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Lawyer sends warning to GOP election officials with plans to refuse results

mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
fantome profane said:
They did a "head count". Like doing an opinion poll. She has still not been officially nominated. Regardless of what "boston.com" tells you.
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This article says otherwise.
www.therepublic.com

Harris wins Democratic presidential nomination in virtual roll call. Here's how the process worked - The Republic News

By ROBERT YOON Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic delegates have selected Vice President Kamala Harris to be the party’s presidential nominee, according to final vote results released late Monday by the Democratic National Committee. But don’t expect a balloon drop just yet. Harris...
www.therepublic.com www.therepublic.com

Edit:

DNC Chair Harrison Announces Vice President Harris Has Received Majority of Delegates to Soon Secure the Democratic Nomination - Democrats

democrats.org democrats.org
 
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Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
The EC has effectively removed most states from play and has silenced the voices of most voters.
The days of its usefulness and purpose are dead and gone.
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The same can be said if the popular vote is the standard. Biden only won 17% of the counties in America. If we go by the popular vote the large cities and counties in the US will get to dictate to the rest of the country. Most states will have no say who is president except a couple. North Dakota for example cast 0.22% of the total popular vote in 2020, they have 0.55% of the EC vote. So they have over twice the influence in the EC and about zero if a popular vote was the standard. CA cast 10.8% of the popular vote in 2020 and has 10.2% of the EC vote. Their influence is about the same either way. NY cast 5.4% of the popular vote and 5.4% of the EC vote, NE cast 0.55% of the popular vote and has 0.9% of the EC vote. Changing to the popular vote keeps these small states in the process and has little effect on the large states.

The fact that small states lean republican does not mean the system is rigged it means the dems have not been able to convince them to vote for them. That is all they have to do, there is no rigging of the system. Again, if dems want to change the system to favor them then they can try, but I see no push to do that.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Clizby Wampuscat said:
The same can be said if the popular vote is the standard. Biden only won 17% of the counties in America. If we go by the popular vote the large cities and counties in the US will get to dictate to the rest of the country. Most states will have no say who is president except a couple. North Dakota for example cast 0.22% of the total popular vote in 2020, they have 0.55% of the EC vote. So they have over twice the influence in the EC and about zero if a popular vote was the standard. CA cast 10.8% of the popular vote in 2020 and has 10.2% of the EC vote. Their influence is about the same either way. NY cast 5.4% of the popular vote and 5.4% of the EC vote, NE cast 0.55% of the popular vote and has 0.9% of the EC vote. Changing to the popular vote keeps these small states in the process and has little effect on the large states.

The fact that small states lean republican does not mean the system is rigged it means the dems have not been able to convince them to vote for them. That is all they have to do, there is no rigging of the system. Again, if dems want to change the system to favor them then they can try, but I see no push to do that.
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Yeah, you are right. The problem is that it show as democracy is not that simple as you demand of the Democrats.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
The same can be said if the popular vote is the standard. Biden only won 17% of the counties in America. If we go by the popular vote the large cities and counties in the US will get to dictate to the rest of the country.
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That's how it works in all other elections. You can complain that all the townsfolks get to decide the rules for the whole county, and that means the ranchers have to live with it. Well the rules are for people, and since most live in cities that's where most votes get cast. Outsiders often don't get city services, and they might not like it, or maybe they do.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Most states will have no say who is president except a couple. North Dakota for example cast 0.22% of the total popular vote in 2020, they have 0.55% of the EC vote. So they have over twice the influence in the EC and about zero if a popular vote was the standard. CA cast 10.8% of the popular vote in 2020 and has 10.2% of the EC vote. Their influence is about the same either way. NY cast 5.4% of the popular vote and 5.4% of the EC vote, NE cast 0.55% of the popular vote and has 0.9% of the EC vote. Changing to the popular vote keeps these small states in the process and has little effect on the large states.
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Citizens in small states are no more special than those in large states. Every citizen is represemnted by the president equally. The EC system takes away many votes from citizens. My vote for a democrat means nothing in my state. The vote for a republican means nothing in New York. That bothers me, that my vote for president means nothing in electing our president.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
The fact that small states lean republican does not mean the system is rigged it means the dems have not been able to convince them to vote for them. That is all they have to do, there is no rigging of the system. Again, if dems want to change the system to favor them then they can try, but I see no push to do that.
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It is a rigged system since the EC votes are not proportionate to the population of states. For example contrast Whyoming with California and it is imabalanced:

An elector in Wyoming represents around 150,000 voters, whereas a California elector represents the votes of some 500,000 residents. That makes their votes over 3 times more powerful than ours.​
 
Clizby Wampuscat

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
F1fan said:
That's how it works in all other elections. You can complain that all the townsfolks get to decide the rules for the whole county, and that means the ranchers have to live with it. Well the rules are for people, and since most live in cities that's where most votes get cast. Outsiders often don't get city services, and they might not like it, or maybe they do.
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So what, the framers of the constitution balanced states and individual rights, this was the compromise. It can be changed.
F1fan said:
Citizens in small states are no more special than those in large states. Every citizen is represemnted by the president equally. The EC system takes away many votes from citizens. My vote for a democrat means nothing in my state. The vote for a republican means nothing in New York. That bothers me, that my vote for president means nothing in electing our president.

It is a rigged system since the EC votes are not proportionate to the population of states. For example contrast Whyoming with California and it is imabalanced:

An elector in Wyoming represents around 150,000 voters, whereas a California elector represents the votes of some 500,000 residents. That makes their votes over 3 times more powerful than ours.​
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It is not rigged, it is the current system. Do you really think in 1787 the writers of the constitution were trying to screw democrats in the 2000's?

Why is there no push by the dems to change the system if they think it is rigged?
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
www.boston.com

Kamala Harris is now Democratic presidential nominee, will face off against Donald Trump this fall

Vice President Kamala Harris, a daughter of immigrants, formally secured the Democratic presidential nomination on Monday.
www.boston.com
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"Secured" as is she has sufficient delegates pledging to vote for her at the convention to assure her nomination.

Your claim: "they can do a delegate vote for the nomination prior to their convention." is false as that no delegates have voted yet.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Argentbear said:
read your links.

"secured" as in has enough delgates pledging to vote for her.
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Will you please read this:

DNC Chair Harrison Announces Vice President Harris Has Received Majority of Delegates to Soon Secure the Democratic Nomination - Democrats

democrats.org democrats.org

And explain this:
"Statement from DNC Chair Jaime Harrison:

“In the span of just a few weeks, Vice President Kamala Harris continues to break records – and today is no different. With historic momentum and a groundswell of support, Vice President Harris has officially met the threshold, securing a majority of the delegates she needs to receive the Democratic nomination on Monday. With the support of more than 50 percent of all delegates just one day into voting, Vice President Harris has the overwhelming backing of the Democratic Party and will lead us united in our mission to defeat Donald Trump in November. But I want to be clear – there is still time for delegates to cast their ballots. I encourage every single delegate across the country to meet this moment and cast their ballot so that we head into our convention in Chicago with a show of force as a united Democratic Party.”"
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Good luck with Harris. She will be exposed as the idiot she is if she ever hold a press conference or talks to reporters. Looks like she is going to use Bidens basement strategy to get elected.
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I don't like Harris.
I don't dislike Harris.
But her major positives are.....
- Much more likely than Biden to beat Trump.
- Unlike Trump, she's never committed treason against USA.

A traitor who...
- Says he'll end elections.
- Says he'll become a dictator.
- Says he'll persecute foes in media.
- Argues his right to assassinate political rivals.
- Attempted a multi-faceted coup.
- Raped women.
- Cheats business associates.
- Is mentally declining.
....should not become President.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Clizby Wampuscat said:
So what, the framers of the constitution balanced states and individual rights, this was the compromise. It can be changed.
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Yeah, it was an idea that worked until the states realized they had to function with more national standards and laws. Even Europe realized having a more uniform set of rules was more efficient. The EC is obsolete today for why it was designed.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
It is not rigged, it is the current system.
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It's rigged if you want a democracy. It is the system we have. It is something the republicans like because it's to only way they can compete with their bad polices and bad candidates.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Do you really think in 1787 the writers of the constitution were trying to screw democrats in the 2000's?
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No, it's the republcians of the 2000s doing the screwing because they want to keep this obsolete system that gives them an undemocratic advantage. It's sad they know they can't win the popular vote, and even sadder that they refuse to pick a better candidate.
Clizby Wampuscat said:
Why is there no push by the dems to change the system if they think it is rigged?
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Because it's known that republicans need it to have any chance to get a president elected. Look at you, you're defending it.
 
anna.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Clizby Wampuscat said:
I don't see where it says they can make her the nominee prior to the convention.
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It would have happened anyway, because of the timing the Ohio ballot deadline prior to the DNC even if President Biden hadn't stepped out of the running.

Question for you: Would you be complaining at all if Joe Biden was still the candidate, or only now because the candidate is Kamala Harris?


From @mikkel_the_dane 's link:

DNC officials first indicated in May that they would conduct a virtual roll call to clear a potential hurdle in getting the Democratic nominee on the ballot in Ohio. Ohio’s deadline to file for the general election ballot is Wednesday, two weeks before Democratic delegates would have crowned the nominee at the convention.



Democrats plan to nominate Biden by virtual roll call to meet Ohio ballot deadline​


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden will be formally nominated as the Democratic presidential nominee through a virtual roll call ahead of the party’s official convention in Chicago in August — a maneuver that will allow Biden to appear on the November ballot in Ohio.​
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The Democratic National Convention, where the president would otherwise be formally nominated, comes after Ohio’s ballot deadline of Aug. 7. The party’s convention is scheduled for Aug. 19-22.​
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Ohio lawmakers have moved the deadline in the past for candidates of both parties, although they had not done so yet for Biden this year and were called to a rare special session by Gov. Mike DeWine to address the issue.​
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