Lack of belief in gods.

[Cephus]

cause and effect.....

the universe (one word) is the effect

God is the cause

Says who? How do you know? How did you objectively rest your claim?

 

[Thief]

Says who? How do you know? How did you objectively rest your claim?

and you to?.....Brutus?

 

[Thief]

It seem faith is just cruch


Science does not rely on cause and effect. Science relies on the scientific method.

Now own up to your claim that God is the cause. What you are doing now is called a straw man argument. Cause and effect does not prove that God is the cause.

cause and effect justify.....ALL....experimentation

 

[Jeremiahcp]

cause and effect justify.....ALL....experimentation

Not interested, don't care.

You claimed that God was the cause, where is your proof? Why are you dodging the question?

 

[Thief]

Not interested, don't care.

You claimed that God was the cause, where is your proof? Why are you dodging the question?

your apathy and denial do not undo my reasoning

 

[Cephus]

and you to?.....Brutus?

You claimed to have an objectively demonstrable experience, now it rests entirely on your shoulders to prove it. Failure to do so invalidates your claim.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

your apathy and denial do not undo my reasoning

It is not reasoning you are using it is faith. If it was reason you could own up to making an unfalsifiable claim.

 

[Thief]

You claimed to have an objectively demonstrable experience, now it rests entirely on your shoulders to prove it. Failure to do so invalidates your claim.

so do you....look up

substance is not self motivating

God is the Cause

 

[Thief]

It is not reasoning you are using it is faith. If it was reason you could own up to making an unfalsifiable claim.

faith is a by product

not a portion of the cause and effect

 

[Curious George]

so much for science....science relies on it

it is a constant......no denial allowed

Hmmm, I don't think that is necessarily true.

 

[Thief]

Hmmm, I don't think that is necessarily true.

no really......

ALL of science relies on the experiment
and the experiment MUST have cause and effect

for every cause there is an effect
for every effect.....there is a Cause

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I think they type of faith being expressed in this thread is nothing but a crunch for people who don't want to put in the effort to have a real understanding for the world around them. Real faith is not certainty and it does not turn a blind eye to doubt.

“The majority of mankind is lazy-minded, incurious, absorbed in vanities, and tepid in emotion, and is therefore incapable of either much doubt or much faith.” -T.S. Eliot

 

[Thief]

I think they type of faith being expressed in this thread is nothing but a crunch for people who don't want to put in the effort have a real understanding for the world around them. Real faith is not certainty and it does not turn a blind eye to doubt.

i have no doubt
i believe in science

 

[Revoltingest]

Real faith is not certainty and it does not turn a blind eye to doubt.

No, real faith does turn a blind eye towards any doubt.
That's how it remains faith.

 

[Thief]

No, real faith does turn a blind eye towards any doubt.
That's how it remains faith.

no...no...no.....

real faith can see

even if you're blind

 

[Jeremiahcp]

no really......

ALL of science relies on the experiment
and the experiment MUST have cause and effect

for every cause there is an effect
for every effect.....there is a Cause

You really should pick up a science book.

Science relies on the scientific method; it is philosophical approach.


"ALL of science relies on the experiment"

Not all science uses experiments.

 

[Thief]

Not all science uses experiments.

good.....
now go back to the primordial singularity
and apply cause and effect

btw
a gov survey test went through my school when i was 13
my test score in science......superior

I've gotten a lot better since then

 

[Jeremiahcp]

No, real faith does turn a blind eye towards any doubt.
That's how it remains faith.

I agree in the modern world that seems to be the general shape that faith takes on, but I think there may be an argument for another type of faith. I think now-a-days people have become more focused on objectively justifying God than they use to be.

To give you the short and sloppy I am gonna just gonna quote a webpage.

“Who is also aware of the tremendous risk involved in faith – when he nevertheless makes the leap of faith – this [is] subjectivity … at its height.” – Søren Kierkegaard (1813 – 1855)

In a memorable scene from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Indy deduced that the final step across his treacherous path was a leap of faith. And so it is in Kierkegaard’s [wiki] theory of stages of life.

The final stage, the religious stage, requires passionate, subjective belief rather than objective proof, in the paradoxical and the absurd. So, what’s the absurd? That which Christianity asks us to accept as true, that God became man born of a virgin, suffered, died and was resurrected.

Abraham was the ultimate “knight of faith” according to Kierkegaard. Without doubt there is no faith, and so in a state of “fear and trembling” Abraham was willing to break the universal moral law against murder by agreeing to kill his own son, Isaac. God rewarded Abraham’s faith by providing a ram in place of Isaac for the sacrifice. Faith has its rewards, but it isn’t rational. It’s beyond reason. As Blaise Pascal said, “The heart has its reason which reason does not know.”

11 Most Important Philosophical Quotations.

 

[Revoltingest]

no...no...no.....

real faith can see

even if you're blind

Real faith sees, but eschews interpretation which would challenge faith.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

good.....
now go back to the primordial singularity
and apply cause and effect

btw
a gov survey test went through my school when i was 13
my test score in science......superior

I've gotten a lot better since then

"a gov survey test went through my school when i was 13"

You are gonna have to do a lot better than that.