Isn't it a bit against its own morals for Buddhism or Hinduism to believe in Karma, since Karma is merely revenge in itself?
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Karma is Eye for an Eye
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Student of X
Paradigm Shifter
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
If karma is revenge, who is punishing who?
What does "an eye for an eye" have to do with revenge?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
That's what I'd like to know. Isn't the "eye for and eye" concept highly mitigatory, given the law at the time?
chinu
chinu
Karma is revenge taken by time not man.
For example: One man killed another one for the sake of money, property etc.. and further that died man came becoming his son in his next birth and again becamed the ower and enjoyed his money and property back, and when in old age his father was sick, he didn't took care properly and the father died.
So in this case both of them don't know anything.
Its nature that " where there is desire,there gets birth again"
Because when at the end one is thinking of its enemy to take revenge, this revenge becomes the reason of next birth in enemie's house.
Well.. this is a very minor example of this process of nature, its impossible to understand the whole process of nature and how it works, But its always positive, or it can never be wrong.
I think it's less of a vengeful thing than one of life's
teaching-tools to help the one experiencing it gain a deeper
understanding.
One example I can think of is when we were living overseas,
and we got in the habit of removing the windshield-wipers
from our car whenever we parked in the city, because it was
common for the locals to steal the wipers and re-sell them.
Some friends of ours called us paranoid for doing this. Not
long after that, their wipers got stolen.
Such incidents don't have to be seen as punishment so much
as life's way of saying, "Well, here ... let's experience
first-hand why such precautions might be useful in the
future." I think some people (such as myself, oftentimes)
learn more quickly from actual immersion in the experience
than they would if things remained as merely theoretical
concepts.
As an aside, regarding the idea of karma not catching up to
a person until the next life, I'm not convinced of that
personally. I just think that if the purpose of karma is to
teach a lesson, such lessons would be best learned within
the same life-span, when the individual can still make the
connection between their error and the karma-kickback. I
don't see the efficiency in such lessons waiting until a future
life, when the person will no longer understand why they're
going through it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the "you'll
get yours in the next life" concept is more to comfort those
who aren't seeing the other guy get what (they think) is
coming to him within a time-frame they would like, when
they can personally witness it. What folks don't realize is
that karma can work behind the scenes in less visible ways
that only the one for whom it's intended can appreciate.
Just my opinion, of course!
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Karma, when you hurt another, your fate is to get hurt as well in time. Sounds like revenge to me.
Ever seen My Name Is Earl? Funny show.
Yeah, but I don't watch it much.
Doesn't matter if it is a person or not?
What's the difference?
Does it matter what does it? Whether it's nature or another man, there's still some force doing it, getting back at your "crime"Karma is revenge taken by time not man.
For example: One man killed another one for the sake of money, property etc.. and further that died man came becoming his son in his next birth and again becamed the ower and enjoyed his money and property back, and when in old age his father was sick, he didn't took care properly and the father died.
So in this case both of them don't know anything.
Its nature that " where there is desire,there gets birth again"
Because when at the end one is thinking of its enemy to take revenge, this revenge becomes the reason of next birth in enemie's house.
Well.. this is a very minor example of this process of nature, its impossible to understand the whole process of nature and how it works, But its always positive, or it can never be wrong.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Karma, when you hurt another, your fate is to get hurt as well in time. Sounds like revenge to me.
Yeah, but I don't watch it much.
Doesn't matter if it is a person or not?
What's the difference?
Does it matter what does it? Whether it's nature or another man, there's still some force doing it, getting back at your "crime"
If you cut down a tree and one day trip over the stump, is the tree getting revenge on you? Is the world? Are you?
no-body
Well-Known Member
You are anthropomorphizing karma. Karma is cause and effect, karma is a law like gravity. There is nothing personal in karma; it is not a cosmic justice with a clear set of rules to adhere to. You can try and manipulate karma but the point of most eastern religions is to escape its wheel in the first place.
Someone mentioned my name is earl because that is the kind of karma you are thinking of. This version is very popular in the west sorry but karma is not as easy as "what goes around comes around" and "do good things good things happen, do bad things bad things happen" Read up on karma, it is much more complex than that.
Someone mentioned my name is earl because that is the kind of karma you are thinking of. This version is very popular in the west sorry but karma is not as easy as "what goes around comes around" and "do good things good things happen, do bad things bad things happen" Read up on karma, it is much more complex than that.
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An example of complexity is the circle analogy A hits B, B hits C, C hits D, D shoves E with the same impact as a hit, then E returns it to A, over 3 lifetimes.
Another is money: 4 quarters, a dolllar bill, or 100 pennies all have the same value. So you can work out a dollars worth of karma from one very intense experience by having 100 less intense experiences in return.
Another is money: 4 quarters, a dolllar bill, or 100 pennies all have the same value. So you can work out a dollars worth of karma from one very intense experience by having 100 less intense experiences in return.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Revenge is intentional retaliation by someone wronged. Karma is cosmic and personal balance. The wronged have nothing to do with your karma. It's negative and positive balancing out. You give out negative into the world and negative must return to you. Same goes with positive as well. None of that is "revenge".
Yeah revenge implies personal interest. I caused the result. Karma is just cause and reaction. Think of life as a balance beam if you do bad the balance beam tips keep doing bad and eventually something falls off the balance beam and it becomes balanced again. Karma is just how the balance beam becomes balanced again.
Karma is.
Yes, and they don't believe in revenge.
Will reply to other three posts in time, have to go now.
Karma is not simply cause and effect, and it certainly isn't revenge. There's an example I like to use:
What did Helen Keller do in a past life that her karma was so bad and vengeful that she was born blind, deaf and mute? It may very well be that her karma for this life was not revenge, but a continuation of some good works she did in a previous life. Her work, whatever other kind it was, may not have been completed. How many millions of deaf and blind people did she do good for in this life?
Is the karma of an abused animal revenge for its past life when a person is spurred on to rescue that animal, and perhaps others?
What did Helen Keller do in a past life that her karma was so bad and vengeful that she was born blind, deaf and mute? It may very well be that her karma for this life was not revenge, but a continuation of some good works she did in a previous life. Her work, whatever other kind it was, may not have been completed. How many millions of deaf and blind people did she do good for in this life?
Is the karma of an abused animal revenge for its past life when a person is spurred on to rescue that animal, and perhaps others?