Justify your belief???

[KWED]

That cuts both ways... Often, atheists try to impose their morality upon others.

Yes! (Although it isn't just atheists who are against the primitive "morality" of scripture)
Keeping slaves is immoral.
Torturing people to death is immoral.
Violent homophobia is immoral.

(This is where you tell me that those are all "just my opinion" )

 

[Callisto]

Here we go again

Religion are taken out of school.
Ban of hijab in certain Jobs.
Ban of wearing religious symbols publically are talked about politically

That's not atheism, that's secularism which is what government and laws need to be for a pluralistic society.

Religion belongs in the home and in designated places of worship. It doesn't belong in public places and legislation in countries where there are various beliefs.

Jobs typically have dress codes and jewelry [codes] for safety reasons and/or for egalitarian purposes. In the case of public-facing positions, such codes are intended to project the branding and nature of the company.

None of those things are anti-religious in their nature, they're non-religious I.e., people are not told they can't have religious views nor are prohibited from engaging in religious practices on their own time.

* edited to add omitted word.

 

[KWED]

Sexual morality...
That is what I am discussing with @KWED on the Who as Baha'u'llah thread.

Ah yes. You believe that sex outside marriage is "immoral" and homosexuality is a "shameful sexual aberration", a condition that needs to be treated.
And perfectly illustrating the OP, when asked to justify your intolerant and homophobic beliefs, you state that you simply have to follow god's law. And you wonder why people press you on these issues?

 

[Callisto]

Norway being one ( I am born here and live here)
They want to end religious teaching everywhere

"Everywhere" as in prohibiting people from attending places of worship or "everywhere" as in public places and policies/laws that don't require religious expression?

According to polls I've seen, Norway's population is predominately secular and atheistic, a minority 30% identify as religious. Atheists are definitely supporters of secularism but that doesn't make secularism atheistic. If laws are being passed to remove places of worship and prevent individuals from practicing their beliefs, that would be atheistic. If laws are saying "this is a non-religious matter/location" that's secular, it doesn't imply anything good or bad about a religious belief, just that it's not applicable to the situation.

 

[KWED]

Why do certain members of RF keep at it toward the same theist members over and over again, accusing them of fallacy, hearsay, ignorance, strawman, or of lying?

Ooh, I know this one!
It's because they keep repeating the same flawed, fallacious claims as opposed to presenting any evidence or rational argument to support them, despite repeated requests and explanations.
Was I right?

 

[KWED]

But atheists aren't in need of being in a religious forum to discuss if they can't handle that religious people speak about their beliefs. Isn't that what religious forums are for?

Share our religious and spiritual belief.
Not to answer pushy people

Did you really say that atheists shouldn't go on religious debate forums if they don't like religionists refusing to support their claims?
Your position is slipping further down the rabbit hole.

 

[Callisto]

You are not aware of theists who question the beliefs of other theists following other religions?

I see theists debate over eachother's beliefs all the time.

Personally, I've seen far more "theist on theist" debate and aggression than "atheist on theist".

 

[KWED]

With other religions or spiritual people yes

Why on earth would you think that a religious debate site should exclude atheists?
Most religious debate is between believers and disbelievers. You even confirmed this yourself.

 

[KWED]

I said: There might be doubts about certain things but there should be no doubt about what is central to the belief.

What I meant is, for example, for a believer there should be no doubt that God exists, or if one is a Christian there should be no doubt of who Jesus claimed to be, or if you are a Baha'i there should be no doubt that Baha'u'llah was who He claimed to be. However, we might have some doubts about the teachings such as whether God is all-loving.

On the other hand, not all believers are certain that God exists, some say they are not sure.
I understand their that position, but that seems more like an agnostic to me than a believer.

As a believer I am certain that God exists, but I cannot say I am certain that God has all the attributes that believers pin on Him.

You claim to have no doubt that Bahaullah is god's infallible messenger.
You also claim to have doubts abut his message and disagree with some of it.
Those two positions are not compatible. It is irrational to hold both simultaneously.
Now, you may not like me pointing that out, and @Seeker of White Light thinks I shouldn't be allowed to point it out - but there you are. You really should have some kind of explanation for it.

 

[Callisto]

The obvious answer is often the correct one.

Thus file under: "He who smelt it, dealt it."

 

[KWED]

What is good and what is bad?
What is good or bad is highly subjective, and people have opinions that are all over the board, unless one has a set of standards revealed by God. We normally refer to those as God's Laws.

Having sex only within marriage has many obvious and quantifiable social and personal benefits. I could not even begin to list them all. Sex out of wedlock can lead to adultery, broken families, and divorces. Although that is not always the case, the fact that it is sometimes the case is very problematic for individuals and for society. Many social problems could be prevented if sex was restricted to marriage.

86% of women who have abortions are unmarried women and that tells us the abortion rate would be much lower if nobody had sex out of wedlock.

TABLE 1. Percentage distribution of U.S. women obtaining abortions

Relationship status
Married 14.3
Cohabiting, not married 31.0
Never-married, not cohabiting 45.9
Previously married, not cohabiting 8.8

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/report_downloads/us-abortion-patients-table1.pdf

So what are the benefits of having sex out of wedlock?

What do US abortion rates have to do with the relative morality of different sexual relationships?
When it comes to unwanted pregnancies, universal, comprehensive sex education and free contraception is known to be more effective that preaching abstinence.
Also, you presumably favour gay relationships because they result in zero abortions? Yes?

 

[KWED]

They don't. Why would you think that they do?

They mean "Why should religionists be expected to provide evidence or rational argument to support their claims on a religious debate forum?"

 

[KWED]

Why? When I discuss with other religious people i learn a lot, and have no need to tell them, their beliefs are wrong.

That's because you believe all beliefs are right - which is a whole other kettle o kittens.

 

[KWED]

bans on certain clothing in some countries such as the hijab ban in France. I am against such laws too and after I thought about it for a while I realized that that could have been a ban enacted by Christians. I do not know for sure, but I do believe France is still a majority Christian country , not atheist.

It has been presented as a "hijab ban" by some vocal special interest groups, but it is more nuanced than that. There are basically two laws in place. One is a ban on wearing "conspicuous religious symbols" in state schools and other public spheres like courtrooms, organised sports using public facilities, etc (France has long been a fiercely secular nation with no official religious status - "Laicité"). This law also covers things like Sikh turbans, Jewish kippeh, etc.
The other is a general ban on face coverings in public, so includes niqab, burqa, balaclavas, snoods, etc - but does not include the hijab as that only covers the hair.

 

[KWED]

I am wrong many times a day,

About your religious beliefs?

I read different religions scriptures to find where I am wrong.

Do you accept what they all say, even if conflicting, or do you choose the one that you prefer?

 

[KWED]

Guys if you haven't noticed, this OP is NOT about me,

Yes it is.

 

[KWED]

When I started the OP i put it on purpose in discussion, not debate but staff moved it to debate.

That is not my fault

You were asking about what happens in the religious debate section!

 

[KWED]

Do you get satisfaction from tearing things apart?

Sometimes that's the best way to find out why it doesn't work.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You were asking about what happens in the religious debate section!

To be fair this was moved from the discussion section. To the debate section.

 

[KWED]

the tone of debate can quickly become toxic, .

IOW - some people's arguments are quickly dismantled and they don't like it.