Let's revisit the "chicken or the egg"

[We Never Know]

It's said that only a chicken can lay a chicken egg because only the chicken produces the protein ovocleiden needed to lay a chicken egg. So.....

What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg.
In other words was it an egg that contained a chicken or was it a nonchicken that laid a chicken egg?
Now If it was an egg laid by a nonchicken without the protein ovocleiden, then it wasn't a chicken egg laid by a chicken but could be if it contained a chicken.
However if it didn't contain the protein ovocleiden, then a non-chicken couldn't lay a chicken egg that contained a chicken.
So how could it contain a chicken if only a chicken with the protein ovocleiden can lay a chicken egg?
Think it it over

 

[Mock Turtle]

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

My guess is that a chicken evolved from some other animal. It's probably not a matter of saying "This is now a chicken" at any one point in the evolution cycle, but if it was.... I think the chicken could have maybe come first?

 

[ratiocinator]

It's said that only a chicken can lay a chicken egg because only the chicken produces the protein ovocleiden needed to lay a chicken egg. So.....

What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg.
In other words was it an egg that contained a chicken or was it a nonchicken that laid a chicken egg?
Now If it was an egg laid by a nonchicken without the protein ovocleiden, then it wasn't a chicken egg laid by a chicken but could be if it contained a chicken.
However if it didn't contain the protein ovocleiden, then a non-chicken couldn't lay a chicken egg that contained a chicken.
So how could it contain a chicken if only a chicken with the protein ovocleiden can lay a chicken egg?
Think it it over

You'd first have to draw a very artificial but exact line between a chicken and an almost-chicken.

Here's a discussion: Which came first: the chicken or the egg?

 

[Heyo]

It's said that only a chicken can lay a chicken egg because only the chicken produces the protein ovocleiden needed to lay a chicken egg. So.....

What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg.
In other words was it an egg that contained a chicken or was it a nonchicken that laid a chicken egg?
Now If it was an egg laid by a nonchicken without the protein ovocleiden, then it wasn't a chicken egg laid by a chicken but could be if it contained a chicken.
However if it didn't contain the protein ovocleiden, then a non-chicken couldn't lay a chicken egg that contained a chicken.
So how could it contain a chicken if only a chicken with the protein ovocleiden can lay a chicken egg?
Think it it over

Given your definition the chicken came first, hatched from an egg laid by a bird that didn't produce ovocleiden but, through a mutation, being able to produce said protein.
To the general question: there were eggs long before there were even birds.

 

[ChristineM]

It's said that only a chicken can lay a chicken egg because only the chicken produces the protein ovocleiden needed to lay a chicken egg. So.....

What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg.
In other words was it an egg that contained a chicken or was it a nonchicken that laid a chicken egg?
Now If it was an egg laid by a nonchicken without the protein ovocleiden, then it wasn't a chicken egg laid by a chicken but could be if it contained a chicken.
However if it didn't contain the protein ovocleiden, then a non-chicken couldn't lay a chicken egg that contained a chicken.
So how could it contain a chicken if only a chicken with the protein ovocleiden can lay a chicken egg?
Think it it over

Evolved from egg laying dinosaurs so both came together, slowly over time.

 

[Nimos]

It's said that only a chicken can lay a chicken egg because only the chicken produces the protein ovocleiden needed to lay a chicken egg. So.....

What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg.
In other words was it an egg that contained a chicken or was it a nonchicken that laid a chicken egg?
Now If it was an egg laid by a nonchicken without the protein ovocleiden, then it wasn't a chicken egg laid by a chicken but could be if it contained a chicken.
However if it didn't contain the protein ovocleiden, then a non-chicken couldn't lay a chicken egg that contained a chicken.
So how could it contain a chicken if only a chicken with the protein ovocleiden can lay a chicken egg?
Think it it over

According to these the egg came first

At the end of the day, the question is something of a false dichotomy. Eggs certainly came before chickens, but chicken eggs did not—you can’t have one without the other. However, if we absolutely had to pick a side, based on the evolutionary evidence, we’re on Team Egg.

Which came first: the chicken or the egg?

 

[exchemist]

It's said that only a chicken can lay a chicken egg because only the chicken produces the protein ovocleiden needed to lay a chicken egg. So.....

What came first, the chicken or the chicken egg.
In other words was it an egg that contained a chicken or was it a nonchicken that laid a chicken egg?
Now If it was an egg laid by a nonchicken without the protein ovocleiden, then it wasn't a chicken egg laid by a chicken but could be if it contained a chicken.
However if it didn't contain the protein ovocleiden, then a non-chicken couldn't lay a chicken egg that contained a chicken.
So how could it contain a chicken if only a chicken with the protein ovocleiden can lay a chicken egg?
Think it it over

Ever hear of something called a continuum?

 

[Revoltingest]

I've covered this already.
If ever there were a first chicken, then it's mom was a non-chicken.
(It was some clear demarcation in an evolutionary line.)
Thus the egg came first.

 

[Tambourine]

My guess is that a chicken evolved from some other animal. It's probably not a matter of saying "This is now a chicken" at any one point in the evolution cycle, but if it was.... I think the chicken could have maybe come first?

Sounds blasphemous. Are you sure chicken were not created by God after he made the flat Earth?

 

[Tambourine]

I've covered this already.
If ever there were a first chicken, then it's mom was a non-chicken.
(It was some clear demarcation in an evolutionary line.)
Thus the egg came first.

What if the first chicken's mom was an Egg, though?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Sounds blasphemous. Are you sure chicken were not created by God after he made the flat Earth?

First there was a flood I think. But with no Earth, it got outer space very wet. Though that still leaves the question of what happened to Noah. As for Noah's specific whereabouts, we'd have to ask a Noahide - people who have been tracking him for millions of years.

 

[MNoBody]

both chicken and egg are feminine symbols
so conceptually the whole depiction is moot.

 

[Tambourine]

First there was a flood I think. But with no Earth, it got outer space very wet. Though that still leaves the question of what happened to Noah. As for Noah's specific whereabouts, we'd have to ask a Noahide - people who have been tracking him for millions of years.

NaOH is a potent caustic compound, suggesting that Noah won't like it if we go looking for him when he doesn't want to be found.

 

[Revoltingest]

What if the first chicken's mom was an Egg, though?

It would be a non-chicken egg.

 

[We Never Know]

It would be a non-chicken egg.

Which came first the chicken or an egg containing a chicken..... Looks like the winner is an egg containing a chicken

 

[ratiocinator]

Which came first the chicken or an egg containing a chicken..... Looks like the winner is an egg containing a chicken

It really is entirely down to arbitrary definitions. If you take 'egg' to just mean any sort of egg, then it came way, way before any chickens or anything like them. If you take 'egg' to mean specifically chicken eggs, then you have to define both exactly (and arbitrarily).

 

[Revoltingest]

Which came first the chicken or an egg containing a chicken..... Looks like the winner is an egg containing a chicken

Correcto mundogusto!

 

[syo]

I think the chicken became first. God created the chicken to lay eggs. The chicken preexists the eggs. Eggs don't lay chickens out of the blue, and I support intelligent design. So, I support the chicken first egg later.

 

[We Never Know]

It really is entirely down to arbitrary definitions. If you take 'egg' to just mean any sort of egg, then it came way, way before any chickens or anything like them. If you take 'egg' to mean specifically chicken eggs, then you have to define both exactly (and arbitrarily).

I never said just an "egg". I clearly said what came first, the chicken or chicken egg.

Anyone with any sense knows an egg came before even birds.