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Just wonderin'

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Let me repeat myself:


Perhaps @BSM1 had a sensible motivation for asking a stupid question. I do not use the term "stupid question" lightly. But it was stupid, in the context of current events. The only real answer is "Nobody knows."
And after a couple of hundred posts, BSM1 still hasn't given anybody reason to interpret his motivation as anything other than blind support for Trump. That's the lack of evidence that I consider evidence.
Tom

So your claim is nobody knows if they know someone who died of COVID-19 without other preexisting medical conditions? If so, that's just silly. Even the notion that no one knows if people who died had preexisting medical conditions is silly.

It would appear to me after reading this thread that you have worked much harder at injecting partisan politics into it than the OP. Frankly, I find it rather juvenile and reckless to play political games with regard to a pandemic.

So why not just address the question at hand and drop the spin? If you want to know the motive or intent behind the question, ask.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
i just want to know the truth .
About what?

If you mean C19, you'll probably be waiting until after C19 stops being a political football being manipulated by politicians like the President.

Until then, too many powerful people have motivation and means to misrepresent such data as there is available. You won't get much truth at the bottom of a USA presidential cycle with an embattled incumbent who's a very accomplished liar(even by politician standards).
Tom
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
i just want to know the truth .
The truth is globally over 16 million have contracted the virus, over 650 thousand have died, in addition to the many more who suffered serious illness and long term and permanent damage (such as lung scaring, brain damage, and chronic fatigue syndrome).
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I have asked.
200+ posts later, I've not seen an answer.

Maybe you are important enough to get an answer.
Tom

Well, then either we'll get an answer or we won't.

I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep either way.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Well, then either we'll get an answer or we won't.

I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep either way.
I do have a different attitude.

I have loved ones in my life that are at risk of death due to the irresponsible behavior of others.

I won't lose sleep over one RF poster. But the irresponsible behavior he promotes does bother me a great deal. I can't really yell at the dummies in Walmart who think it's their Constitutional Right to be ignorant and spread fatal illnesses, so I don't.

@BSM1 posted on an internet forum where I can ask pointed questions, and respond as I feel appropriate.
Tom
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
About what?

If you mean C19, you'll probably be waiting until after C19 stops being a political football being manipulated by politicians like the President.

Until then, too many powerful people have motivation and means to misrepresent such data as there is available. You won't get much truth at the bottom of a USA presidential cycle with an embattled incumbent who's a very accomplished liar(even by politician standards).
Tom
i dont question that people are dyeing from it . its when some one who test's with it ,gets killed by what ever means, and its called and reported as a covid death .
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
i dont question that people are dyeing from it . its when some one who test's with it ,gets killed by what ever means, and its called and reported as a covid death .
Help me understand your point here.

People die all the time. Everyone dies eventually. People who die earlier than need be due to a C19 infection, even if they have other health problems, are generally reported as a C19 death.

A huge part of the problem with C19 is that nobody really understands it yet. It's similar to other illnesses, but not the same. Keeping track of which patients die with C19 is important to understanding the illness going forward.

I don't understand the point to your post. Please explain.
Tom
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
Help me understand your point here.

People die all the time. Everyone dies eventually. People who die earlier than need be due to a C19 infection, even if they have other health problems, are generally reported as a C19 death.

A huge part of the problem with C19 is that nobody really understands it yet. It's similar to other illnesses, but not the same. Keeping track of which patients die with C19 is important to understanding the illness going forward.

I don't understand the point to your post. Please explain.
Tom
yes people do die all the time. its been said theres a 1000 ways to die . yet if someone has the corvid gets killed from some of 1000 ways it still get ''reported'' as a corvid death . thats nothing more than a excuse to say the person died from corvid 19
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
yes people do die all the time. its been said theres a 1000 ways to die . yet if someone has the corvid gets killed from some of 1000 ways it still get ''reported'' as a corvid death . thats nothing more than a excuse to say the person died from corvid 19
Cause of death can be the Covid19 virus, even they have other sicknesses too.
I have asthma and even I am otherwise healthy asthma is enough to trigger a more deadly situation for me if I get Covid19. But still it is because of the covid19 I would get in danger of dying.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Because people can read something like "we can't control it," or "all these people and yet only a few people personally know someone" or "masks are problematic and there is no danger in not wearing them around others" and act on that. That is threatening to the life and wellbeing of not just the one who read and acted on it, but also those they will be encountering and interacting with.
Online websites do not exist in a vacuum of their own universe.

The opinions are triggering yes. There is a difference between saying masks arnt useful as a debate which doesn't always mirror the opinion of the person making it ... As opposed to saying the same thing and actually holding that opinion that masks don't help. We don't know unless we ask. Assumptions regardless how much we feel our educated guesses are correct are still not facts. Unlike in person where it's harder to control facial expressions and verbal cues, online we can. We can literally step from the screen and calm down. We have time to ask for clarification (and the interest to do so) so we won't be comfortable with our assumptions rather than the facts.

Here's the thing.

I (bored enough around here) looked at I think post 45 where you mentioned to BSM1 mocked you. What I found was he pushed a button by challenging your (and others) responses.

Usually, when I do that especially with say someone who has lost a loved one, I'd say I'm challenging your opinion without disregarding your (analogy) personal attachment to it. Or in some cases Ill just give e a disclaimer. But that's just me. On RF I wouldn't expect everyone would give a disclaimer for challenging personal opinions and experiences.

But we do need to be aware that online info isn't life and death. No one here is forcing anyone to answer questions and respond to what one feels as mockery of so have you. It's a totally safe "environment" that I would hope lend for more discussion of each other's opinions that may be too sensitive to talk about in person.
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
you may believe your being told the truth where as i believe i am being lied to . high numbers are sensational and make for great print
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
you may believe your being told the truth where as i believe i am being lied to . high numbers are sensational and make for great print
Doctors who work with this do tell the truth in my understanding.
Politicians like Trump is the once who keep lying about Covid-19 and how it spreads.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
you may believe your being told the truth where as i believe i am being lied to . high numbers are sensational and make for great print
I'm certain that I'm being lied to.

The question is "Who is probably lying the most, and about what?"

Low numbers help an incumbent President keep power. And a bunch of powerful elite desperately want that. On the other hand, his political opponents have other motivations for lying about the numbers in a different way.

And the media doesn't care what the truth is as long as they sell advertising and make money.

So, I try to put any claims, assertions, or statistics into context before I draw any conclusions at all.
Tom
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I (bored enough around here) looked at I think post 45 where you mentioned to BSM1 mocked you. What I found was he pushed a button by challenging your (and others) responses.
I didnt make the claim, I was not involved in that post in any way.
I'm challenging your opinion without disregarding your (analogy) personal attachment to it. Or in some cases Ill just give e a disclaimer.
My personal attachment is bad opinions that have destroyed America's response to covid, and the many forms it comes in. Like trying to create an atmosphere where it appears not that many people have been personally effected by something. And, indeed, that is a valid way to look at things. But only if you follow up on them. The OP hasn't, and a follow up would include a very large "but" in it to attach the rest of the facts. But as is he created a thread where it appears covid is having minimal effwct on people.
Because I live here, my personal attachment is that I am being further burdened and inconvenienced by selfish pudding brains who are making this situation worse than need be.

But we do need to be aware that online info isn't life and death.
It can be. Its why it was decided early on posts containing false information about covid is a no. RF is a part of a corporation. That means people have to be concerned with liability if they are concerned with nothing else (on the issue of this I believe it more a decision based on concern for members). It's also why they don't allow people to tell members to quit taking their meds, their meds or poison, or other such stuff. It can be dangerous for some people to read (and certainly there are members here with severe mental illness - but its to be expected as religion is often very important to those with chronic illness).
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Like trying to create an atmosphere where it appears not that many people have been personally effected by something. And, indeed, that is a valid way to look at things.

I want to single this out for a minute and come back to the rest. A lot of us Americans, if not most, know the seriousness of the COVID. I don't know if that's what you "see" from outsider in perspective. On an individual level, we do take things very seriously. From a media and political level (generalizing the American public) not so much.

Our lack or minimal personal experiences with COVID doesn't exclude we don't care any more or less than someone who has died or ill from the disease. America is such a big place that if a group of people died from AIDs there are but so much we put our feelings into it as strangers without knowing the details of those deceased people's condition(s).

We don't need to be personally affected (the same way, the same intensity etc) as some one else beside us to have some sort of care for others (not superficial). In many states, people are so spread out that we basically live in our own little towns, communities, families, etc and go by (like the rest of the world) what we see on television.

It does help to be critical on what you see and hear on t.v. whether it be about the US (which gets a lot of negativity from foreigners alike) to anything else really. Our personal experiences shouldn't keep us from being somewhat critical and skeptical of the news we hear and what we accept and don't accept as true.

Even more so, look down at the people who draw different conclusions on the same data as the person beside him or her.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
It can be. Its why it was decided early on posts containing false information about covid is a no. RF is a part of a corporation. That means people have to be concerned with liability if they are concerned with nothing else (on the issue of this I believe it more a decision based on concern for members). It's also why they don't allow people to tell members to quit taking their meds, their meds or poison, or other such stuff. It can be dangerous for some people to read (and certainly there are members here with severe mental illness - but its to be expected as religion is often very important to those with chronic illness).

Like this thread, people can take what they read and take what they read personally or they can keep a line or barrier between themselves and what they read (see, and hear), until they confirm what is true and what isn't. It's hard to do that online and not a lot of us are scientists and doctors to judge what they say on WHO, CDC, media, etc are telling the truth. We are all human. While impossible to do with with Who and CDC, in the most general sense of the term, if I received life threatening diagnosis, I'd get a second and third opinion.

Anyway. Of course our personal experiences can confirm what we think is true or false about someone else's intent-individual, political, or otherwise-at the same time, these assumptions (beliefs, etc) are not all based on facts.

Which is no problem having faith or believe that something is true by prier witness and personal experience. I'm just saying don't take it for granted.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I don't know if that's what you "see" from outsider in perspective.
Huh?
My personal attachment is bad opinions that have destroyed America's response to covid,
....
Because I live here, my personal attachment is that I am being further burdened and inconvenienced by selfish pudding brains who are making this situation worse than need be.
So definitely not an outsider looking in thing. Its what I see as an American frustrated by her countries response that has been nothing less than a failure void of moral and ethical considerations. The country at large only cares about "me," and that effects us all.
Our lack or minimal personal experiences with COVID doesn't exclude we don't care any more or less than someone who has died or ill from the disease.
In the case of the OP, if we want to ignore signs amd trends. Like downplaying the risks because oh, well, not many seem to be personally know anyone killed by it. Of course its speculation after that, but a few of us have reached the same conclusion: it seems a likely attempt to downplay C19.
 
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