That was a recall election.
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KY County Clerk could be held in contempt of court for refusing to issue marriage licenses
- Thread starter leibowde84
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If the governor would initiate impeachment proceedings Kentucky could put all this behind them.
Apparently he doesn't think conservative Christians are too big on law and order. He thinks enforcement of the law in Rowan county would be detrimental to his election campaign.
Tom
In California, it's quite easy to recall elected officials (as well as put citizen initiatives on the ballot), compared to most of the other states; in fact, in a few states, it is impossible to have a recall, no matter how many people sign petitions and demand it, because there is no provision in their constitutions--just as there is none at the national level. In many states, the only option for removal from office is impeachment by the legislature.
They are trying to make an example of her, but it isn't working out that way. Instead she is becoming a hero. If they would have done a recall election on her, like they did Gray Davis, I doubt it would have caused this kind of stir. It still would have made the news, but putting her in jail turns her into a modern day Robin Hood.
Who is They? It's simple: The people (in this case, the citizens of that county in Kentucky). The people were the ones who elected her in the first place. The government works for the people (us), not the other way around. We, in California, did not like the way Gray Davis (also called Gray-out Davis) did his job, so we had the recall and elected someone else.
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As I said earlier, the government works for we who put them in office, not the other way around.
And the governor of Kentucky could get that under way.
But he hasn't, and doesn't seem inclined to start.
This appears to be a result of holding his finger up to the prevailing social winds and deciding that conservative Christians don't much care for the rule of law. They want a theocracy.
Tom
Well, I wouldn't know. I don't live in Kentucky nor anywhere near it nor am I all that interested in politics. All I know is that people are making too much out of a clerk. She isn't the mayor, the city council, etc. Just a clerk. I am making too much of her, and so are the rest of us. Putting her in jail is building her up even more, giving her more attention. There are other clerks who could have done the job, but in trying to make an example out of her, the opposite has apparently happened instead, at least to some people. There is no denying that. This thread partially proves my point.
I am no longer going to discuss her. I didn't even know here name until yesterday.
I understand you are ending this discussion but I will add to it. I don't expect a reply.
I welcome her defiance of the law and those that side with her ideals. I hope this highlights how religion assumes it is the law of land and how it isolates itself from other cultures that do not live the same life style. Not only that but it condemns other cultures with very little facts outside of heresay and speculation. This is absolutely needed to be in the forefront so society can continue to discuss and resolve this. Doing nothing and not continuing the rhetoric is just sweeping it under the rug. It simply won't go away on its own.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Asatru, Wicca, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, and a bunch of other religions do not assume they are the law of the land, they do not isolate themselves from others, and the realize that others live a different lifestyle.
That's a fair assertion and thank you for correcting my generalization.
I also think its fair to assume the types of religion I am referring to when I refer to the condemnation of other cultures. If not then I won't continue that thought and just live with the rebuttal.
As much as I harp against religion, I'm actually very liberal as long as it doesn't tread along the lines of hate and persecution. If it's not hurting society then I have no beef with it. I can't say that with the dominant religions.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's not a fair assumption, as religion is a very broad and very general term. It does seem you are referring to Christians, but using the term "religion" unfairly lumps many together, and unfairly judges the many Christians that are not like her, and they see her actions as foolish and absurd as many on the left generally do. To quote the response of a Catholic lady I know, "she's a *****."
No, she went to jail because she refused to issue the license to a same sex couple. This is discrimination. Period.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I thought the judge made it very clear that the case revolved around her breaking the oath she took. She didn't uphold her oath as a government official, which means she not only broke her oath, she broke the law.
Actually, I don't know the demographic of Christians that truly believe homosexuality is a sin. But if I had to take a guess, I would say most Christians do. Just this very ideal will continue to cause discrimination and segregation. You can't escape the notion that actions come from thought. If you want to fix an action, you have to change the thought, the ideal.
Fairness is too subjective at this point and so you can call me unfair if you like and I will accept it. I still stand by my words. However, I want to be clear that I am criticisizing the fundamental process of religion in that their decision making revolves around heresay and speculation. This is a big free pass for any one in a modern civilized society.
the judge doesn't have that power.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
No, they were riding her around on their shoulders long before she went to jail, it wouldn't have made a difference, they would have made her into a martyr because she's a "victim" of "Christian discrimination". It's all a load of bull.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
You'd like to think so, wouldn't you? It doesn't work that way in practice, unfortunately.
Skwim
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