Las Vegas Shooting

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Updated details:

- at least 58 dead.
- at least 515 injured.
- police are reporting that the shooter likely killed himself before they entered his room.

Las Vegas shooting death toll rises to 58, more than 500 injured

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What kind of support do victims and their families usually get from the state. Do they get free medical rehabilitation, monetary compensation or jobs or childcare support if the working adult gets killed/disabled?

From the Federal government, none. From there it would depend on each victim's home state if they got anything or not. Unfortunately, it was a big debate and took 9 years to get medical benefits to first responders, survivors, and volunteers from the 9/11 attacks.

 

[sayak83]

From the Federal government, none. From there it would depend on each victim's home state if they got anything or not. Unfortunately, it was a big debate and took 9 years to get medical benefits to first responders, survivors, and volunteers from the 9/11 attacks.

It's shameful this. A country as poor as India provides monetary compensation and jobs for next of kin of victims of terrorism or large scale violence.

 

[Jumi]

From the Federal government, none. From there it would depend on each victim's home state if they got anything or not. Unfortunately, it was a big debate and took 9 years to get medical benefits to first responders, survivors, and volunteers from the 9/11 attacks.

Never understood how priorities are like this in the US.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Never understood how priorities are like this in the US.

I don't understand it either. But, we do have the myth of the "self made man," and it has many many subscribers. We like the lone tough guys, because the group is always weak and holding them back. We love our individualism, and we worship money and all the things it buys us. This is a part of the cost of that, and it's no wonder we're so depressed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's shameful this. A country as poor as India provides monetary compensation and jobs for next of kin of victims of terrorism or large scale violence.

America is the place we you are free to be destroyed and ruined by the costs of your medical bills. It's sad, really. On paper the country is so rich, but yet we have so many poor, and so many going without adequate shelter, food, and medical care.

 

[Enoch07]

Not sure I understand that logic.

Can't we wait 24 hours after someone dies before we turn their death into political discussion? Just out of respect for that person if nothing else?

 

[LuisDantas]

Can't we wait 24 hours after someone dies before we turn their death into political discussion? Just out of respect for that person if nothing else?

Is it more respectful to delay the discussion? I am just not seeing it.

 

[Enoch07]

Translation:

How dare people express outrage at outrageous events! They have no right to express anger while grieving!

And for God's sake, wait until we're distracted by something else before trying to fix these problems!

Be angry, cry, punch a wall, go spank it to your favorite politician, I don't really care. But at least show some respect for the people that died, give them 24 hours before we turn them into political fodder? Thats all I am suggesting.

 

[Enoch07]

Is it more respectful to delay the discussion? I am just not seeing it.

Yes.

I am sorry you do not understand that.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes.

I am sorry you do not understand that.

No, Enoch.

I am sorry for you.

 

[Enoch07]

No, Enoch.

I am sorry for you.

Where is the logic in that?

 

[LuisDantas]

Where is the logic in that?

People are expected to try to avoid further, similar tragedies by the applicable channels.

It is illogical and IMO disrespectful to make a point of neglecting that.

 

[Enoch07]

People are expected to try to avoid further, similar tragedies by the applicable channels.

It is illogical and IMO disrespectful to make a point of neglecting that.

Not neglecting anything. Just postponing judgment for a short time out respect for the victims, and also to allow time for information to be collected so that we have a clearer picture on what actually happened. So that we can discuss it to try and avoid further tragedies.

That is being repectful and logical.

Mindlessly pointing finger (at the time of the OP) a couple of hours after the tragedy with little to no information at hand is illogical. It is just a guessing game at that point.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Isis cannot take responsibility for this one...

This time the terrorist was not a Muslim

Heh.

Who else?

It's really weird that ultralibs love to defend Islam so much. It's like you don't even realize their form of conservative is 1000x more potent than the homegrown kind, and of all the views they hate, they hate yours the most.

 

[Lyndon]

He used a machine gun damn it, that shouldn't be legal, no need to have any extra time to think about it, its just wrong.

 

[Lyndon]

Heh.

Who else?

It's really weird that ultralibs love to defend Islam so much. It's like you don't even realize their form of conservative is 1000x more potent than the homegrown kind, and of all the views they hate, they hate yours the most.

He was not a Muslim, that's just a fact, I know you don't like it, you probably want him to be a Muslim so you can blame Muslims for everything.

 

[Spiderman]

Heh.

Who else?

It's really weird that ultralibs love to defend Islam so much. It's like you don't even realize their form of conservative is 1000x more potent than the homegrown kind, and of all the views they hate, they hate yours the most.

I actually tend to agree with you

 

[Enoch07]

He used a machine gun damn it, that shouldn't be legal, no need to have any extra time to think about it, its just wrong.

It's not legal. Murder is illegal. Murder with a legally owned gun is still illegal. Murder with an easily obtainable illegal black market gun is still illegal. Murder with a home made IED made from legally obtained household products, because you could not purchase a firearm legally because its banned, or could not afford a black market gun is also still illegal.

The choice of weapon is irrelevant. The one common theme here is someome wanted to kill a large number of people. That is the issue to be tackled.

 

[Lyndon]

In my country Australia guns are basically illegal and we have about 15% of the murder rate of America, so no, the choice of weapon is not irrelevant.