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Lack of belief in gods.

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
I didn't, until you explained. It is a modified view of solipsism. Nothing more. You can try to rationalize how you know nothing and live in probabilities but the worldview falls to pieces when put under any examination. That is okay. People don't need to have internally consistent worldviews. There is no magical rule that requires this. You can even continue to think that I just don't understand and that is why I don't get it.

But that doesn't change the fact that

To avoid acknowledging that you have faith that x will occur you are saying "I believe x is probable. This would require you to have faith that your assessment of probability will be correct. And to avoid this you must say that it is only probable that your probability is correct. Which means you have faith that that probability assessment is correct, ad infinitum.

This is a problem as it creates an infinite progression.

George, you still don't understand it; and this right here proves you don't understand:

"You can try to rationalize how you know nothing and live in probabilities"

That is not my position. I accept the empirical world through reason, but not through faith. Knowledge or "truth" is an approximation of absolute truth based on the available evidence. It is likely our approximation is wrong in some way, but it is the best we can do. I have said it several times, a practical rational approach; there is no need for "faith" or as you call it "certainty" in anything.

You have not given a reason why a person would need to move from an approximation of truth to a certainty of truth. Your argument fails in the say way Kierkegaard's did: an insistence for a need to make that leap of faith but never justifying that need.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
George, you still don't understand it; and this right here proves you don't understand:

"You can try to rationalize how you know nothing and live in probabilities"

That is not my position. I accept the empirical world through reason, but not through faith. Knowledge or "truth" is an approximation of absolute truth based on the available evidence. It is likely our approximation is wrong in some way, but it is the best we can do. I have said it several times, a practical rational approach; there is no need for "faith" or as you call it "certainty" in anything.

You have not given a reason why a person would need to move from an approximation of truth to a certainty of truth. Your argument fails in the say way Kierkegaard's did: an insistence for a need to make that leap of faith but never justifying that need.
I thought I was quite clear. You cannot get past the Infinite regress without it.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Ya well I doubt you want to even know my thoughts on faith. As I consider what you are peddling as trash faith, and not the real deal.
Sure you can call it trash faith because it is no great leap...just a little one that what is reinforced uncountable times in uncountable ways.

BUT that doesn't mean I don't want to hear your ideas on faith. I enjoy hearing others thoughts on the subject.
 

Thumper

Thank the gods I'm an atheist
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Thumper

Thank the gods I'm an atheist
and this negates the value of the label completely

might as well say nothing
Very true. Just like we don't have a word for people who don't believe without evidence that fairies exist -- "a-fairists"?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
and this negates the value of the label completely

might as well say nothing
The term "atheist" has no less value than the term "non-smoker"... another term that tells you nothing about what a person's position is, but only what they don't do.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Non-smoker tells me what their position is just as smokwe tells me what their position is.
Here are four different positions:

- "Smoking makes everything smell awful."
- "I'm fine with the smell of smoking, but the health effects are too much."
- "I'd love to smoke, but I can't afford it."
- "Smoking? I have no idea what that is."

If I tell you "Brian's a non-smoker", which of these positions would you infer that Brian has taken?
 
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