Kinda told you so...

[BSM1]

Can you provide a confirming source for this story? I've looked, but I can't find anything. And, the Washington Times is the conservative version of the New York Times, so I don't trust anything they claim without verification.

China sees difficulty meeting 2017 air quality targets: minister

The problem with the Paris agreement is that it never was binding for China and the other major polluters in the world. Trump pulled out because it targeted US manufactures unfairly.

 

[leibowde84]

China sees difficulty meeting 2017 air quality targets: minister

The problem with the Paris agreement is that it never was binding for China and the other major polluters in the world. Trump pulled out because it targeted US manufactures unfairly.

Yet, as you say, it was completely voluntary. So, what was the harm in staying in it?

 

[Revoltingest]

NYC will be under water.....

I can live with that.
Daughter could move back to Revoltistan.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Population control is something which people will
definitely face, & hoo boy.....will the arguing be vicious.

why arge
Why not have a war league where nations play war for a year at a time, against another nation. with 2,000,000 each. fighters armed only with maxim guns.... they were very effective in reducing numbers in the WW1. the winner to be allowed 1000 births next year.

 

[BSM1]

Yet, as you say, it was completely voluntary. So, what was the harm in staying in it?

If I am not mistaken, we had to commit to the ramifications of the treaty (which, btw, the anti-pollution effort in the US was and is above most of the industrialized nations). You can see the results of the treaty in China, India, and Russia. Their manufacturing based was not limited to the stringent dictates that these countries wished to place on other western countries. They keep pumping out goods with total disregard to the environment. Do the math.

 

[BSM1]

I can live with that.
Daughter could move back to Revoltistan.

You sayin' Lakes Erie and Michigan will suffer no residual rising water levels?

 

[Revoltingest]

You sayin' Lakes Erie and Michigan will suffer no residual rising water levels?

Nope.
I checked the Nat Geo flooding map....really!

 

[BSM1]

Nope.
I checked the Nat Geo flooding map....really!

Not surprised...I'll sleep better now.

 

[leibowde84]

If I am not mistaken, we had to commit to the ramifications of the treaty (which, btw, the anti-pollution effort in the US was and is above most of the industrialized nations). You can see the results of the treaty in China, India, and Russia. Their manufacturing based was not limited to the stringent dictates that these countries wished to place on other western countries. They keep pumping out goods with total disregard to the environment. Do the math.

But, since it was voluntary for the U.S. to follow these restrictions (restrictions not mandatory), what was the harm in staying with it and trying to improve it?

 

[BSM1]

But, since it was voluntary for the U.S. to follow these restrictions (restrictions not mandatory), what was the harm in staying with it and trying to improve it?

You seriously think China, India, Russia, et al, really care about working with us on this? They demonstrably don't even care about their own citizens when it comes to air pollution.

 

[leibowde84]

You seriously think China, India, Russia, et al, really care about working with us on this? They demonstrably don't even care about their own citizens when it comes to air pollution.

Nevertheless, what is there to gain from leaving the agreement? If it was non-binding, there really was no reason to go out of our way to leave it.

 

[metis]

You seriously think China, India, Russia, et al, really care about working with us on this? They demonstrably don't even care about their own citizens when it comes to air pollution.

If my memory is correct, I believe that China is spending about six times more $ on green energy than we here in the States are, and India also is spending more.

 

[Thief]

???

yeah....saw the photo in Nat Geo
a woman gathering water in a stream
and the factory in the background with no dumping regulation

China does not have environmental protection
last I heard anyway

 

[Tmac]

Population control is something which people will
definitely face, & hoo boy.....will the arguing be vicious.

You sound like you are waiting for a show.

Interesting isn't it, we created society so that we would survive and now society has demands.

No, you are wrong, China is already working on that problem and its giving them fits like Communism did in the ex Soviet Union.

The problem is we treat children like children and they grow up to become big, old children.

 

[Revoltingest]

You sound like you are waiting for a show.

Interesting isn't it, we created society so that we would survive and now society has demands.

No, you are wrong, China is already working on that problem and its giving them fits like Communism did in the ex Soviet Union.

The problem is we treat children like children and they grow up to become big, old children.

I'm well aware of China's history of population control.
But the rest of the world, especially Americastan will see bitter & b***hurt
debates about the how of accomplishing it. Imagine the impassioned cries...
"Racism! Genocide! Privilege! God's Will! Et cetera!"

 

[Tmac]

I'm well aware of China's history of population control.
But the rest of the world, especially Americastan will see bitter & b***hurt
debates about the how of accomplishing it. Imagine the impassioned cries...
"Racism! Genocide! Privilege! God's Will! Et cetera!"

Okay, it's like this, you and I are in a continuation(we haven yet determined how we got here but we know we're in it) and within this continuation we see possible outcomes(many more beside the human footprint) and we decide to stop something that was in effect that allowed us to exist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay, it's like this, you and I are in a continuation(we haven yet determined how we got here but we know we're in it) and within this continuation we see possible outcomes(many more beside the human footprint) and we decide to stop something that was in effect that allowed us to exist.

To clarify...
I don't plan to stop reproduction. (Fat chance of that, eh.)
I don't even plan to stop over-population. But I recognize that
eventually mankind will face the fact that unless it's curbed,
our quality of life will wither in the face of crowded conditions,
loss of natural environment, & generally fouling our own nest.
I just observe, & look to the future. I don't influence it.

 

[Tmac]

To clarify...
I don't plan to stop reproduction. (Fat chance of that, eh.)
I don't even plan to stop over-population. But I recognize that
eventually mankind will face the fact that unless it's curbed,
our quality of life will wither in the face of crowded conditions,
loss of natural environment, & generally fouling our own nest.
I just observe, & look to the future. I don't influence it.

Actually you are wrong, your flame to influence maybe guarded and trimmed to the minimum because you are aware of the responsibilities that come with the leadership but I have heard you.
I get the feeling that you don't think this future is within your life time or that it won't reach your doorstep in your lifetime.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually you are wrong, your flame to influence maybe guarded and trimmed to the minimum because you are aware of the responsibilities that come with the leadership but I have heard you.

Wrong about what?

I get the feeling that you don't think this future is within your life time or that it won't reach your doorstep in your lifetime.

I'm 64. I don't even buy green bananas.
So no...the greater horrors of over-population will happen long after my death.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

You sayin' Lakes Erie and Michigan will suffer no residual rising water levels?

we had record low levels a few years ago, which many blamed on -guess what- now we are up to near record highs.

spooky, it's almost as if weather changes naturally, without even angering Gaia