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Legalizing Mary Jane

The Sum of Awe

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I was just curious if anyone is against the idea of legalizing marijuana, and if so, why are you against it?

Be prepared for a possible debate.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
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I was just curious if anyone is against the idea of legalizing marijuana, and if so, why are you against it?

Be prepared for a possible debate.

"Against" is an euphemism in my case.

I utterly abhor it, with a passion. As I do any sort of recreative drug use, particularly those that interfere with mental processes.

It is a matter of principle, of respect for society and for one's mental health.
 

kashmir

Well-Known Member
"fffffwwwttt"
"pooooffff"
what was the question again? :sarcastic

yes it should be legal.

Not to change the subject, but there is so many reasons it helps people.
some kid had sever seizures and was very close to dying, no meds worked.
some guys who grow marijuana for various health reasons, all kinds of (not sure the name, strands?) and they *what ever they do' made a strand for her after hearing about it.
She does not have any seizures now, and takes no drugs, this happened almost over night from her taking the pills.
What she takes is the form of marijuana after what ever is done to it, in pill form.
No THC at all.
They even named the strand after her, in the green house, there are huge plants growing, with tags and her name on them.
That is too cool.

So again yes, this needs to stop being suppressed by drug companies so they can make their $$$ and give us crap that don't work and pay off the gov to make us think that marijuana is bad for you.

"fffffwwwttt"
"pooooffff"
heck, what was we talking about again? :shrug:
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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All drugs should be legal. I don't recognize the right of the State to tell anyone what they may or may not put into their own bodies.
 

kashmir

Well-Known Member
All drugs should be legal. I don't recognize the right of the State to tell anyone what they may or may not put into their own bodies.

I don't recognize the rights to the gov allowing drug companies to introduce drugs deemed as safe that are not safe.

If you are suggesting that crack/heroin should be legal, obviously you must not be around drug addicts.
They are one of the biggest problems, an addict will do just about what ever it takes to get that high and coming off heroin can kill you.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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I don't recognize the rights to the gov allowing drug companies to introduce drugs deemed as safe that are not safe.

If you are suggesting that crack/heroin should be legal, obviously you must not be around drug addicts.
They are one of the biggest problems, an addict will do just about what ever it takes to get that high and coming off heroin can kill you.

I've been around drug addicts for a good chunk of my life. Government interference, up to and including trafficking, bears a large part of the blame for rampant drug addiction. Making certain drugs illegal created many more problems than it has solved.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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People keep telling me that. I guess I will never understand why. It is certainly not due to lack of insistence.

It's like how prohibition was in the '20s here in America. It created a black market and many people died over it. Drug trafficking creates wars, slavery, funds other criminal enterprises, drives murder and social instability.
 

kashmir

Well-Known Member
We stop the drugs from coming into the country to combat the problems, not legalize things like crack/heroin and ""X" the one for sex" having trouble spelling it.

Making Heroin legal is not going to help this country.
Might as well make it legal to build your own nukes.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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We stop the drugs from coming into the country to combat the problems, not legalize things like crack/heroin and ""X" the one for sex" having trouble spelling it.

Making Heroin legal is not going to help this country.
Might as well make it legal to build your own nukes.

You're never going to stop drugs from coming into the country, especially with all this corruption. How long have we been trying to do that? It's a failure. The key is to legalize it and regulate it. If we do that, we can work on removing the stigma from it and actually help people instead of throwing them into jail.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
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I voted yes both to legalize its medical use and to legalize its recreational use in Colorado. Before legalization, too many people ended up in prison just for smoking a joint here, the gangs controlled the trade, and the whole business went untaxed.

Now, home-grown Colorado pot is driving illegal pot out of the market in places, undermining the gangs a bit, and providing much needed tax revenues -- and no one's going to prison just for smoking a joint these days.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend The Sum Of Awe,

Legalizing Mary Jane
It was freely available and very much legal till 1985. Culturally it finds wide acceptance for its use in India. We used to freely distribute it as a drink during few social occasions till 1985. It finds benefits in meditation and spirituality [read text below taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_spiritual_use_of_cannabis
Religious and spiritual use of cannabis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cannabis has been used in a religious and spiritual context in India since the Vedic period dating back to approximately 1500BCE but perhaps as far back as 2000BCE. There are several references in Greek mythology to a powerful drug that eliminated anguish and sorrow. Herodotus wrote about early ceremonial practices by the Scythians, thought to have occurred from the 5th to 2nd century BCE. Itinerant Hindu saints have used it in India for centuries. [1]

In modern culture the spiritual use of cannabis has been spread by the disciples of the Rastafari movement who use it for its natural consciousness exalting properties for their sacramental and sanctifying rites; according to what they know as belonging to the truthful and faithful prophetic way of life "livity" of the ancient mystics whose history is described in the sacred scriptures.

Ancient and modern India and Nepal[edit]
The earliest known reports regarding the sacred status of cannabis in India and Nepal come from the Atharva Veda estimated to have been written sometime around 2000–1400 BC,[2] which mentions cannabis as one of the "five sacred plants".[3] There are three types of cannabis used in India and Nepal. The first, bhang, consists of the leaves and plant tops of the marijuana plant. It is usually consumed as an infusion in beverage form, and varies in strength according to how much cannabis is used in the preparation. The second, ganja, consisting of the leaves and the plant tops, is smoked. The third, called charas or hashish, consists of the resinous buds and/or extracted resin from the leaves of the marijuana plant. Typically, bhang is the most commonly used form of cannabis in religious festivals.

Personally too have used it for meditation al purpose and found very helpful and without side effect or withdrawal system, Used it for 3/4 years during university days and stopped total use of it thereafter without any problem.

Personal would say that one should be legally allowed to freely to grow and use anywhere across the globe as it is part of nature itself.

Love & rgds
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It's like how prohibition was in the '20s here in America.

In the sense that social tolerance overrules legal rejection every single time, sure it is.

It created a black market and many people died over it. Drug trafficking creates wars, slavery, funds other criminal enterprises, drives murder and social instability.

It seems to me that drug use is the problem rather. Or even the deeper issue of consumerism of health and mental states.

Sleep control drugs and weight control drugs are perhaps even more harmful overall than illegal drugs. Alcohol is one of the most harmful of all, despite being all but completely legalized.

Continued acceptance of drugs both legal and illegal is what creates, enables and furthers social instability, far as I can tell.
 

kashmir

Well-Known Member
Used it for 3/4 years during university days and stopped total use of it thereafter without any problem.
there are zero addiction of it.
Saying "gee I would like a dubie" has about as much relevance to addiction as saying "should I pick the fish or chicken for dinner"

But I will agree, it should still be treated as a drug when it comes to jobs, it can and does alter ones reflexes and such.
But it goes away fast.
I do have a friend that wont smoke it, he says "Naaa, got stuff to do, don't wanna be stuck on stupid" every now and then he will.
So I will not deny that part.
Some people do get that way, but the majority do not.

Personal would say that one should be legally allowed to freely to grow and use anywhere across the globe as it is part of nature itself.

Love & rgds

cough cough, taxes.

odd though, cigarettes are 87 billion times as harmful but perfectly legal
so is the majority of most OTC drugs too, even caffeine and some sugar subs.
 
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The Sum of Awe

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All drugs should be legal. I don't recognize the right of the State to tell anyone what they may or may not put into their own bodies.

I agree - all hands are free until they grab another.

But there are certain drugs that do extend problems beyond personal ones, there are some that are really unnecessary to be taken in general that will cause personal health hazards without the person even realizing it.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend saint_frankemstein,

I don't recognize the right of the State to tell anyone what they may or may not put into their own bodies.

Synthetic drugs are not natural and are unknown about their effects and so must be regulated and sold under medical prescription only.

Love & rgds
 
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