MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
You must count murder by other means. The stated goal of Gun control advocates is to reduce deaths. That is like switching seats on the titanic.
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Las Vegas Shooting
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You must count murder by other means. The stated goal of Gun control advocates is to reduce deaths. That is like switching seats on the titanic.
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MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Its not difficult to get stuff into a motel room. Modern firearms break down, including machine guns. A guy could carry a LOT of firearms in using those suit covers and standard luggage
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That is sort of how this strikes me. No pun intended, believe me.
He was at this for over an hour? Surely there would have been complaints from nearby tenants about the noise prior to the smoke detectors going off? Where was the hotel staff and the police response? Again, I'm not a gun enthusiast, so I don't know about this sort of stuff.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
So, premeditation on steroids. I was reading two firearms experts yesterday and they opined that due to the number of weapons this could not have been a psychotic break due to the level of planning necessary. I can't even image the sea of shell casings on the floor/carpet.
MohammadPali
Active Member
This guy could have invaded poland. Why isn't america ready to repeal the 2nd amendment ? Are we still fighting the British ? You don't even need a full repeal, just have small weapons, you don't need an ak47 or a ar-15 even if its a very low powered gun. Stop with the gun culture bs. Repeal it. Carry bow and arrows, go find another hobby. Guns should be with law enforcement. Why the hell are people carrying SCAR-L or a m249 machine gun with the bi-pod ? We don't need the guns, leave the guns at the range.
Altfish
Veteran Member
You called me out last time but I was talking about gun deaths. Now because I've shown I was correct you move the goal posts.
It is not like switching seats on the Titanic. Very poor analogy.
If the population has more than one gun per person (as the US does), guns are available, guns are handy, guns are easily obtained, guns have little control...then when someone decides to go on the rampage it is easy to obtain the armoury required.
Your argument appears to be, if they can't use guns they will use knives/explosives/drowning/etc.
You called me out for evidence, what evidence do you have for that assumption?
That would explain why Lake Mead is drying up so fast.
McBell
Unbound
So mere speculation on your part?
So far every expert I've heard has been saying it wasn't fully auto but a semi with a completely legal and inexpensive trigger crank. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...hooter-may-have-used-trigger-crank/723236001/
I'd considered that.
But anyone who claims certainty it wasn't legit full auto without examining the gun is suspect.
McBell
Unbound
It would be awful, so we should guard against it... and we do. Pilots and planes are tightly regulated. Why not also regulate gun owners and guns in proportion to the harm they can do?
If you think that contrived scenario is realistic, you've been watching too many action movies.
They also found a bump stock in the hotel room. Another legal modification, and on the scene.
Yes I just found out they found one in the hotel room.
Well there you go.
Years ago, I ran across one such legal modification when auctioning off a tenant's storage unit belongings.
That a few dedicated criminals can still circumvent laws is not an has never been a good reason to not have laws.
McBell
Unbound
Nor is it a good reason to make worthless laws that only harm the law abiding citizen.That a few dedicated criminals can still circumvent laws is not an has never been a good reason to not have laws.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They are given to us by the constitution. Obviously nature gives us no rights, or all countries would be on equal grounds when it comes to the rights of the citizens. As for "by their Creator," it was made very vague and non-specific so it could apply more than one person and one specific creator; their Creator also reinforcing the secular nature of America as the idea is it is not "the creator," but rather the promise of every citizen to acknowledge their own creator.
Yup. A good number that grant similar, or equivalent, or better rights did so without including any religious connotations at all. They just have their rights. And, really, they aren't rights they're just privileges that the government allows. Tomorrow, something you've been doing you're entire life, thought of as a right, the government can take that away, "creator given" or not.
And that is a problem. For one, the government can and does take them away. Japanese citizens were rounded into concentration camps. Mormons had to fight very hard and persevere through some difficulties to get the recognition and acceptance they have. The Natives often had no rights, nor did black people.
It's also a problem because things change with time. We live in a very different world than they did back in 1776. Today I communicate with people around the world instantly; back then it took weeks and months to communicate with people over such a distance. You also cannot improve things if things don't change, and in this case non-property owning white men, black people, and women have gained the right to vote because things can change. Back then, it also took a good while to reload a gun; today, as recently witnessed, one person could have damaged and army back then in ways never thought of by the people who "a well regulated militia."
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'd probably look a reclassification of firearms to include assault rifles and semi automatic weapons with that of machine guns. Not illegal with proper permits, but also instutute a requirement to store them in arms rooms, such as the police department or another secured area where checkout and check in is mandatory.
I dunno why trigger cranks and butt stocks are legal, but would suggest federal restrictions limiting use to law enforcement and military purposes.