Las Vegas Shooting

[MrMrdevincamus]

They were used during prohibition by gangs. This is what caused them to be banned in 1934. They continued to use them after they was banned. So yes banning did not work.

It took almost 30 years after they was banned before they stopped being used. Not an efficient strategy I would say.

Indeed, banning doesn't work. I can not think of one thing that has been banned that people can't access. Not one.

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[oldbadger]

Indeed, banning doesn't work. I can not think of one thing that has been banned that people can't access. Not one.

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So now, after requesting a delay in such subjects as gun-control, I'm guessing that you will let us talk about it now?

Every UK telly channel, paper and radio news station is discussing the lack of sensible gun control right now, in the UK anyway.

Amazingly, some gun nuts are already dismissing the 'guns-awash' situation with one sentence.......

'This is the Price of Freedom'........ what crazies!
Here is one example:-
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-two-dead-in-mandalay-bay-casino-shooting-latest-updates
Former Fox News presenter Bill O’Reilly has called the Las Vegas shooting "the price of freedom" in a post on his personal website arguing against stricter gun control laws.

So for some gun-nuts, there won't ever be any incident, however bad and big, that will change their attitudes.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

What is more important is that you are saturated in guns..... ......

Thoughts go out for the bereaved and all those who will be traumatised about this for all their days.

No what means more to me is our constitutional rights. Those rights are not given by the government they are called indelible rights because they are given by the creator according to the founding fathers. Banning firearms would do absolutely nothing except allowing only criminals to be the only people to own guns. And if I wanted to be saturated in machine guns, grenades, ICBMs and poison gas, I still would be me and not a shooter and safer than a rabid gun control person. Gun control advocates are as dangerous as criminals, because by stealing my rights they allow violent criminals to kill at will knowing no one will shoot back. Why do you think most of the mass shootings occur where concealed carry is not allowed??? God bless the 2nd amendment our constitution bill or rights and our freedom that was won via the barrel of a gun.

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[MrMrdevincamus]

So now, after requesting a delay in such subjects as gun-control, I'm guessing that you will let us talk about it now?

Every UK telly channel, paper and radio news station is discussing the lack of sensible gun control right now, in the UK anyway.

Amazingly, some gun nuts are already dismissing the 'guns-awash' situation with one sentence.......

'This is the Price of Freedom'........ what crazies!
Here is one example:-
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-two-dead-in-mandalay-bay-casino-shooting-latest-updates
Former Fox News presenter Bill O’Reilly has called the Las Vegas shooting "the price of freedom" in a post on his personal website arguing against stricter gun control laws.

So for some gun-nuts, there won't ever be any incident, however bad and big, that will change their attitudes.

I didn't request a delay,what is wrong with your eyes oldbadger? And your last sentence is correct. No incident will be big enough because banning firearms etc would not of changed ONE THING, and that is an exceedingly simple truth gun the control nuts cant figure out. Get used to firearms and concealed carry they are here to stay. Thank God Hillary the wilderbeast didn't win because her loss enabled us with SCOUS judges that are pro firearm, thank you Donald!

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[oldbadger]

Those rights are not given by the government they are called indelible rights because they are given by the creator according to the founding fathers. ...............

........ the creator?
You think Jesus supports gun rights?

 

[oldbadger]

...................No incident will be big enough because banning firearms etc would not of changed ONE THING,.....

That's all we need to see.

Get used to firearms and concealed carry they are here to stay. Thank God Hillary the wilderbeast didn't win because her loss enabled us with SCOUS judges that are pro firearm, thank you Donald! ..........

So........ more mass killings eh?
Hmmmm...... but the murdered, the injured, the traumatised and the bereaved have got to pay for your insecurity and fear, your desperate need to to be armed when you answer your door, or go out?
That's a high price to pay for arming scared people?

 

[Jedster]

........ the creator?
You think Jesus supports gun rights?

It is not unreasonable for a Biblical literalist to think this way, after all, according to the Christian book, he did say
"Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace. I came with a sword."

What would he use today?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Take away gun's, they will use cars and trucks, take away cars and trucks, they will use bombs, to take away bombs, they will use gas, take away gas, they will use.. .

 

[oldbadger]

It is not unreasonable for a Biblical literalist to think this way, after all, according to the Christian book, he did say
"Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace. I came with a sword."

What would he use today?

I know, it's amazing how some Christians can cherry-pick from the NT to support just about anything, from keeping slaves to killing, from love&understanding to healing.

Fortunately there are thousands of differing Christian Creeds, but some do clearly think that Jesus would be prepared to kill, is a killer.

Interesting.

 

[oldbadger]

Take away gun's, they will use cars and trucks, take away cars and trucks, they will use bombs, to take away bombs, they will use gas, take away gas, they will use.. .

Well, you have taken away tanks and other military gear?
I mean, what civilian needs a tank or rocket launcher?
Oh.......just a sec..... what civilian needs an assault rifle?
Only scared folks fill up with guns they don't need, can't possibly need.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, you have taken away tanks and other military gear?
I mean, what civilian needs a tank or rocket launcher?
Oh.......just a sec..... what civilian needs an assault rifle?
Only scared folks fill up with guns they don't need, can't possibly need.

The point is, your not going to stop people from killing one another. No matter what you do. It's a fact of life.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

The point is, your not going to stop people from killing one another. No matter what you do. It's a fact of life.

Truth. Your reply goes to the crux of why gun control will not work to curb violent crime, especially those of mass murder? Why because while it may be arguable less firearms or a total ban MAY* reduce crimes of passion where someone grabs a firearm and shoots in a fit of rage, it will not stop premeditated mass murder. The reason is as common sense and simple as your answer, a planned murder already has planned ways to secure firearms vans cars blades box cutters etc etc......

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[Altfish]

It's not legal. Murder is illegal. Murder with a legally owned gun is still illegal. Murder with an easily obtainable illegal black market gun is still illegal. Murder with a home made IED made from legally obtained household products, because you could not purchase a firearm legally because its banned, or could not afford a black market gun is also still illegal.

The choice of weapon is irrelevant. The one common theme here is someone wanted to kill a large number of people. That is the issue to be tackled.

In the UK murder is also illegal. Murder with a legally owned gun is still illegal. Murder with an easily obtainable illegal black market gun is still illegal. Murder with a home made IED made from legally obtained household products, because you could not purchase a firearm legally because its banned, or could not afford a black market gun is also still illegal.
BUT, when we have an event like this (and nowhere near as many killed) once every 10-years or so, we review and if necessary tighten gun laws.
The problem with the US is that there are more guns than people. I wouldn't know where to buy a gun over here; in the US you just visit Walmart. Crazy

 

[Revoltingest]

Spoiler: Heated rant

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Well, you have taken away tanks and other military gear?
I mean, what civilian needs a tank or rocket launcher?
Oh.......just a sec..... what civilian needs an assault rifle?
Only scared folks fill up with guns they don't need, can't possibly need.

I have um' eight firearms. Four I use on a rotating basis for concealed self defense having been mugged with my lip split to my cheek. I have a vending route and must empty the machines at night. So I have a hi cap Glock 17 in 9mm two .38 revolvers and a .45 full frame 1911 style pistol. I decide what gun or guns to take depending which route I am running. Then I have an Bushmaster AR-15, a 30.06 rifle an 12 ga riot shotgun and a few relic military rifles mausers and such. Those are my hobby firearms. They also stand duty as home defenders if need be.

I love shooting them cleaning them and looking at them. They are works of art. I respect hunters far more than an anti hunter running down my NRA t shirt while she clutches neatly wrapped pack of cow meat. At least the hunter has the gonads to do the deed himself. But I dont hunt, or eat red meat. So what I am saying you or any gun control person the government or any mortal authority doesnt have the right to take my tools or my hobby away from me. I am protected even more than you from the government or me seizing your stamp or coin or other collectables or tools. The biggest difference between you and other gun control advocates and I is I wont try to take your hobbies or tools or lively hood away just because of an idea.

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[Altfish]

The point is, your not going to stop people from killing one another. No matter what you do. It's a fact of life.

But you can greatly limit the chances of it happening by sensible legislation.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

In the UK murder is also illegal. Murder with a legally owned gun is still illegal. Murder with an easily obtainable illegal black market gun is still illegal. Murder with a home made IED made from legally obtained household products, because you could not purchase a firearm legally because its banned, or could not afford a black market gun is also still illegal.
BUT, when we have an event like this (and nowhere near as many killed) once every 10-years or so, we review and if necessary tighten gun laws.
The problem with the US is that there are more guns than people. I wouldn't know where to buy a gun over here; in the US you just visit Walmart. Crazy

Mass murder is more common than one every ten years also you must include attempted mass murder. And you defeat your argument by your own words. If firearms are easily accessible on the UK black market whose guns are banned and who is without a firearm? Ill tell you who, the legal law abiding brit etc. Amazing (lack of) logic displaced on this subject.

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[MrMrdevincamus]

But you can greatly limit the chances of it happening by sensible legislation.

You made that up didn't you?

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

It is not unreasonable for a Biblical literalist to think this way, after all, according to the Christian book, he did say
"Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace. I came with a sword."

What would he use today?

You don't have any idea what Jesus was talking about. Jesus was a stone cold pacifist, even more of one for my liking, but still I love him. Btw, what the founding fathers meant by the creator according to some scholars was our rights come from nature (the philosophical term like natural law). So our rights are not given by the Constitution or by the government they are given by the Creator ie unalienable. Ours (The USA) is the only country in the world with that concept. When rights are giving by the creator it keeps the government etc from taking or changing them as time etc changes.

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[oldbadger]

The point is, your not going to stop people from killing one another. No matter what you do. It's a fact of life.

Ok.
So controlling weapons and dangerous instruments, vehicles etc is pointless, really? Is that right?

So why on Earth do we bother to make air-line pilots pass tests?
Why do we make a fuss over N.Korean bomb production?
Why would we stop folks buying assault-rifles which are really only any good for..... assaultin' n' killin'?
Why do we bother with anything to do with safety?