so...'messy' before it was cut down before. I don't recall it sprawling like this. I did get down and inspect the base area and it looks like it may indeed have sprouted from a singular trunk. Not positive about it, but possible.
I have no real saw to speak of and a steak knife handled it really well. Not only were the leaves all up in my lines and clothes, but the damn thing was blocking the sun and breeze from my clothesline. :tsk: Now, I like a nice good tree as much as anyone and wouldn't mind a small singular tree in the yard at all. In fact I'd probably like it. But this thing just has branches and leaves sprawling outwards everywhere in a very small yard to begin with. I also don't remember it being so...'messy' before it was cut down before. I don't recall it sprawling like this. I did get down and inspect the base area and it looks like it may indeed have sprouted from a singular trunk. Not positive about it, but possible.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
It's one of the coolest things about deciduous trees, their ability to stump sprout. What we think of as "the tree" is really just a small part of the whole. The roots are where the real action and bulk usually are.
Bully for you being able to tackle it with a steak knife! Walnut wood is great for working into walking sticks, wands and other useful things as it is very durable and pretty.
Now you just have to wait 10 years or so, and you can also enjoy home grown walnuts.
wa:do
Bully for you being able to tackle it with a steak knife! Walnut wood is great for working into walking sticks, wands and other useful things as it is very durable and pretty.
Now you just have to wait 10 years or so, and you can also enjoy home grown walnuts.
wa:do
I'd also guess sumac, but it has more trunks than I'd expect. It's a pretty fast grower, & sends runners underground to pop up nearby. If you keep cutting it down, it might not get mature enuf to flower.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Except that sumac leaves end with a leaflet like so....
where as walnuts end with out a leaflet as seen in Draka's picture.
another example:
Young bark on North American Sumacs also tends to be fuzzy, except the Poison Sumac and since Draka mentioned neither fuzz nor itching I suspect it can't be Sumac.
wa:do
where as walnuts end with out a leaflet as seen in Draka's picture.
another example:
Young bark on North American Sumacs also tends to be fuzzy, except the Poison Sumac and since Draka mentioned neither fuzz nor itching I suspect it can't be Sumac.
wa:do
Draka
Wonder Woman
Except that sumac leaves end with a leaflet like so....
where as walnuts end with out a leaflet as seen in Draka's picture.
another example:
Young bark on North American Sumacs also tends to be fuzzy, except the Poison Sumac and since Draka mentioned neither fuzz nor itching I suspect it can't be Sumac.
wa:do
Actually, the small branches/leaves are green and fuzzy. It's there that the smell is.
I've killed many a young walnut tree, & never found that they'd sprout with multiple trunks like that.
Walnut trees are stately, but I still hate'm....
They put juglone in the soil, poisoning lots'o other plants.
They're about the last trees to leaf out.
They're the first to drop their leaves in the fall or late summer.
In a yard or driveway, they put big green ball bearings all over the place.
Walnut trees are stately, but I still hate'm....
They put juglone in the soil, poisoning lots'o other plants.
They're about the last trees to leaf out.
They're the first to drop their leaves in the fall or late summer.
In a yard or driveway, they put big green ball bearings all over the place.