Let's Get Real

[Holdasown]

1.Which religion is the right one?
None

2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one?
In my religion, I would advise people to be sure they are not involved in a white supremacists group.

3.Which set of scriptures are the right one?
If they are accurate about the gods they are discussing they are fine.

4.How many deities are there?
All of them.

5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.?
Depends on how you feel about what they have to say.

 

[dianaiad]

By the time I finish this post, I will undoubtedly make many enemies, but here it goes anyway, starting off with a series of questions.

1.Which religion is the right one?

mine.

2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one?

mine.

3.Which set of scriptures are the right one?

The ones I use.

4.How many deities are there?

I worship only one.

5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.?

All of them are right some of the time. Only Jesus was perfect and right all the time.

Now, notice that I asked you your opinions, but what I want you to do is to provide objectively-derived evidence to substantiate your beliefs.

I'll save you time-- you can't do it. So, Let's Get Real.

Of course we can't do that. I certainly can't. Religion ain't science, and religious truth cannot be proven objectively. Doesn't make it 'untrue,' however.

If I say that our universe was created by the Cosmic Godzilla, with stars being his flaming spit-wads and the planets not being lit by His fiery breath, show objective evidence that I'm wrong.

Not my job. Your claim...you prove it to be right.

I've posed this before, and no one yet has been able to prove me wrong. Of course I can't prove myself right either. So, what am I saying?

Glad you asked.

I didn't ask, but oh, well....

All religious beliefs are subjective, not objective. They're based on faith, not objective proofs.

Sorry, no. FAITH is based upon belief, and belief is based upon evidence. Others may not think it's GOOD evidence, but hey.... Religious faith is based upon belief in things that are, generally, not objectively provable.

Faith includes belief, but it is NOT belief alone; faith is behaving as if what you believe to be true IS true. As in 'faith without works is dead faith, being alone," and even demons believe, and tremble. there's a rather big difference between mere belief....and faith.

Just sayin'.

By and large, probably most of you will answer the questions above differently with no one being able to prove the others wrong. This is what makes life here at RF so exciting and frustrating-- no one can prove the others wrong, which is why we see endless debates here.

Good typing practice, though, and it does help each of us to cement our OWN opinions rather well.

So, is believing in a religion/denomination wrong-headed? Not imo, but it can be as such is we use religion to badger others by claiming they believe in that which is wrong or "evil" or to ignore the reality that surrounds us. Religion, much like philosophy, can be used for enlightenment or as a set of blinders. We can use it to help people or hurt people. Science can provide us with better understanding the nuts & bolts as to how our universe works but it doesn't tell us how to behave-- or does it? That I'd like to discuss later on, probably tomorrow as I have a busy day today. Plus, I'd like to get your opinions on the above first. [be nice!]

be nice? Well, darn.

Let me just finish off that this post is not anti-religion-- at least not in my case at least. Right now, I'm taking the "glass half-empty" approach, but at least tomorrow I'll be taking the "glass half-full" approach, and for good reason-- at least imo.

OK, you can now gather together to start the "I Hate Metis" club.

Thoughts thus far? Back tomorrow on this, so take care.

Hmmn. Well, I have just one more comment; I would HOPE that all theists would answer the same way I did; mine, mine, mine....because any other comment would be hypocritical.

 

[wizanda]

1.Which religion is the right one?
2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one?
3.Which set of scriptures are the right one?
4.How many deities are there?
5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.?

1. There is only one religion; as each individual religion helps shed light on what the others missed.

2. Each branch adds contradictions; understanding both sides of any argument leads to wisdom.

3. Reality is scripture, everything is to learn from, and everything is always corrupted in someway.

4. There is One God Most High sort of like a CPU that manifests reality at a quantum level; anything seen physically manifest is not the Most High, yet comes from it.

We can also account for 24 Elders/Avatars/Elohim that visit our reality in multiple religious ideologies; these are core reflections of the Most High i.e ambassadors.

5. They all said similar things; we're to learn from all of them, and compare for more understanding.

Now other than we can't prove multiple dimension quantum physics theory yet, most of that is objectively verifiable; think faith only based religion values are limited, and lack consistent logic.

In my opinion.

 

[Milton Platt]

any religion that accepts and insist on "the Golden Rule" is the right one.

What is the "Golden Rule" and why does accepting that make the religion true and pardon any atrocities done by it's adherents?

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

All and None ....

the distortions arise when we raise priests etc. as the holders of the word..
when they are given authority

 

[socharlie]

What is the "Golden Rule" and why does accepting that make the religion true and pardon any atrocities done by it's adherents?

Atricities has nothing to do with religion. People do as they ignore their religion

 

[dianaiad]

What is the "Golden Rule" and why does accepting that make the religion true and pardon any atrocities done by it's adherents?

One can't blame the belief system for the actions of those who break its rules, any more than one can blame the law against stealing for the actions of the shoplifter. I can hear the thief in court now; 'Your honor...there's a law against stealing and that law made me put the shoes under my coat! If there hadn't been a law against it, I would have just taken those shoes and walked out with them, and I wouldn't be here today. See? It's all your fault!"

.....and there isn't a single belief system about deity (whether it's 'my way is the only way" or 'there ain't no such thing') that doesn't have people in it who have committed atrocities. As it happens, the most egregious and homocidal genocides in the twentieth century were committed by governments that were officially atheist (as in...no religion allowed).

I don't think any of the atheists in here would appreciate 'atheism' being tagged with the death of those, literally, millions of deaths.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Atricities has nothing to do with religion. People do as they ignore their religion

I'm hoping there is humor in this post that simply went over my head.

Are you implying that there have been no atrocities performed in the name of religion or religious beliefs?

 

[Baroodi]

By the time I finish this post, I will undoubtedly make many enemies, but here it goes anyway, starting off with a series of questions.

1.Which religion is the right one?
2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one?
3.Which set of scriptures are the right one?
4.How many deities are there?
5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.?

Now, notice that I asked you your opinions, but what I want you to do is to provide objectively-derived evidence to substantiate your beliefs.

I'll save you time-- you can't do it. So, Let's Get Real.

If I say that our universe was created by the Cosmic Godzilla, with stars being his flaming spit-wads and the planets not being lit by His fiery breath, show objective evidence that I'm wrong. I've posed this before, and no one yet has been able to prove me wrong. Of course I can't prove myself right either. So, what am I saying?

Glad you asked. All religious beliefs are subjective, not objective. They're based on faith, not objective proofs. By and large, probably most of you will answer the questions above differently with no one being able to prove the others wrong. This is what makes life here at RF so exciting and frustrating-- no one can prove the others wrong, which is why we see endless debates here.

So, is believing in a religion/denomination wrong-headed? Not imo, but it can be as such is we use religion to badger others by claiming they believe in that which is wrong or "evil" or to ignore the reality that surrounds us. Religion, much like philosophy, can be used for enlightenment or as a set of blinders. We can use it to help people or hurt people. Science can provide us with better understanding the nuts & bolts as to how our universe works but it doesn't tell us how to behave-- or does it? That I'd like to discuss later on, probably tomorrow as I have a busy day today. Plus, I'd like to get your opinions on the above first. [be nice!]

Let me just finish off that this post is not anti-religion-- at least not in my case at least. Right now, I'm taking the "glass half-empty" approach, but at least tomorrow I'll be taking the "glass half-full" approach, and for good reason-- at least imo.

OK, you can now gather together to start the "I Hate Metis" club.

Thoughts thus far? Back tomorrow on this, so take care.

Good questions. but to get the answers you have to probe for them. If you ask most of the merchants about what they are selling, each one will tell you his commodity is the best in the market. So before you buy you have to test it very well. If tou take it and then you discovered a flaw, you need to take it back as you got a guarantee on it.
You need to study all these books and then decide which you will buy. it is arduous and taxing, but worth doing.

 

[suncowiam]

Are you certain of that? I'm not.

I don't find it difficult to provide objectively-derived evidence to substantiate my beliefs and practices (yes, practices - let us please not overlook the fact that many religions are far more about what you do than what goes on inside your head). The thing is, I can only do that if someone asks a proper question. A question like "which religion is the right one" is simply a bad question. It's a bad question because it assumes a singular answer, but it's also a nonsensical question because it begs another: right for what? It is better to ask something like "which religions provide helpful tools for personal relaxation?" That is easy to answer substantively.

If folks started asking better questions about religions, they'd easily get more substantive answers. Alas, folks frequently ask bad questions about religions. Folks frequently ask bad questions just in general, come to think of it. Oh well.

Maybe I'll make a thread with tips for asking good questions...

You're missing his point.

His questions made the point that no one can answer them objectively... Any one that tries to suggest it beyond a personal experience is fooling themselves.

There is no right or wrong religion based on objectivity. You actually just repeated and affirmed his point.

You misunderstood the goal of his questions, not the content, so can you truly suggest if they were good or bad questions?

 

[Enoch07]

By the time I finish this post, I will undoubtedly make many enemies, but here it goes anyway, starting off with a series of questions.

1.Which religion is the right one?
2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one?
3.Which set of scriptures are the right one?
4.How many deities are there?
5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.?

Now, notice that I asked you your opinions, but what I want you to do is to provide objectively-derived evidence to substantiate your beliefs.

I'll save you time-- you can't do it. So, Let's Get Real.

If I say that our universe was created by the Cosmic Godzilla, with stars being his flaming spit-wads and the planets not being lit by His fiery breath, show objective evidence that I'm wrong. I've posed this before, and no one yet has been able to prove me wrong. Of course I can't prove myself right either. So, what am I saying?

Glad you asked. All religious beliefs are subjective, not objective. They're based on faith, not objective proofs. By and large, probably most of you will answer the questions above differently with no one being able to prove the others wrong. This is what makes life here at RF so exciting and frustrating-- no one can prove the others wrong, which is why we see endless debates here.

So, is believing in a religion/denomination wrong-headed? Not imo, but it can be as such is we use religion to badger others by claiming they believe in that which is wrong or "evil" or to ignore the reality that surrounds us. Religion, much like philosophy, can be used for enlightenment or as a set of blinders. We can use it to help people or hurt people. Science can provide us with better understanding the nuts & bolts as to how our universe works but it doesn't tell us how to behave-- or does it? That I'd like to discuss later on, probably tomorrow as I have a busy day today. Plus, I'd like to get your opinions on the above first. [be nice!]

Let me just finish off that this post is not anti-religion-- at least not in my case at least. Right now, I'm taking the "glass half-empty" approach, but at least tomorrow I'll be taking the "glass half-full" approach, and for good reason-- at least imo.

OK, you can now gather together to start the "I Hate Metis" club.

Thoughts thus far? Back tomorrow on this, so take care.

The answer is it's your opinion. And you are allowed to have it regardless of who agrees or disagrees with you. Just as anyone who believes in whatever their religion is.

I don't have a problem with your opinion and can respect that. So long as you can allow me to have my opinion and respect it in return. Sound fair?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

These questions have been asked for thousands of years. Unfortunately, no one has the right answers at this time. Satan has taken control of the earth and human minds. He has prevented people from knowing the truth. The good news is that Jesus will return to earth and take control from Satan. Then people's minds will be open and everyone will know the truth. Until then, the debate will rage on. People will even debate the accuracy of this post. But just wait.

 

[sayak83]

I do not think religion is like cooking. If a person uses religion for hate and destruction, who's authority is it to suggest this is wrong or right? Definitely not yours or mine. All we can offer are our opinions. I think the one authority that can answer this is God, but God tends to be quiet on these issues. Or the people that relays Gods' messages tend to contradict each other.

In human society, we jointly hold the authority over each other's actions.

 

[suncowiam]

In human society, we jointly hold the authority over each other's actions.

Do we really? What authority would I have over you?

 

[sayak83]

Do we really? What authority would I have over you?

Of law, jointly created by the the lawmakers voted by us.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

1.Which religion is the right one?
2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one?
3.Which set of scriptures are the right one?
4.How many deities are there?
5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.?

1. In regards to what question?
2. See #1.
3. See #1.
4. Not even I claim to know this one. I worship a handful, and that's all I know.
5. See #1.

 

[Grandliseur]

I insert my answer in red into your quote!

1.Which religion is the right one? Mine
2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one? None!
3.Which set of scriptures are the right one? The Bible, non apocryphal version.
4.How many deities are there? How many fallen angels are there?!
5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.? Jesus.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

@metis

First off, I don't hate you buddy and nothing you say can make me do that.

Now to your other statements, I offer the following points:

When you say objective evidence, I'll assume you mean scientific? There is nothing objective in saying that scientific evidence is 'objective'. Science doesn't make this insistence within itself- that it be treated as sole arbitrator of truth. Since science doesn't say that, we need to figure out what the objective standard actually is.

Now to your point about differing worldviews and what we'll all try to say. You're right that we won't agree, but that isn't evidence that none of us are right. I submit to you that no religion other than the Dharmic ones try to account for the entire human experience of reality. What I mean by this, as an example- is that Christianity cannot tell you why divine revelation should be accepted, or how actions are important if their standard is wrong. However, I can tell you why I accept Buddhist teaching is true.

The Buddha explained and accounted for every single aspect of reality down to a fine detail. He explained why actions matter. Why things happen the way they do. What the nature of material reality is. There is not a single aspect of Buddhism that neglects to account for anything. It is a total and complete explanation.

As for sects. I probably shouldn't open this can of worms, but the sect of Buddhism likely to be the true one is the one most in accord with the Buddha's teaching and spirit- which is Mahayana. Why?

>>> The Buddha sought out enlightenment because things suffer. Meaning the fact that things suffer is the right motivation of Buddhist practice. The Buddha didn't seek Nirvana simply for it's own sake, but Theravada might as well say that. They say an individual attaining enlightenment must be first, but the Buddha didn't seek enlightenment out of individualism- or even because of what enlightenment might be.

If the Buddha was motivated solely by the desire to end suffering and not Nirvana- why should Buddhists take a different standard for our practice? We should practice Buddhism to end suffering first and foremost.

I hope I was articulate and precise in my points.

 

[Faithofchristian]

By the time I finish this post, I will undoubtedly make many enemies, but here it goes anyway, starting off with a series of questions.

1.Which religion is the right one?
2.Which denomination/branch in that religion is the right one?
3.Which set of scriptures are the right one?
4.How many deities are there?
5.Who is right: Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, the Buddha, etc.?

Now, notice that I asked you your opinions, but what I want you to do is to provide objectively-derived evidence to substantiate your beliefs.

I'll save you time-- you can't do it. So, Let's Get Real.

If I say that our universe was created by the Cosmic Godzilla, with stars being his flaming spit-wads and the planets not being lit by His fiery breath, show objective evidence that I'm wrong. I've posed this before, and no one yet has been able to prove me wrong. Of course I can't prove myself right either. So, what am I saying?

Glad you asked. All religious beliefs are subjective, not objective. They're based on faith, not objective proofs. By and large, probably most of you will answer the questions above differently with no one being able to prove the others wrong. This is what makes life here at RF so exciting and frustrating-- no one can prove the others wrong, which is why we see endless debates here.

So, is believing in a religion/denomination wrong-headed? Not imo, but it can be as such is we use religion to badger others by claiming they believe in that which is wrong or "evil" or to ignore the reality that surrounds us. Religion, much like philosophy, can be used for enlightenment or as a set of blinders. We can use it to help people or hurt people. Science can provide us with better understanding the nuts & bolts as to how our universe works but it doesn't tell us how to behave-- or does it? That I'd like to discuss later on, probably tomorrow as I have a busy day today. Plus, I'd like to get your opinions on the above first. [be nice!]

Let me just finish off that this post is not anti-religion-- at least not in my case at least. Right now, I'm taking the "glass half-empty" approach, but at least tomorrow I'll be taking the "glass half-full" approach, and for good reason-- at least imo.

OK, you can now gather together to start the "I Hate Metis" club.

Thoughts thus far? Back tomorrow on this, so take care.

Ok let's get real.

What ever Religion you chose, Go for it.
That about some's it all up.

What ever Religion I chose to belong to. What's that to you.

It's always the same O thing, can you prove why you belong to such and such Religion.

What ever Religion a person chooses to belong to, what is that to anyone.

 

[Quintessence]

You're missing his point.

So you believe. Certainly, you missed mine, but that's okay. A response from the person I was actually addressing will be more relevant to me.