Lesbian definition.. A non-man attracted to non-men."

[We Never Know]

You can't just make this craziness up.

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women

"Johns Hopkins University removed an online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities this week after its definition of the word "lesbian" used the term "non-men" to refer to women and some nonbinary people and fueled an online uproar.

Screenshots of the glossary before it was taken down showed that the university defined the word "lesbian" as a "non-man attracted to non-men." It added that while past definitions have referred to lesbians as women who are sexually attracted to other women, the "updated definition" is intended to include nonbinary people who may identify with the label.

"Lesbian was literally the only word in English language that is not tied to man- as in male- feMALE, man- woMAN," tennis star Martina Navratilova, who is a lesbian, tweeted Monday. "And now lesbians are non men?!? Wtf?!?"

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women'

The university's online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities defined the word “lesbian” as a “non-man attracted to non-men" before it was taken down.

www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Debater Slayer]

I think defining lesbians as "non-men" places men as some default reference for the term, which is problematic. That said, the article also mentions the following (highlighting mine):

"The LGBTQ Glossary serves as an introduction to the range of identities and terms that are used within LGBTQ communities, and is not intended to serve as the definitive answers as to how all people understand or use these terms," Megan Christin, the university's director of strategic communications, said in a statement Wednesday. "While the glossary is a resource posted on the website of the Johns Hopkins University Office of Diversity and Inclusion (ODI), the definitions were not reviewed or approved by ODI leadership and the language in question has been removed pending review."

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women'

The university's online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities defined the word “lesbian” as a “non-man attracted to non-men" before it was taken down.

www.nbcnews.com

Nikki Haley called the definition part of a "war on women," though, which strikes me as remarkably inconsistent considering her own efforts to deny millions of women access to abortion. She's also campaigning for a party that has harbored vocal opponents of same-sex marriage for many years. If she's so concerned about lesbians and all other women rather than only conservative ones or ones who fit into certain boxes, maybe a change in her own politics and campaigning would be a good start. Her anti-abortion politics that seek to ban it could lead to denial of life-saving care for many of them.

 

[We Never Know]

I think defining lesbians as "non-men" places men as some default reference for the term, which is problematic. That said, the article also mentions the following (highlighting mine):

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women'

The university's online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities defined the word “lesbian” as a “non-man attracted to non-men" before it was taken down.

www.nbcnews.com

Nikki Haley called the definition part of a "war on women," though, which strikes me as remarkably inconsistent considering her own efforts to deny millions of women access to abortion. She's also campaigning for a party that has harbored vocal opponents of same-sex marriage for many years. If she's so concerned about lesbians and all other women rather than only conservative ones or ones who fit into certain boxes, maybe a change in her own politics and campaigning would be a good start. Her anti-abortion politics that seek to ban it could lead to denial of life-saving care for many of them.

If it wasn't approved then it should have never been put online. Its was removed because of an uproar it caused. (According to the article)

 

[Debater Slayer]

If it wasn't approved then it should have never been put online. Its was removed because of an uproar it caused. (According to the article)

I agree it shouldn't have been put up. I don't know how it passed internal screening or whether it had to go through any to begin with.

 

[We Never Know]

I think defining lesbians as "non-men" places men as some default reference for the term, which is problematic. That said, the article also mentions the following (highlighting mine):

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women'

The university's online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities defined the word “lesbian” as a “non-man attracted to non-men" before it was taken down.

www.nbcnews.com

Nikki Haley called the definition part of a "war on women," though, which strikes me as remarkably inconsistent considering her own efforts to deny millions of women access to abortion. She's also campaigning for a party that has harbored vocal opponents of same-sex marriage for many years. If she's so concerned about lesbians and all other women rather than only conservative ones or ones who fit into certain boxes, maybe a change in her own politics and campaigning would be a good start. Her anti-abortion politics that seek to ban it could lead to denial of life-saving care for many of them.

"I think defining lesbians as "non-men" places men as some default reference for the term, which is problematic"

So do others...

"Lesbian was literally the only word in English language that is not tied to man- as in male- feMALE, man- woMAN," tennis star Martina Navratilova, who is a lesbian, tweeted Monday. "And now lesbians are non men?!? Wtf?!?"
"

 

[Stevicus]

You can't just make this craziness up.

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women

"Johns Hopkins University removed an online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities this week after its definition of the word "lesbian" used the term "non-men" to refer to women and some nonbinary people and fueled an online uproar.

Screenshots of the glossary before it was taken down showed that the university defined the word "lesbian" as a "non-man attracted to non-men." It added that while past definitions have referred to lesbians as women who are sexually attracted to other women, the "updated definition" is intended to include nonbinary people who may identify with the label.

"Lesbian was literally the only word in English language that is not tied to man- as in male- feMALE, man- woMAN," tennis star Martina Navratilova, who is a lesbian, tweeted Monday. "And now lesbians are non men?!? Wtf?!?"

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women'

The university's online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities defined the word “lesbian” as a “non-man attracted to non-men" before it was taken down.

www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Does that mean that men are "non-women"?

 

[Estro Felino]

I would use this definition:
a lesbian is a vagina-haver attracted to other vagina-havers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"I think defining lesbians as "non-men" places men as some default reference for the term, which is problematic"

So do others...

"Lesbian was literally the only word in English language that is not tied to man- as in male- feMALE, man- woMAN," tennis star Martina Navratilova, who is a lesbian, tweeted Monday. "And now lesbians are non men?!? Wtf?!?"
"

Some people think the world revolves around their own terms.

 

[Kfox]

You can't just make this craziness up.

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women

"Johns Hopkins University removed an online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities this week after its definition of the word "lesbian" used the term "non-men" to refer to women and some nonbinary people and fueled an online uproar.

Screenshots of the glossary before it was taken down showed that the university defined the word "lesbian" as a "non-man attracted to non-men." It added that while past definitions have referred to lesbians as women who are sexually attracted to other women, the "updated definition" is intended to include nonbinary people who may identify with the label.

"Lesbian was literally the only word in English language that is not tied to man- as in male- feMALE, man- woMAN," tennis star Martina Navratilova, who is a lesbian, tweeted Monday. "And now lesbians are non men?!? Wtf?!?"

Johns Hopkins pulls 'lesbian' definition after uproar over use of 'non-men' instead of 'women'

The university's online glossary of LGBTQ terms and identities defined the word “lesbian” as a “non-man attracted to non-men" before it was taken down.

www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

So an adolescent boy attracted to an adolescent girl is a lesbian now?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So an adolescent boy attracted to an adolescent girl is a lesbian now?

Ahh, I remember those heady days I had being a lesbian. Rolling in the grass, sliding down slides, playing with my Poke'mon cards. What a lesbian I was!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nikki Haley called the definition part of a "war on women," though, which strikes me as remarkably inconsistent considering her own efforts to deny millions of women access to abortion. She's also campaigning for a party that has harbored vocal opponents of same-sex marriage for many years. If she's so concerned about lesbians and all other women rather than only conservative ones or ones who fit into certain boxes, maybe a change in her own politics and campaigning would be a good start. Her anti-abortion politics that seek to ban it could lead to denial of life-saving care for many of them.

In a weird way, I think the current position is progress.

It wasn't that long ago that lesbian women would have been considered complete pariahs by the Republicans. Now they're trying to position themselves as being on the same side as the lesbians.

It's all BS, of course, but I find it interesting that "we stand with the lesbians" messaging is now a tactic that doesn't backfire with the Republican base.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Lesbian was literally the only word in English language that is not tied to man- as in male- feMALE, man- woMAN,"

I can think of other words, eg, "crankshaft".
Oh, that has "shaft".
How about "interstice"?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I can think of other words, eg, "crankshaft".
Oh, that has "shaft".
How about "interstice"?

Also, the word "Lesbian" is definitely tied to a man. I know lots of men called "Ian".

 

[Estro Felino]

In a weird way, I think the current position is progress.

It wasn't that long ago that lesbian women would have been considered complete pariahs by the Republicans. Now they're trying to position themselves as being on the same side as the lesbians.

It's all BS, of course, but I find it interesting that "we stand with the lesbians" messaging is now a tactic that doesn't backfire with the Republican base.

The problem is that there is no such a thing as a bisexual movement.
Bisexuals are too ashamed of expressing their own identity and orientation in public,...so sexual orientation is always portrayed as something either black or white.
Either you are 100% straight or you are 100% homosexual.

 

[crossfire]

The problem is that there is no such a thing as a bisexual movement.
Bisexuals are too ashamed of expressing their own identity and orientation in public,...so sexual orientation is always portrayed as something either black or white.
Either you are 100% straight or you are 100% homosexual.

What? Which universe are you living in?

 

[Revoltingest]

Also, the word "Lesbian" is definitely tied to a man. I know lots of men called "Ian".

And there's Les Paul.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The problem is that there is no such a thing as a bisexual movement.
Bisexuals are too ashamed of expressing their own identity and orientation in public,...so sexual orientation is always portrayed as something either black or white.
Either you are 100% straight or you are 100% homosexual.

The Republicans were pretty opposed to bi people not too long ago as well. Now, it seems like they're willing to pander to them for political points while passing policies to harm them... which again can be seen as kind of progress from a time not too long ago when they were only passing policies to harm them.

 

[Estro Felino]

The Republicans were pretty opposed to bi people not too long ago as well. Now, it seems like they're willing to pander to them for political points while passing policies to harm them... which again can be seen as kind of progress from a time not too long ago when they were only passing policies to harm them.

Politics takes advantage of this issues, that's for sure.
But it is normal that homosexual people want to define in a very strict way their own identity.
It's normal that lesbians point out that they are into ciswomen only.

And it's great: they won't ever steal your husband from you.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Republicans were pretty opposed to bi people not too long ago as well. Now, it seems like they're willing to pander to them for political points while passing policies to harm them... which again can be seen as kind of progress from a time not too long ago when they were only passing policies to harm them.

Let's not forget that Democrats' knuckles
dragged too. Even Dick Cheney was more
progressive the Obama or the Clintons.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And there's Les Paul.

Great, now I am thinking of how guitars mimic the shape of a woman . . . well the important parts at least (ducks).