Knowing God

[shunyadragon]

This is directly related to the topic and your bogus claim that you explore your religion independently. You dont know your theology, or other peoples theologies. So your claim is just bogus. You have no clue about your own faith but you go preaching it. Where is your so called independent study?

Tell me. I asked you since you pretended to be a master of Islam, about Wajib al wujood/ Actually I told you about it. Not ask.

So could you tell me "Why its not related to the original issues of the thread"? Can you explain? At least ask someone or just search the internet prior to saying "no meaning" without "Knowing the meaning".

Dis not cite me properly nor address the topic of the thread.

 

[firedragon]

I dont know what it means concerning the topic of the thread.

If you dont know the meaning, why do you say it has no meaning?

 

[firedragon]

Dis not cite me properly nor address the topic of the thread.

Shunyadragons point.

1. I dont know the meaning
2. But it has no meaning.

 

[shunyadragon]

Shunyadragons point.

1. I dont know the meaning
2. But it has no meaning.

IT is your posts that lack meaning and relevance to the thread purpose.

 

[shunyadragon]

If you dont know the meaning, why do you say it has no meaning?

IT is your posts that lack meaning and relevance to the thread purpose.

 

[firedragon]

IT is your posts that lack meaning and relevance to the thread purpose.

Without knowing the meaning of anything I said, how do you know it has no meaning to the OP?

You just wanna say "no", and you are pretending you have done "independent study" as you claimed.

You dont even know your own scripture.

Tsk. Tsk. Very bad.

 

[shunyadragon]

Without knowing the meaning of anything I said, how do you know it has no meaning to the OP?

You just wanna say "no", and you are pretending you have done "independent study" as you claimed.

You dont even know your own scripture.

Tsk. Tsk. Very bad.

IT is your posts that lack meaning and relevance to the thread purpose.

 

[firedragon]

IT is your posts that lack meaning and relevance to the thread purpose.

So the bahai's being "Independent explorers" (While you demonstrated you have no clue of your own theology) is relevant to the threads purpose?

Islam and its so called "violence" is relevant to the threads purpose?

But see, I spoke of Waajibul Wujood. That means the necessary being, and that's the philosophical argument for God such a long long time ago.

You say its not relevant to the thread, because "You never knew the meaning". But you pretended!!!! Way to go.

 

[shunyadragon]

Without knowing the meaning of anything I said, how do you know it has no meaning to the OP?

You just wanna say "no", and you are pretending you have done "independent study" as you claimed.

You dont even know your own scripture.

Tsk. Tsk. Very bad.

IT is your posts that lack meaning and relevance to the thread purpose.

Tsk. Tsk. Very bad.

 

[stanberger]

How can John and Jesus be equals if John says, 'one mightier than I cometh'? In John's Gospel, John is recorded as saying, 'I saw, and bear record that this is the Son of God' [John 1:34]. Is Muhammad the Son of God? Does the Qur'an not say that God has no Son?

bart erman ' none of the gospels were even written by any of the 4 apostles'. take with a grain of salt

 

[Redemptionsong]

bart erman ' none of the gospels were even written by any of the 4 apostles'. take with a grain of salt

Thankfully, the canon of scripture has been established for centuries and the real challenge for sceptical scholars is to demonstrate that Jesus is not the Christ, and that the Holy Spirit is not a reality!

P.S. Their time is running out.

 

[KWED]

bart erman ' none of the gospels were even written by any of the 4 apostles'. take with a grain of salt

There were 12 apostles.
I see your knowledge of Christianity is as flawed as your knowledge of Islam.

 

[KWED]

Thankfully, the canon of scripture has been established for centuries and the real challenge for sceptical scholars is to demonstrate that Jesus is not the Christ, and that the Holy Spirit is not a reality!

P.S. Their time is running out.

There is very little in the Bible that is generally accepted as historically accurate by historians. And there is zero evidence for any of the magical claims therein.
The reality is that apologists struggle to provide any sound basis for belief in any of the supernatural claims by Christianity. It is all just faith-based assertions.

 

[Redemptionsong]

There is very little in the Bible that is generally accepted as historically accurate by historians. And there is zero evidence for any of the magical claims therein.
The reality is that apologists struggle to provide any sound basis for belief in any of the supernatural claims by Christianity. It is all just faith-based assertions.

I strongly disagree on both points.

There is plenty of history in the Bible that can checked against other historical sources.

As for 'magical' claims, well, the Bible is not a book of magical arts. It's a book that claims God as its authority. God does not do magic, but he is able to create, and re-create, at will. This re-creation of what is broken is often termed 'miraculous' but to God the healing process is 'part and parcel' of his loving intervention on behalf of his faithful servants.

IMO.

 

[stanberger]

Please tell me your a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. I have not met a Non-LDS Christian that holds any of these scriptures seriously because of Sola Scriptura and Faith alone not works lead to salvation, the trinity as taught by the creeds, etc.

paul and satan shared same mantra ' god is not one. good deeds useless'

 

[sayak83]

The scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit is central to a person’s adoption as a child of God [Romans 8:15-17].



God is one [Deut. 6:4; Gal. 3:20]

God is (a) Spirit [John 4:24]

They that believe on him [Jesus Christ] receive the Spirit [John 7:39]

He that is joined to the Lord [Jesus Christ] is one spirit [1 Cor. 6:17]

They must worship him [God] in spirit and in truth [John 4:24]



Ephesians 2:18

‘For through him [Jesus Christ] we both [Jew and Gentile] have access by one Spirit [the Holy Spirit] unto the Father.’

John 14:6

‘no man cometh unto the Father, but by me [Jesus Christ]’

Philippians 2:2

‘Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.’

Ephesians 4:4-6

‘Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.’



True fellowship, peace, and unity, (we are told) comes through the indwelling Holy Spirit.



Q: Can any person claim to know God if he/she does not know, and follow, Christ through the indwelling Holy Spirit, received by grace?

Yes. Because in my view a truer knowledge of the ultimate reality can be had from other scriptures like the Gita.

 

[Five Solas]

There is very little in the Bible that is generally accepted as historically accurate by historians. And there is zero evidence for any of the magical claims therein.
The reality is that apologists struggle to provide any sound basis for belief in any of the supernatural claims by Christianity. It is all just faith-based assertions.

Those who are not Christians have a hard time believing anything written in the Scriptures - obviously.

Christians believe that biblical accounts are accurate, reliable, and inspired.

It is only non-believers that doubt everything so sweeping statements like this simply imply no faith in God...

 

[KWED]

Those who are not Christians have a hard time believing anything written in the Scriptures - obviously.

Christians believe that biblical accounts are accurate, reliable, and inspired.

It is only non-believers that doubt everything so sweeping statements like this simply imply no faith in God...

Sceptics doubt the magical claims in the Bible because of lack of evidence for, plus evidence against.
Christians believe the magical claims because of childhood indoctrination, wishful thinking, failure to apply critical analysis, etc...
Same applies to the followers of all religions.

 

[Five Solas]

Sceptics doubt the magical claims in the Bible because of lack of evidence for, plus evidence against.
Christians believe the magical claims because of childhood indoctrination, wishful thinking, failure to apply critical analysis, etc...
Same applies to the followers of all religions.

No faith in God leads to denying and/or doubting everything the Bible says. Simple as that. I do not expect anything else.

PS Not all Christians grew up in Christian homes. That rules out indoctrination and confirms faith.

 

[KWED]

No faith in God leads to denying and/or doubting everything the Bible says. Simple as that. I do not expect anything else.

Not quite.
Lack of belief in gods leads to scepticism over the extraordinary claims in the Bible. Lack of any evidence to support those claims simply justifies that scepticism.
It is the approach most people have towards most extraordinary claims. It's just that religion seems to expect a free pass.

PS Not all Christians grew up in Christian homes. That rules out indoctrination and confirms faith.

The vast majority did, which supports childhood indoctrination.
The simple fact is that most religionists believe in the god they were taught to believe in as a child, whatever the religion. And they claim to know their belief is the one true one. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.