Kari Lake Endorses Anti-Semitic GOP Candidate

[Debater Slayer]

I can't wait for 2024 elections to see republicans win.
They are gaining attraction with language which everybody understands (aka. populism)

Are antisemitic language and messaging a good thing to have in any society? What makes you want Republicans to win, at least in this specific context that discusses vitriolic remarks about Jews and LGBT people from a Republican politician?

 

[paradox]

What makes you want Republicans to win

They're conservative party and represent my world view.

Are antisemitic language and messaging a good thing to have in any society?

I don't agree with their anti-semitic comments since I have absolutely nothing against Jews but I don't really care what they say about LGBT.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I don't agree with their anti-semitic comments since I have absolutely nothing against Jews but I don't really care what they say about LGBT.

Is your disagreement about their antisemitic comments enough to make you consider not voting for them? Also, why the apathy concerning anti-LGBT rhetoric? Are they somehow less deserving of respect and rights as citizens than other groups?

 

[exchemist]

I see a difference between praising a specific action and describing a person of questionable morals and a spotty record as "honorable," "respectable," etc., based on that specific action. There's a fine line between giving credit where it is due and exaggerating the weight of one action so much that it clouds a person's dubious record.

What's the evidence of this exaggeration you speak of? Can you provide examples?

 

[Debater Slayer]

What's the evidence of this exaggeration you speak of? Can you provide examples?

One example from a piece in a notable outlet:

In praise of Liz Cheney. May we have more politicians like her | Robert Reich

Also:

Joe Walsh, a former U.S. representative, predicted in a tweet Monday that Cheney will lose the primary "by a lot" but added that "she will lose with her honor & integrity intact."

"She'll lose as an American hero who defended her country & her Constitution," he wrote. "She'll lose as a woman of immense courage, standing alone in a party of cowards. Thank you Liz."

Liz Cheney praised for fighting Trump's MAGA ahead of likely primary loss

Someone might argue that I'm picky about the choice of words above, and they'd be free to do so. I do believe one should be extremely careful in how they word and clarify their praise for someone who has contributed to such significant, large-scale loss of life as Cheney has. No amount of demarcating the praise to clarify it is for her actions rather than her overall character would be excessive in my view.

 

[F1fan]

In an election, however, one-issue voting seems to me quite lacking in nuance. Praising someone for their stand on a single issue instead of considering the whole picture before casting a vote is often problematic.

That is true in a broad sense, but irrelevant in the context of the praise Cheney is getting from democrats and the minority of republicans nationwide. Cheney only got about 33% of republicans in Wyoming. The nuance of consideration has less pressure of those outside of Wyoming and also among democrats.

I have seen people justify support for Trump because of his positions on singular issues without taking into account his record as a whole. Consequently, they give too little weight to his bigotry, corruption, and tribalism.

Sure, it was just bland disagreements over policies and Trump was ethical, the whole issue of Trump would be vastly different. Trump is just so massively corrupt that it's way beyond reasonable and acceptable to support him at this point. Cheney has a history of questionable policy decisions, but that is arguably within the debate of politics. Hilary gets criticized heavily too. These days of republicans selling out to Trumpism it is rare for any to stand up against the pressure. They continue to be the fly in Trump's ointment. It forces conservative voters to make hard choices. One of my uber conservative Facebook friends posted a cartoon of Cheney being booted from the House, and he wrote "Good riddance". I wrote a comment asking him if he will vote for a democrat if Cheney wins the 2024 presidential nomination. I think he got my point.

 

[paradox]

Is your disagreement about their antisemitic comments enough to make you consider not voting for them?

antisemitism is certainly negative for their reputation but there is no alternative party, they're still conservative.
btw. my opinion is probably not relevant because I can't vote since I don't live in the US but still American politics does impact outside world in some areas and for this reason it concerns me.

Also, why the apathy concerning anti-LGBT rhetoric?

Sorry, no sympathy for something which I see as immoral and repulsive.

 

[Ashoka]

Sorry, no sympathy for something which I see as immoral and repulsive.

This is exactly what I was talking about in an earlier thread. Christians and other bigots may not always want us dead, but that doesn't stop them from believing we are "repulsive" and "immoral." We may not be worthy of death, but they'll verbally abuse us until we do it to ourselves, then stand back and wonder why it happened.

 

[paradox]

This is exactly what I was talking about in an earlier thread. Christians and other bigots may not always want us dead, but that doesn't stop them from believing we are "repulsive" and "immoral." We may not be worthy of death, but they'll verbally abuse us until we do it to ourselves, then stand back and wonder why it happened.

If you are right, you have no need to be angry.

 

[Ashoka]

If you are right, you have no need to be angry.

I would not be angry as much if people who hold these beliefs did not try to put them into law.

 

[Shaul]

This is a stretch. She endorsed a candidate who said things that might be misinterpreted when taken out of context. This appears to be an effort from the Katie Hobbs campaign as deflection. This because she apologized for discrimination against minorities after being sued. Katie Hobbs apologizes, acknowledges discrimination in staffer firing

 

[metis]

They're conservative party and represent my world view.

Not now they ain't, and part of the proof of that is that they dumped Cheney who has had over a 90% pro-conservative voting record, whereas most of what Trump pushed for was simply not conservative.

 

[SkepticThinker]

antisemitism is certainly negative for their reputation but there is no alternative party, they're still conservative.
btw. my opinion is probably not relevant because I can't vote since I don't live in the US but still American politics does impact outside world in some areas and for this reason it concerns me.


Sorry, no sympathy for something which I see as immoral and repulsive.

Why do you view people from the LGBTQ community as "immoral and repulsive?"

 

[paradox]

Why do you view people from the LGBTQ community as "immoral and repulsive?"

I think the best way to answer this is that you let me transfer my mental image into your brain:
It's similar how you see pedophilia immoral and repulsive.