Knowing God, Knowing You and I

[Fool]

Jeremiah 31:34

and

Hebrews 8:11

both state that at some point no one will have to teach someone else to know god, or how to know god. they will know her for himself.

If this is true, then how can a non-christian, know god without becoming christian, or a non-what-ever-major-religion, know god without becoming that particular organized religion?

On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

 

[Spice]

Both passages refer to God and His laws being placed upon the hearts of man, as also written in Romans 2:12-16. James 4:17 backs this up. Jesus taught that the Kingdom was in our midst, as in our hearts, where God abides with us. He also taught over and over that if we seek, we will find; if we ask, we will be given, etc. James 1:5,6 tells us if we want to know anything, just ask God . . . or IOW, look within ourselves.

I think as our communities broaden and we are exposed to more views that stir the mind, mankind will grow more independent in thought and will be more apt to have "ears to hear" God speak from within . . . no "religion" required, as in the beginning.

 

[Sunstone]

If this is true, then how can a non-christian, know god without becoming christian, or a non-what-ever-major-religion, know god without becoming that particular organized religion?

I think by "knowing god", you are referring to mystical experiences? If so, you are assuming that such experiences can be had only through a religion when in truth such experiences come to non-religious people too.

 

[Fool]

I think by "knowing god", you are referring to mystical experiences? If so, you are assuming that such experiences can be had only through a religion when in truth such experiences come to non-religious people too.

Happy!! HAPPY!!! Birthday!!!!

understood, but that is the question i'm posing to most of the religious establishment. the statement implies that no major religion, or minor, or even a religion in fact is necessary to grasp the knowing.

so then what is this thing called god; if not definitely religious?

 

[Fool]

Both passages refer to God and His laws being placed upon the hearts of man, as also written in Romans 2:12-16. James 4:17 backs this up. Jesus taught that the Kingdom was in our midst, as in our hearts, where God abides with us. He also taught over and over that if we seek, we will find; if we ask, we will be given, etc. James 1:5,6 tells us if we want to know anything, just ask God . . . or IOW, look within ourselves.

I think as our communities broaden and we are exposed to more views that stir the mind, mankind will grow more independent in thought and will be more apt to have "ears to hear" God speak from within . . . no "religion" required, as in the beginning.

so then if god is instilled in the heart, can an atheist know in their own way without becoming christian?

knowing thyself?

 

[Sunstone]

Happy!! HAPPY!!! Birthday!!!!

Thank you so much!

so then what is this thing called god; if not definitely religious?

I have no idea what god is other than a mystery, and I'm inclined to think god will always be a mystery.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Jeremiah 31:34

and

Hebrews 8:11

both state that at some point no one will have to teach someone else to know god, or how to know god. they will know her for himself.

If this is true, then how can a non-christian, know god without becoming christian, or a non-what-ever-major-religion, know god without becoming that particular organized religion?

On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

My only explanation is that faith opens the door to understanding of the world that was and the world which will come when God's world coincides with our world again.

 

[Fool]

I have no idea what god is other than a mystery, and I'm inclined to think god will always be a mystery.

rev 8:1


If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.

 

[Fool]

My only explanation is that faith opens the door to understanding of the world that was and the world which will come when God's world coincides with our world again.

straight and narrow is the way through the eye of the needle?


maybe when we align ourselves to being of service to all, then our religion isn't exclusive to serving self?


James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I think by "knowing god", you are referring to mystical experiences? If so, you are assuming that such experiences can be had only through a religion when in truth such experiences come to non-religious people too.

Still gotta choose the right side.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

straight and narrow is the way through the eye of the needle?


maybe when we align ourselves to being of service to all, then our religion isn't exclusive to serving self?


James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Got no problem with that.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

so then if god is instilled in the heart, can an atheist know in their own way without becoming christian?

knowing thyself?

All one has to do is shed the perception of duality. This is where faith operates.

 

[Sunstone]

Still gotta choose the right side.

That strikes me as an extraordinary claim. How would one know it to be true?

 

[savagewind]

so then if god is instilled in the heart, can an atheist know in their own way without becoming christian?

knowing thyself?

The Bible says yes, they can. Romans 2:14

 

[Fool]

The Bible says yes, they can. Romans 2:14

so then those who look for god apart from self, are they not like the gentiles in action? but they only identify themselves as different in name?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That strikes me as an extraordinary claim. How would one know it to be true?

Wait and see is all I can suggest. Whether it's a sanctioned mystical experience or Not, what else can we go by but what we know or induce? All around us we see sides to be chosen. Good and evil.
Do you know a way around that?

 

[Sunstone]

Wait and see is all I can suggest. Whether it's a sanctioned mystical experience or Not, what else can we go by but what we know or induce? All around us we see sides to be chosen. Good and evil.
Do you know a way around that?

Good and evil strike me as superficial concepts referring to no ontological existence.

 

[savagewind]

so then those who look for god apart from self, are they not like the gentiles in action? but they only identify themselves as different in name?

I do not know, but what a good question! Good question.

I have seen the backwards world. You too?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

The Bible says yes, they can. Romans 2:14

Astute observation.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Jeremiah 31:34

and

Hebrews 8:11

both state that at some point no one will have to teach someone else to know god, or how to know god. they will know her for himself.

If this is true, then how can a non-christian, know god without becoming christian, or a non-what-ever-major-religion, know god without becoming that particular organized religion?

On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

Even if you are brought up regularly attending a specific church, everyone comes to their own independent conclusion at some point. Faith has to be personal, ultimately, does it not?