Justin Bieber doesn't like Gays

[Rainbow Mage]

And that's because of Justin Bieber? Are you really trying to argue that Justin Bieber is responsible for those actions? Especially when those actions have been around longer than Justin Bieber has been alive?

The problem is not people like Justin Bieber. The problem is parents who have a negative look at homosexuals who teach that outlook to their children. And really, we are seeing more and more people accept homosexuals. Yes, it is slow, but it is coming along.

No I am not arguing Bieber is to blame, and I think you know that. I am arguing that picking child role models who espouse his views is how the movie industry indoctrinates children with prejudice

 

[Skwim]

No I am not arguing Bieber is to blame, and I think you know that. I am arguing that picking child role models who espouse his views is how the movie industry indoctrinates children with prejudice

Are you suggesting such indoctrination is deliberate?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Are you suggesting such indoctrination is deliberate?

Of course it is.

 

[Draka]

I don't think there's any intentional "indoctrination" there. Fact is, Hollywood/movie industry and the music industry are actually quite open and accepting of homosexuality and even same sex marriage and so on. Those industries aren't what contributes to certain kinds of "conservative" ideals, but what eventually changes them. You see young stars that come from conservative Christian backgrounds mainly because for one, Disney promotes a "wholesome" look and conservative Christian parents flock to that with their wannabe children stars. Frankly, it just appears that conservative Christian families tend to push their children more into those arenas than others. It seems they would learn as it only appears to change their children eventually. Lindsay Lohan anyone?

I honestly wouldn't worry about what Bieber's views are at this point in his life. I can nearly guarantee that his prepubescent fans really don't care AND his views will eventually change anyway.

 

[fallingblood]

No I am not arguing Bieber is to blame, and I think you know that. I am arguing that picking child role models who espouse his views is how the movie industry indoctrinates children with prejudice

I agree partially with you on this. However, I wouldn't put so much blame on the movie industry. The blame primarily rests on the parents. If I think homosexuality is just fine, do you think I'm going to allow my son to be influenced by someone like Justin Bieber? Not at all. I'm going to explain that Bieber is ignorant, and that homosexuality is just fine. And that is the stance I will take when my son gets older.

However, lets assume I hate gays. I'm going to teach my son the same thing. And really, it won't matter what he watches, because he is already being indoctrinated by me.


Really though, we are seeing more and more homosexuals being shown in a positive light on tv and in movies. ABC family is a great example of this. They produce shows geared to teenagers, and in many of their shows, there are homosexual couples who are treated with respect and are shown to be normal people. They are not demonized in any way. And really, that is the norm anymore.

TV and movies are not the problem. The problem is with parents.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I agree the main problem is with parents. I don't disagree about that

 

[Draka]

Actually, upon finding out what Bieber really said sounds to me like he's a pretty tolerant and accepting kid. So what he used the word "decision"? He said it doesn't affect him and shouldn't affect anyone else. Appears that whether he believes orientation is a choice thing or not he's promoting tolerance. Now how in the world could that be a bad thing for a "role model" to do?

 

[turk179]

Actually, upon finding out what Bieber really said sounds to me like he's a pretty tolerant and accepting kid. So what he used the word "decision"? He said it doesn't affect him and shouldn't affect anyone else. Appears that whether he believes orientation is a choice thing or not he's promoting tolerance. Now how in the world could that be a bad thing for a "role model" to do?

Yeah. This is what he is being vilified for: "When asked what his views on homosexuality are, Bieber responded: “It’s everyone’s own decision to do that. It doesn’t affect me and shouldn’t affect anyone else.”
This thread is ridiculous. Making a kid look like a bad guy because he said homosexuality shouldn't affect anyone else is ridiculous. Whether homosexuality is a choice is a completely wasted argument. It doesn't and shouldn't matter. If i'm attracted to men it shouldn't be anyone's business other than my own. Whether it was my choice or by genetic trait or social upbringing, deal with it.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Arguing that homosexuality is a choice enables those who label it as perverse or unnatural

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Besides I did point out several times that this thread isn't necessarily about just Bieber. It's about the conservative role models the media picks for children

 

[Draka]

Besides I did point out several times that this thread isn't necessarily about just Bieber. It's about the conservative role models the media picks for children

Then why is the very name of this thread "Justin Bieber doesn't like Gays"? Never once did he say such a thing. You seemed to criticize him for an opinion that he doesn't even hold and then admonish him as a "role model". Besides, no media form I have seen has come out and said that anyone should hold Bieber as some role model. People decide who they consider a role model for themselves, not the media.

 

[Father Heathen]

Don't worry, pop stars have short shelf life. He'll be washed up and forgotten soon enough.

 

[Father Heathen]

People decide who they consider a role model for themselves, not the media.

Unfortunately media has a lot of influence on our cultural perspectives and social attitudes. Just observe any average teenybopper for an extended amount of time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What's a bieber?

 

[KnightOwl]

Think about it Revoltingist- Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, the Jonas Brothers, all from conservative Christian families

Don't forget Katy Perry - also from a conservative Christian family.

:disco:

 

[Revoltingest]

It's terrible that some like Justin Bieber is allowed to hold incorrect views & even express them publicly.
There must be restrictions imposed upon such misanthropes! We need good solid tolerant liberals.....like Charlie Sheen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aSa4tmVNM
It's best if people understand that celebrities are just people, with many different & 'imperfect' beliefs.
The solution? Don't treat'm as role models.

I continually smirk at the thought of people taking this Bieber guy seriously.

 

[Apex]

Arguing that homosexuality is a choice enables those who label it as perverse or unnatural

Then why don't you blame those who label it as perverse instead of those who are actually practicing tolerance?

 

[LuisDantas]

We all should learn that people are capable of holding wrong views. Particularly in their early teens.

 

[Dezzie]

Think about it Revoltingist- Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, the Jonas Brothers, all from conservative Christian families

It's funny you mention these people... reason being is because a lot of the younger kids who listened to Miley Cyrus and the others, stopped liking them because they (the performers) were too "promiscuous"... I don't know the Jonas Brothers but I know that for the other two, it's happened plenty of times. It seems like "children" in the industry grow up very fast. All their younger fans tend to move away from them and look for something else. This doesn't go for everyone of course but it does happen.

As for this Justin Beiber situation... there are plenty of other people in the World that think the same way he does. If we are worried about Justin Beiber, we should be worried about the other people too. Just because he is on TV, it doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to say what he feels (since plenty of other people say it too... the kids our children hang out with could think the same way). I don't necessarily agree with his way of thinking but... there really isn't anything you can do about it. Also... more people (in my opinion) should be worried about the way the media glamorizes being thin and wearing expensive clothing... and having money... and expensive cars... and "bling". You see famous people messing up their lives everyday because they worry about things they shouldn't be worrying about, and doing things in front of the camera that they shouldn't be doing... but that's just my opinion.

 

[Jacksnyte]

Taken from: Justin Bieber: being gay is a decision and abortion is wrong - PinkNews.co.uk

So what do you make of this? Should parents let their children be influenced by someone like this?

Methinks he doth protest too much!