Clizby Wampuscat
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At the time slavery was a states rights issue. Read Maddisons convention notes and the federalist papers, those show why the electoral college exists.
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Lawyer sends warning to GOP election officials with plans to refuse results
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Clizby Wampuscat
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If you don't believe they were legitimate then why would you say otherwise?
Too authoritarian & treasonous.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
They would have done the same thing if Biden was the nominee so yeah I would point out that they changed the rules at the last minute.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I never said it was illegal.Well, it is clearly illegal, against the will of the state's rights and the Democratic party should be declared illegal and so its candidates.
Whateverist
Active Member
So much unsolicited advice! You’re too generous but no thanks.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I would do that, but it would also go against the will of the people in that state. Probably not constitutional because the court has ruled in other cases you cannot subvert the constitution by passing laws making loopholes around what it says. Also, I bet as soon as the republicans have the popular vote these states will just back out of the agreement, that would make it unstable. Every state so far is a dem leaning state.The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact could negate the effect of the Electoral College.
The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential ticket wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia.
National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
And weird.
He is indeed strange.
But that isn't really the problem with him.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
How about answering the question.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Whooosh!!
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I did. Trump believes the election was fraudulent. Why should he say differently than what he believes?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Because Trump is a liar and a sore loser. Even before he was elected when he lost the Iowa primary Trump was claiming that the race was "rigged":
'“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he illegally stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong any [sic] why he got more votes than anticipated. Bad!” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. The tweet disappeared within minutes of posting and was replaced by with another that no longer included the word “illegally.”
He followed up with an ultimatum: “Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified,” he tweeted. Trump said later Wednesday that he’ll likely sue. “I probably will; what he did is unthinkable,” he said during an interview with Boston Herald Radio.'
His sones made similar claims for him four years later in the Democratic Iowa Primary when the candidate that he wanted to go up against lost:
"President Donald Trump's adult sons and campaign suggested the Iowa caucuses were "rigged" as the state Democratic Party said it found "inconsistencies" and delayed releasing the results, leading to widespread confusion in the Hawkeye State."
Trump's campaign shouts 'rigged' as Iowa caucuses thrown into chaos
There was no evidence that the state Democratic Party, which is overseeing the election, was "rigging" the results.
www.nbcnews.com
When elections do not go his way he lies and says that the process was unfair.
Why do you think Trump believes what he says?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Regardless of his beliefs, perhaps you could explain how denying legitimate election results is a defense of democracy?
We know that Trump denied legitimate election results. That happened. And you know how we all can know that he knew he lost? Because he set up a fake elector scheme.
Isn't it interesting how often "states rights" was used as a way to deny human rights. And that proud tradition is still going on today.
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
^"Multiracial American voters say they have heard similar derogatory remarks about their identities their whole lives."
Mixed-race voters say Donald Trump’s attacks on Kamala Harris’ race are painfully familiar
Trump questioned Harris’ heritage and accused her of using Blackness for political gain last week, prompting criticism, even from those who aren’t enthusiastic about her.
www.nbcnews.com
Bria Beddoe, 31, who is African American and Trinidadian, said she had mixed feelings about Harris and was hesitant to give her full support to the candidate. She said she doesn’t support Harris’ past criminal justice policies as a district attorney and she doesn’t think President Joe Biden is doing enough to support Gaza. But she said Trump’s rhetoric helped to change her perspective.
“I was not super on board for Kamala Harris being the presidential candidate, but then when I saw the way that they were slandering her and the things that they chose to slander her about, it definitely made me more sympathetic to her … and made me want to support her,” she said.
Beddoe, who lives in Washington, D.C., said she’s experienced similar ridicule and disbelief over her Black, Indian, Chinese and Portuguese roots. As a result, Beddoe said, she sympathizes with Harris and the ways she’s been racialized throughout her political career.
“I grew up not being believed by people until they saw a member of my family,” she said.
“It’s been a very triggering time to see all these people try to say, ‘Well, you’re not this because you look like this, and you identify as this.”
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The race chameleon woman is the one who brings up the subject and parades around with it like it's some kind of trophy. So don't lecture me on this kind of b******* antics.^"Multiracial American voters say they have heard similar derogatory remarks about their identities their whole lives."
Mixed-race voters say Donald Trump’s attacks on Kamala Harris’ race are painfully familiar
Trump questioned Harris’ heritage and accused her of using Blackness for political gain last week, prompting criticism, even from those who aren’t enthusiastic about her.
Bria Beddoe, 31, who is African American and Trinidadian, said she had mixed feelings about Harris and was hesitant to give her full support to the candidate. She said she doesn’t support Harris’ past criminal justice policies as a district attorney and she doesn’t think President Joe Biden is doing enough to support Gaza. But she said Trump’s rhetoric helped to change her perspective.“I was not super on board for Kamala Harris being the presidential candidate, but then when I saw the way that they were slandering her and the things that they chose to slander her about, it definitely made me more sympathetic to her … and made me want to support her,” she said.Beddoe, who lives in Washington, D.C., said she’s experienced similar ridicule and disbelief over her Black, Indian, Chinese and Portuguese roots. As a result, Beddoe said, she sympathizes with Harris and the ways she’s been racialized throughout her political career.“I grew up not being believed by people until they saw a member of my family,” she said. “It’s been a very triggering time to see all these people try to say, ‘Well, you’re not this because you look like this, and you identify as this.”
She is what she is.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Nice! I keep telling them to keep it up with this silly line of attack. It's only going to help the Democrats.^"Multiracial American voters say they have heard similar derogatory remarks about their identities their whole lives."
Mixed-race voters say Donald Trump’s attacks on Kamala Harris’ race are painfully familiar
Trump questioned Harris’ heritage and accused her of using Blackness for political gain last week, prompting criticism, even from those who aren’t enthusiastic about her.
Bria Beddoe, 31, who is African American and Trinidadian, said she had mixed feelings about Harris and was hesitant to give her full support to the candidate. She said she doesn’t support Harris’ past criminal justice policies as a district attorney and she doesn’t think President Joe Biden is doing enough to support Gaza. But she said Trump’s rhetoric helped to change her perspective.“I was not super on board for Kamala Harris being the presidential candidate, but then when I saw the way that they were slandering her and the things that they chose to slander her about, it definitely made me more sympathetic to her … and made me want to support her,” she said.Beddoe, who lives in Washington, D.C., said she’s experienced similar ridicule and disbelief over her Black, Indian, Chinese and Portuguese roots. As a result, Beddoe said, she sympathizes with Harris and the ways she’s been racialized throughout her political career.“I grew up not being believed by people until they saw a member of my family,” she said. “It’s been a very triggering time to see all these people try to say, ‘Well, you’re not this because you look like this, and you identify as this.”