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League of Legends

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Not really. I honestly can't tell it from DOTAII; they seem like just minor variations of the same game. (Softball v baseball).

I do play Smite from time to time, though.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Not really. I honestly can't tell it from DOTAII; they seem like just minor variations of the same game. (Softball v baseball).
On the surface yes, but the systems and balancing philosophy underlining the gameplay are very different. LoL took DoTA's formula, and heavily simplified it.

A Dota II player could walk into LoL and do somewhat well pretty much off the bat. A LoL player would be lost walking into Dota II without research.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
On the surface yes, but the systems and balancing philosophy underlining the gameplay are very different. LoL took DoTA's formula, and heavily simplified it.

A Dota II player could walk into LoL and do somewhat well pretty much off the bat. A LoL player would be lost walking into Dota II without research.

I'm sure they're different under the surface, it's just hard to get invested even as a spectator when I can't immediately tell one apart from the other. I sort of view them the same way I view regular sports (apathetic respect), which is appropriate seeing as they're among the most famous e-sports right now. ^_^
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
I'm sure they're different under the surface, it's just hard to get invested even as a spectator when I can't immediately tell one apart from the other. I sort of view them the same way I view regular sports (apathetic respect), which is appropriate seeing as they're among the most famous e-sports right now. ^_^
Think of it like chess and checkers. To someone who has no knowledge of either game they are but variations of the same idea. But no doubt you are aware that chess is an entirely different game to checkers despite the fact that both games use a checkerboard. Likewise DotA and LoL use a similar board but the pieces behave differently. DotA is chess, LoL is checkers. But at the end of the day if you haven't played either why on earth would you be expected to understand them?

As for the professional scene I'm rather indifferent myself.
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Think of it like chess and checkers. To someone who has no knowledge of either game they are but variations of the same idea. But no doubt you are aware that chess is an entirely different game to checkers, despite the fact that the board is the same. Likewise DotA and LoL use a similar board but the pieces behave differently. Fundamentally they are very different games. DotA is chess, lol is checkers. But at the end of the day if you've never played either why on earth would you be expected to understand them?

As for the professional scene I'm rather indifferent myself.

I'm not sure Chess and Checkers are great analogies, since they are pretty distinct from having board pieces that look completely different. ...traditionally, that is. Use flat Checker-like pieces in Chess instead of the standing figures, and I could totally see that.

Although Chess and Checkers are completely different games in everything except the board; piece placement, movement, and victory conditions are apples and oranges. Gameplay wise, Chess and Shogi would be good analogies, probably... or compare any modern deck-builders with each other.

Or, back to video-game land, the subtle differences between the main-release Mario games.

So I definitely understand that they're different games, just not completely different games. They certainly have more in common with each other than DOTA does with its father, Warcraft.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
So I definitely understand that they're different games, just not completely different games. They certainly have more in common with each other than DOTA does with its father, Warcraft.
LoL with its utter lack of unit micro is for those who sucked at WCIII. :D

Come at me LoL players. :D
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
LoL with its utter lack of unit micro is for those who sucked at WCIII. :D

Come at me LoL players. :D

LOL

'Course I completely sucked at WCIII, but only because I had an image in my head of how matches were "supposed" to go, and never bothered to learn about this strange-to-my-single-player-centered-mind concept of "metagame".

Now that I know about metagames... I still suck at Smite. And since that's supposed to be the "casual-friendly" MOBA... yeah, that's another reason why I haven't tried either LoL or DOTAII. I've heard... stories... about the "communities".
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
I've heard... stories... about the "communities".
I can't speak for LoL as I've only played a dozen or so games but as for Dota II it's not that bad. Yes, a team based game which is both highly competitive and anonymous is a recipe for toxicity. (And the high learning curve doesn't help this either) That said with Valve's report system the more egregious offenders find themselves banned pretty quickly.

One solution is to start making friends and play with them. When I first started with dota I played with work buddies and refused to solo-queue for a long time after my first few games resulted in getting abused. However I've also met some nice people along the way and once you start getting better at the game it does improve.

Anonymity and competition brings out a lot of jerks. You will meet them. But the toxicity has been somewhat exaggerated. Dota II isn't in the wild west days of the WCIII mod, Valve has a vested interest in keeping on top of the more undesirable elements. (As much as that can be done anyway)

It's the internet. I'm not defending jerks but you do need a bit of skin on your part. I'm not going the let the occasional run-in with some self-important 'pro' deprive me of an otherwise brilliant game.
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I can't speak for LoL as I've only played a dozen or so games but as for Dota II it's not that bad. Yes, a team based game which is both highly competitive and anonymous is a recipe for toxicity. (And the high learning curve doesn't help this either) That said with Valve's report system the more egregious offenders find themselves banned pretty quickly.

One solution is to start making friends and play with them. When I first started with dota I played with work buddies and refused to solo-queue for a long time after my first few games resulted in getting abused. However I've also met some nice people along the way and once you start getting better at the game it does improve.

Anonymity and competition brings out a lot of jerks. You will meet them. But the toxicity has been somewhat exaggerated. Dota II isn't in the wild west days of the WCIII mod, Valve has a vested interest in keeping on top of the more undesirable elements. (As much as that can be done anyway)

It's the internet. I'm not defending jerks but you do need a bit of skin on your part. I'm not going the let the occasional run-in with some self-important 'pro' deprive me of an otherwise brilliant game.

Unfortunately, time I spent playing Town of Salem (a completely different kind of game, mind) has told me that I've currently not got the necessary skin, yet, to deal with such people regularly. Not only do certain statements made months ago still haunt me somewhat, I have also made commments that in hindsight were way uncalled for. I don't want to have that part of me thrust upon strangers.

However, if I ever got four other friends who were interested (I think I only have one other friend who plays games online), I'd certainly give it a shot. ...after I got my computer fixed. lol
 
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