Leaving Islam (and returning)

[vskipper]

Is it possible for one to leave Islam one too many times?

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Is it possible for one to leave Islam one too many times?

Response: A person who leaves any religion many times clearly does not do so because of their belief that the religion is true, but does so for their own personal gain.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Response: A person who leaves any religion many times clearly does not do so because of their belief that the religion is true, but does so for their own personal gain.

What are killing the apostate Islam
Forgot these provisions
And the forgotten wars of apostasy
And did you forget death to those who are fighting against God and his Messenger
Your personal
And the position of the Qur'an
We want the position of the Qur'an
And the position of the Qur'an is to kill the apostate
Here's this joke
One day they said to one of the people he said you would be not many wives in paradise you will have homes and nymphs and also told him we'll help you money
The man agreed and told him
You must submit
To become a Muslim
And actually was circumcised and cut off the excess from the body
In the process of circumcision
After a time
His assistance was interrupted
And men to secure
He said to them, I am not a Muslim
And here
They told him
Don't-don't-
I left Islam would kill
Here the poor and is shouting out
Inside Islam cut him a piece and outside of it cut and multiple descriptions
The popular joke
A woman of intellectual Islam even among his followers
Greetings to you
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[Matemkar]

I understood none of the posts above. Sorry.

But since the title of the thread is clear, I want to post on it.

According to Islam, one can choose his/her religion as they want. And the Holy Quran 2:256 speaks about it, that there is no compulsion in (the acceptance of) religion.

What if he or she leaves after embracing Islam, you might ask.

There is no verse in the Holy Quran about killing the apostates. It is some hadiths in sunni sources that people differ in views. But, sunni brethren explained the issue here

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/166373-apostasy-islam.html

You might check it.

And just to add, in shia Islam, the female apostate is not killed. And the male apostate is not killed either, unless he creates conflicts, takes physical actions against the state and etc. And when he does that, he is not killed right away. He is reasoned and asked for repentance. Thus, this is something that relates to the politics, security of the state, rather than the religions.

The third point, which is about repentance, you can study it here:

Discourse 8: Repentance I | Spiritual Discourses | Ayatullah Mutahhari

Thanks. ma salam

 

[Al-Fatihah]

What are killing the apostate Islam

Forgot these provisions
And the forgotten wars of apostasy
And did you forget death to those who are fighting against God and his Messenger
Your personal
And the position of the Qur'an
We want the position of the Qur'an
And the position of the Qur'an is to kill the apostate
Here's this joke
One day they said to one of the people he said you would be not many wives in paradise you will have homes and nymphs and also told him we'll help you money
The man agreed and told him
You must submit
To become a Muslim
And actually was circumcised and cut off the excess from the body
In the process of circumcision
After a time
His assistance was interrupted
And men to secure
He said to them, I am not a Muslim
And here
They told him
Don't-don't-
I left Islam would kill
Here the poor and is shouting out
Inside Islam cut him a piece and outside of it cut and multiple descriptions
The popular joke
A woman of intellectual Islam even among his followers
Greetings to you​

Response: There is no verse in the Qur'an to kill an apostate, nor can you provide one. To the contrary, the Qur'an says "there is no compulsion in religion" (2:256)and verses 88-93 of chapter 4, particularly 92, prohibits killing anyone, including non-Muslims, unless it is in self-defense of those plotting or trying to kill you. Clearly refuting any claim that apostates are to be killed simply because they changed their religion.

 

[vskipper]

Response: A person who leaves any religion many times clearly does not do so because of their belief that the religion is true, but does so for their own personal gain.

Actually left because of concerns due to a reverence for God. In any case I have since talked to others & have retaken shahada, made ghusl & asked for forgivness.

 

[LuisDantas]

Response: A person who leaves any religion many times clearly does not do so because of their belief that the religion is true, but does so for their own personal gain.

I beg to differ. As this is not a Quranic matter, I will leave it as that, but feel free to bring the matter to another area or even to PM me if you want further elaboration.

 

[vskipper]

It is posted in another area: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/169097-leaving-islam-returning.html

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I understood none of the posts above. Sorry.

But since the title of the thread is clear, I want to post on it.

According to Islam, one can choose his/her religion as they want. And the Holy Quran 2:256 speaks about it, that there is no compulsion in (the acceptance of) religion.

What if he or she leaves after embracing Islam, you might ask.

There is no verse in the Holy Quran about killing the apostates. It is some hadiths in sunni sources that people differ in views. But, sunni brethren explained the issue here

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/166373-apostasy-islam.html

You might check it.

And just to add, in shia Islam, the female apostate is not killed. And the male apostate is not killed either, unless he creates conflicts, takes physical actions against the state and etc. And when he does that, he is not killed right away. He is reasoned and asked for repentance. Thus, this is something that relates to the politics, security of the state, rather than the religions.

The third point, which is about repentance, you can study it here:

Discourse 8: Repentance I | Spiritual Discourses | Ayatullah Mutahhari

Thanks. ma salam

Guide to kill the apostate from Islam

I heard on a radio programme, in an interview with a person, that there is no evidence in the Qur'an or Hadith Sharif or religious edict, to kill the apostate from Islam to leave. Please advise me on this?

Showed the Holy Quran and Sunnah to kill the apostate if unrepentant in saying the Almighty: that they repent and pray they tithe, which released that God is forgiving, merciful [1], this verse indicates that it does not repent not released.

In Saheeh Al-bukhaari from Ibn ' Abbaas that the Prophet said: ((whoever changes his religion, allowance)) [2], and in Al-saheehayn it is narrated Mu'adh may Allah be pleased with him, he said to an apostate women when Abu Moosa Al-ash'ari in Yemen: (don't scroll down – meaning of his mount – even kill; God and his Messenger) [3], and evidence of this has been clarified by many scholars in provision of the renegade in all four madhhabs, it loved to teach, please see section above.

It denies it is ignorant or misguided, not paying attention to him, but it teaches, it is guided. And Allaah is the source.

[1] surat al-Tawba, verse 5.

[2] narrated by Al-bukhaari in (and bots) number: 2794, pronunciation, and Al-tirmidhi in the (border) number: 1378.


[3] narrated by Al-bukhaari in his (Al-Maghazi) number: 3996, the women in the book (outlaw blood) number: 3998.
this is simple from hslame book and there is another
تستخدم التقية يا مولانا

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

It is posted in another area: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/169097-leaving-islam-returning.html

Do you play
This religion named Islam as Saif Rahman
Does the reading penalty fighting Allah and the Messenger
In the history of the barbarian and barbarism, no such punishment
I remember you only amputation of the hand with the foot mtaakstan
Lord hberb of the Kaaba have you heard of the Penal Code since Hammurabi to the punishment barbaric Roman
I mean, if obtained from me
Will go the right hand with the left foot
For what
I laao'mn in and say to him also
These human freedom
God gave me, but Islam is the religion of intellectual terrorism
Greetings
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

D del Coran [] and the Sunnah, the killing of the apostate if unrepentant in saying the Almighty in Surat at-taubah []: {that they repent and pray they tithe, which released that God is forgiving, merciful}, this verse indicates that it does not repent not released.

In Saheeh Al-bukhaari [] from Ibn ' Abbaas about Prophet [] the Prophet said: "whoever changes his religion, subsistence allowance", in Al-saheehayn it is narrated Mu'adh may Allah be pleased with him, he said to an apostate women when Abu Moosa Al-ash'ari in Yemen: "don't get off-I mean his mount--even killed, God and his Messenger."

And the evidence in that many scholars have been clarified by [] at the door: "the rule of the apostate" in all four madhhabs, it loved to teach, please see section above.

It denies it is ignorant or misguided may not pay attention to him, but be advised it is guided, knows God conciliation.
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

and this information from islam
i am just moving it and using copy and past

I only through this research brief I shall describe the irrefutable evidence indicating signal Qur'aan this far, and it happened on his watch and, on the other hand, knowing I do not pretend to lead and deliver what one did not come before me, these conversations between well-known scientists and scholars scattered in their books don't need to bother to extract sufficient objective impartial researcher to open books of scholars and exegetes and modern, and the introduction of indexes and Opens the book on pages that talk about the subject – it is merely a whole ten pages or less – it finds evidence that sasokha in this research, beginning with the most significant and clearly intended to clear words, ending with the needs of the reader to the more attention and reasoning to determine the purpose and desired.
First: the significance of the Quran as apostasy:
The Almighty said: {and I've said the word Kufr and disbelieved after they they imagined as not receiving the disputed but the richest bounty from Allah and his Messenger, to repent is good for them and that they are tormented by grievous torture in God and the hereafter} repentance verse 74.
This verse as shown through the context speaks of apostasy and disbelief after Islam, faith, and the implications of the second law in either the minimum or the afterlife, making many of the mufassireen generate from this verse the apostate ruling and that God had two kinds of agony against this case from the one in this world and in the hereafter, and that concerns us now is the minimum punishment in the verse: {And assume God suffering painful torture in}, indicates that this punishment is murder, Ibn katheer said, indicating this meaning: «and continue on their way God suffering painful torture in any murder, anxiety and anguish of ...» 4-108, said the ocean sea: «on: and perpetuate paternalistic as they mtolon in the lower placement of war as they showed disbelief it resolves their fight and kill» 5-74, and DSI 14-369: «painful torture in torture, either by death, And as expeditiously shame them» in tafseer Al-qurtubi, 8-133, and Yusuf Ali y: 199: «tormented by grievous suffering in this world God of death» of ... After the imams and scholars of Qur'an interpretation and significance of the verse on the apostate not worldly punishment only to acknowledge receipt of such punishment in the Qur'an as a whole-as usually in a lot of important legal provisions-as indicated by the Prophet (PBUH) as will be anecdotal and actual.
Second: the Sunnah
1-year anecdotal:
1. from Ibn Abbas said: the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) "whoever changes his religion, allowance" (Al-Bukhari 3017).
2. from ' Abd-Allaah ibn mas'ood said the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him "does not solve the blood of a Muslim woman who testifies that there is no God but Allah and that I am the Messenger of God, not one of the three soul and man and religion ironically thaib leaver of the group" (Al-Bukhari and Muslim 6878 1676
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[Matemkar]

mahasn ebn sawresho. I don't understand your English much. I am so sorry.

And about your points: you need to know that, one can not take verses out of context and portray it different. Quran, 9:5 is about a certain event. Here is the story in summary. During the peace treaty between Muslims and polytheists (Hudaybiyah), the polytheists went against it and massacred Muslims. And even then, the Holy Quran forbids fighting back in sacred months. And even then, the door of repentance are, as mentioned, open for them. Thus, that verse is not about apostates. It is not about all polytheists either, it is about a specific group which breaks the peace treaty and massacres Muslims. In summary, taking verses out of context and attacking a faith is unjust. You need to study each verse with their sibaak and siyaaq, the reasons of revelations, the application of the Prophet and Ahlulbayt, etc.

Your second and third points are also silly. You are quoting Bukhari to a shia Muslim. It is clear you don't know shia Muslims have different hadith books (such as, Al-Kafi, Bihar al-Anwaar, Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih, Wasael ush-Shia, Tuhaf al-Uqoul, Nahj'ul Fasahah, Nahj'ul-Balagha, etc.)

And, yep, we do taqiyya here!

Please leave this Islamophobia. I am not denying there are fractions-groups among "Muslims" who believe in and do what you and I see as wrong. But, attacking the religion by making excuse of them is unjust.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

mahasn ebn sawresho. I don't understand your English much. I am so sorry.

And about your points: you need to know that, one can not take verses out of context and portray it different. Quran, 9:5 is about a certain event. Here is the story in summary. During the peace treaty between Muslims and polytheists (Hudaybiyah), the polytheists went against it and massacred Muslims. And even then, the Holy Quran forbids fighting back in sacred months. And even then, the door of repentance are, as mentioned, open for them. Thus, that verse is not about apostates. It is not about all polytheists either, it is about a specific group which breaks the peace treaty and massacres Muslims. In summary, taking verses out of context and attacking a faith is unjust. You need to study each verse with their sibaak and siyaaq, the reasons of revelations, the application of the Prophet and Ahlulbayt, etc.

Your second and third points are also silly. You are quoting Bukhari to a shia Muslim. It is clear you don't know shia Muslims have different hadith books (such as, Al-Kafi, Bihar al-Anwaar, Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih, Wasael ush-Shia, Tuhaf al-Uqoul, Nahj'ul Fasahah, Nahj'ul-Balagha, etc.)

And, yep, we do taqiyya here!

Please leave this Islamophobia. I am not denying there are fractions-groups among "Muslims" who believe in and do what you and I see as wrong. But, attacking the religion by making excuse of them is unjust.

Clear verses in the killing of the apostate and Mohammed also clear
But if you want to change the Quran
Known for aliah use pious in a very broad
Word of the Qur'an is not special in that fight
Because if I told that verse and ended up ruling you will cancel all Quran
The verses of the Qur'an are valid in all times and places
Measurement methods of devising legal rulings
If there was a conflict between the Muslim and non-Muslim fighting verses they will apply measurement method-

 

[Matemkar]

I don't think you understand me at all, neither I you.

 

[redpolk]

I understood none of the posts above. Sorry.

But since the title of the thread is clear, I want to post on it.

According to Islam, one can choose his/her religion as they want. And the Holy Quran 2:256 speaks about it, that there is no compulsion in (the acceptance of) religion.

What if he or she leaves after embracing Islam, you might ask.

There is no verse in the Holy Quran about killing the apostates. It is some hadiths in sunni sources that people differ in views. But, sunni brethren explained the issue here

Apostasy in Islam | Religion Forums

You might check it.

And just to add, in shia Islam, the female apostate is not killed. And the male apostate is not killed either, unless he creates conflicts, takes physical actions against the state and etc. And when he does that, he is not killed right away. He is reasoned and asked for repentance. Thus, this is something that relates to the politics, security of the state, rather than the religions.

The third point, which is about repentance, you can study it here:

Discourse 8: Repentance I | Spiritual Discourses | Ayatullah Mutahhari

Thanks. ma salam

I read the link but was left wondering whether the state SHOULD execute or otherwise punish the apostate.Simply saying the state CAN execute the apostate leaves open the question of what the state should do.It seems odd that Islam would not give clear guidance on this issue.Is there such guidance?

 

[Harikrish]

Muslims should be prevented from leaving Islam. They are not much good to other religions once they have been corrupted by Islam. Where would they find 6 year old girls to marry or be allowed to behead innocent people?

 

[DawudTalut]

Is it possible for one to leave Islam one too many times?

Peace be on you.
Quote from a book by Fourth Ahmadiyya Muslim Khalifah (may Allah have mercy on him) :

"....To conclude, apostasy is the clear repudiation of a faith by a person who formerly held it. Doctrinal differences, however grave, cannot be deemed to be apostasy. The Punishment for Apostasy lies in the hand of God Almighty, against whom the offence has been committed. Apostasy which is not aggravated by some other crime is not punishable in this world. This is the teaching of God. This was the teaching of the Holy Prophet sa......."
Source:Punishment for Apostasy

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Peace be on you.
Quote from a book by Fourth Ahmadiyya Muslim Khalifah (may Allah have mercy on him) :

"....To conclude, apostasy is the clear repudiation of a faith by a person who formerly held it. Doctrinal differences, however grave, cannot be deemed to be apostasy. The Punishment for Apostasy lies in the hand of God Almighty, against whom the offence has been committed. Apostasy which is not aggravated by some other crime is not punishable in this world. This is the teaching of God. This was the teaching of the Holy Prophet sa......."
Source:Punishment for Apostasy

Ahmadisbelieveinkilling ofthe apostatefrom Islam
This is the Islamic concept also
So there is no difference between the Ahmadis and Sunni also
Killing ofthe apostateofdivine commands
Thank you forthat clarification

 

[DawudTalut]

Please note Based on Holy Quran and Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) Ahmadiyya Muslims do not believe that apostates should be killed.

Maybe you are mixing.

Please learn about them in Arabic here:

IslamAhmadiyya.net - الموقع العربي الرسمي للجماعة الإسلامية الأحمدية

You can watch Arabic MTA3 at
Muslim television Ahmadiyya International | Watch MTA Live Streaming

Then pray to God with complete impartiality to know directly from God about:
= Islam,
= Muhammad (s.a.w.) and
= Ahmadiyya Promised Messiah Mahdi and his Khilafat and Jama'at.

It is not good for health to remain angry all the times!