Las Vegas Shooting

[oldbadger]

Spoiler: Heated rant

Is that enough water?

 

[Revoltingest]

Is that enough water?

It's vodka.

 

[oldbadger]

I have um' eight firearms. Four I use on a rotating basis for concealed self defense having been mugged with my lip split to my cheek. I have a vending route and must empty the machines at night.

tut tut....... Owner of many, master of none. Sell three and become better with one.
Use the money you get from the sales to take a CVIT course?

Then I have an Bushmaster AR-15,

And what do you use that for?
It's not a competition match rifle, it can't be a sporting hunter...... it's for killing folks.

a 30.06 rifle

Hmmmm...... ok.

an 12 ga riot shotgun

For clays? Buy a decent sporting shotgun instead?

and a few relic military rifles mausers and such. Those are my hobby firearms. They also stand duty as home defenders if need be.

Home defenders.........

I love shooting them cleaning them and looking at them. They are works of art. I respect hunters far more than an anti hunter running down my NRA t shirt while she clutches neatly wrapped pack of cow meat. At least the hunter has the gonads to do the deed himself. But I dont hunt, or eat red meat. So what I am saying you or any gun control person the government or any mortal authority doesnt have the right to take my tools or my hobby away from me. I am protected even more than you from the government or me seizing your stamp or coin or other collectables or tools.

Nah...... you're a gun control advocate for sure. Betcha!

The biggest difference between you and other gun control advocates and I is I wont try to take your hobbies or tools or lively hood away just because of an idea.

I've never tried to beat anybody to death with model sailing smack....... never once. And nor would anybody else.
But if you took her away from me I wouldn't snatch a handgun from my breast, I would call the police.

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[Jedster]

You don't have any idea what Jesus was talking about. Jesus was a stone cold pacifist,

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Yes, I know.
I was referring to Christian groups like the KKK who have their own interpretation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just saw a pic of the perp's house & neighborhood.
Green lawns.....green trees....looks like Indiana.
This Nevada, people!
Why on Earth are they wasting water to remake a desert into the midwest?

 

[oldbadger]

Ours (The USA) is the only country in the world with that concept. When rights are giving by the creator it keeps the government etc from taking or changing them as time etc changes.

Oh dear.......... better teach your children's children to duck and dodge those bullets, all creator given rightfuls, every one. Either that or pay the price of freedom, is that what you think?

 

[oldbadger]

It's vodka.

Oh well, no probs.

The news is just horrible.
If so many are injured the death toll must surely rise further?

A future risk is...... copycats.

 

[oldbadger]

Just saw a pic of the perp's house & neighborhood.
Green lawns.....green trees....looks like Indiana.
This Nevada, people!
Why on Earth are they wasting water to remake a desert into the midwest?

We are told (here) that he lived in a posh neighbourhood?
Retired professional folks?
I wonder if he had a terminal illness? I wonder if the investigators have seen his doctor yet?

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

That's all we need to see.


So........ more mass killings eh?

Until jesus returns mass killings will contunie here in the USA in the world at large, with machetes in Africa etc with vans in the UK with a combination in France. Sorry bans will not stop nuts or people who have a warped cause like war.

Hmmmm...... but the murdered, the injured, the traumatised and the bereaved have got to pay for your insecurity and fear, your desperate need to to be armed when you answer your door, or go out?

Well I used to kill em with my bare hands but I am getting a little age on me. Seriously your (demeaning) words and guilt trip tactics may work on your preschooler not me. Your sidestepping my questions demonstrate you are not interested in debate because after a bit the redundancy renders your points meaningless. One more time (maybe this time you will see what I am saying). You try to equate firearm ownership with fear being the primary reason for said ownership. That may be true for a housewife alone living in a high crime neighborhood that has a history of slow police response in that (black) area. But the majority of firearm owners own them for reasons so varied they are uncountable.

I said I use weapons to level the playing field when I am working etc. Not to just seems like total ignorance and a study in nativity. Its like saying hey why are you wearing that seat belt are you afraid of having an accident? Yep I am! I have already laid out the reasons for firearm ownership from the hobby to its uses as a tool. Just like knives or cars they can be used to do evil. However with out the disturbed individual to pull a trigger or drive a tuck into a crowd they are harmless. The only way to stop or slow mass killings or single killings is change the society to a 1950s mentality restore the family unit and morals they instill in their children. And for the government to invest billions in mental health treatment instead of putting sick people in jail or doing nothing at all. Is that so difficult to understand?

That's a high price to pay for arming scared people?

No I would ask my wife* or s.o. in the above scenario take a firearm class, shoot often at the range and keep it close.

* if I had a wife.

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[oldbadger]

Until jesus returns mass killings will contunie here in the USA in the world at large, with machetes in Africa etc with vans in the UK with a combination in France. Sorry bans will not stop nuts or people who have a warped cause like war.

Oh come off it!
You're losing about 45 lives (killings) each day to guns and another 45 or so to suicides.

Well I used to kill em with my bare hands but I am getting a little age on me. Seriously your (demeaning) words and guilt trip tactics may work on your preschooler not me. Your sidestepping my questions demonstrate you are not interested in debate because after a bit the redundancy renders your points meaningless.

Why do folks who don't like what they hear from others fall into the 'you're demeaning', 'you're sidestepping', 'you're meanigless' stuff?

One more time (maybe this time you will see what I am saying). You try to equate firearm ownership with fear being the primary reason for said ownership. That may be true for a housewife alone living in a high crime neighborhood that has a history of slow police response in that (black) area.

That is about the most sexist, racist, prejudiced post so far.
This mass murderer weas white, male, wealthy......
Of course I equate a lot of gun ownership with fear.
Take away the various sporting guns and you've got various kinds of fear.

But the majority of firearm owners own them for reasons so varied they are uncountable.

I said I use weapons to level the playing field when I am working etc. Not to just seems like total ignorance and a study in nativity.

Well, that's a fear. Any Risk identification is a form of fear, you're just frightened of saying it, you tough old bruiser!

The only way to stop or slow mass killings or single killings is change the society to a 1950s mentality restore the family unit and morals they instill in their children. And for the government to invest billions in mental health treatment instead of putting sick people in jail or doing nothing at all. Is that so difficult to understand?

By all means improve mental health services, but I think that your own country is moving slowly, slowly, towards getting rid of totally unnecessary fast firing assault weapons! Don't worry, that would only take away one (or possibly two) of your guns.

No I would ask my wife* or s.o. in the above scenario take a firearm class, shoot often at the range and keep it close.

* if I had a wife. {>

Keep it close.
Going shopping? Keep it close.
Walk in the park? Keep it close.


What you just don't get, is that you don't own any guns!
They own you.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Ban guns! They are killing people!

The people holding them have nothing to do with it.

This would work because once you remove guns, there is literally no other way for a person incited to kill to do the deed, none!

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

We are told (here) that he lived in a posh neighbourhood?
Retired professional folks?
I wonder if he had a terminal illness? I wonder if the investigators have seen his doctor yet?

web hearsay says was he was very, very well off, good info says he at one time owned 2 airplanes and currently owns four homes. When I first heard the shooter was a 63 yo white guy shooting people at a country music concert I thought 'oh no' another leftist went nuts and stated shooting conservative people. The rumor is he was facing a divorce but at this moment its all hearsay ~

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[Flame]

I have um' eight firearms. Four I use on a rotating basis for concealed self defense having been mugged with my lip split to my cheek. I have a vending route and must empty the machines at night. So I have a hi cap Glock 17 in 9mm two .38 revolvers and a .45 full frame 1911 style pistol. I decide what gun or guns to take depending which route I am running. Then I have an Bushmaster AR-15, a 30.06 rifle an 12 ga riot shotgun and a few relic military rifles mausers and such. Those are my hobby firearms. They also stand duty as home defenders if need be.

I love shooting them cleaning them and looking at them. They are works of art. I respect hunters far more than an anti hunter running down my NRA t shirt while she clutches neatly wrapped pack of cow meat. At least the hunter has the gonads to do the deed himself. But I dont hunt, or eat red meat. So what I am saying you or any gun control person the government or any mortal authority doesnt have the right to take my tools or my hobby away from me. I am protected even more than you from the government or me seizing your stamp or coin or other collectables or tools. The biggest difference between you and other gun control advocates and I is I wont try to take your hobbies or tools or lively hood away just because of an idea.

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I honestly lost all interest in owning large cap rifles and I owned quite a few. I'm currently selling most of my own firearms off. Only things I'll have left is my 92fs (only handgun I'm comfortable with), Remington 870 (for pheasant season) and my Mauser 8mm (deer hunting and target shooting). Don't really need more than that.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Ban guns! They are killing people!

The people holding them have nothing to do with it.

This would work because once you remove guns, there is literally no other way for a person incited to kill to do the deed, none!

So true some here, one in particular, must think guns grow legs and hands which they use to kill folks. BAD GUN,... BAD GUN! The gun control radicals can't admit the ultimate accountability lies with the shooter (and IMO) our failing society. That failing society has created generations become enraged growing up, and I think its because of divorces and no family time when the child is two years old and up.

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[Altfish]

Mass murder is more common than one every ten years also you must include attempted mass murder. And you defeat your argument by your own words. If firearms are easily accessible on the UK black market whose guns are banned and who is without a firearm? Ill tell you who, the legal law abiding brit etc. Amazing (lack of) logic displaced on this subject.

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Mass murder by gun is not common at all in the UK.
I'm struggling for recent figures but the gun death rate in the UK from all causes in 2011 was 0.23 per 100,000. That works out to about 145.
In the United States, for the year 2014, the gun death rate from all causes was 10.54 per 100,000. That works out to 33,612
I think the last mass murder by gun in the UK was in 2010 in Cumbria when 12 were randomly killed; prior to that it was in 1996 in Dunblane when 18 school kids were killed.
So once every 10 years is not a bad estimate.
Amazing (lack of) logic displayed on this subject - I think not.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Ban guns! They are killing people!

The people holding them have nothing to do with it.

This would work because once you remove guns, there is literally no other way for a person incited to kill to do the deed, none!

When's the last time you saw someone stab almost 600 people in one incident?

Guns - especially automatic weapons - make killing easier.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

I honestly lost all interest in owning large cap rifles and I owned quite a few. I'm currently selling most of my own firearms off. Only things I'll have left is my 92fs (only handgun I'm comfortable with), Remington 870 (for pheasant season) and my Mauser 8mm (deer hunting and target shooting). Don't really need more than that.

And you should have the right to do that. I really like the 8mm Mauser, I just enjoy the feel of a bolt action and the intrinsic form of those rifles. I too have lost a lot of interest with the black guns and mil rifles like the AK-47. I am more into wheel guns and the wood and bolt action firearms of the last century. I am just now advertising to trade my AR for a big bore* muzzle loader. * bigger than a .50.

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[Altfish]

You made that up didn't you?

NO!

Look at the death rates by gun in the UK and compare it to the US.
In UK it is 0.23; in US it 10.54
Guns per 100 people in UK is 6.6
Guns per 100 people in US is 112.6

It is not a coincidence!!

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

When's the last time you saw someone stab almost 600 people in one incident?

Guns - especially automatic weapons - make killing easier.

Well no one saw airplanes being used as a weapon until 9-11. What if that guy had decided to load his Cessna or gulfstream up with fuel and crash that into the crowd? Or if he didn't own an airplane the same guy could have made a simple launcher and lobbed one to five gallon (napalm) gas cans into such a crowd, horrific and more effective. The point is the guy was dedicated. The ban the guns claims of gun control advocates fails.

 

[YmirGF]

A tiny bit off topic but one thing I was wondering is how in the heck did he get all those weapons and ammo up to his 32nd floor room without alerting the hotel staff that something weird was a foot? Wouldn't have all the gear weighed a ton? (Sorry, I'm not a gun owner and have never fired a gun, though I did hold one for about 15 seconds when I was about 10 years old.)