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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
More than God, it is Bahaullah that is important. Same with all the other Abrahamic religions. All have their own sons, messengers, prophets, mahdis, etc. Thank history (being an atheist I have no God to thank :)), Hinduism does not need to prop up any particular person. All are free to follow or criticize any religious leader, past or present, and hold views different from him (no such woman, they were busy cooking for their families, therefore, him; though RigVeda mentions some 30 women rishikas - poetesses who wrote hymns).
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
You can't be two at the same time. Abrahamic as well as Dharmic. Buddhism and Jainism do not accept existence of God and majority of Hindus are polytheists. We just do not gel together with One God, Son, Messenger, Manifestation, Mahdi, etc. Let us pursue our different ways peacefully. I see no harm in this. Why do you insist to have us in your circuit bowing to Bahaullah who is of no concern to us? Abdul=Baha mentioned Hinduism! Do you want to carve out an empire? It means you do not value what Hindus value as equal to yours. Window dressing will not do. We smell a rat.

Once again, dear Aup, the Bahá’í Faith is ABRAHAMIC, NOT DHARMIC!!! OURS IS NOT A SYNCRETIC RELIGION. WE HAVE OUR OWN SCRIPTURES, BELIEFS, TEACHINGS, PRACTICES, AND HISTORY. Though we believe that all religions are various chapters in the same Divine Plan, followers of other religions do not. That is absolutely OK. I see no harm whatsoever in allowing others the leeway in believing or not as they so choose. What is most important, rather than flinging insults or speaking offensively about one another, is respectful dialogue. That is why this thread was created.

Additionally, we Bahá’ís are not saying that every person has to be a Bahá’í. We're not out to force our beliefs on people. We just teach whoever wants to know. If people dig what we teach, what we're about, that's wonderful! If not, all is still well! We don't see our Faith as superior to any other Faith, because we believe that they all come from God, Hinduism included! Speaking of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, he said,

Man must look towards the Light, and think not the Lamp to be essential...

One of the things this quote is saying is that in the end, Truth is Truth, Wisom is Wisdom, Righteousness is Righteousness. It matters not whether one is Christian, Jewish, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Muslim, or Pagan. Wherever one finds positive guidance, follow it!

Again, it's fine if Bahá’u’lláh is irrelevant to you, dear Aup, or anyone really. We do not force people to believe in Bahá’u’lláh. It's not as though we believe unless people become Bahá’ís, they're gonna go to Hell. We don't believe in Hell (at least, not as a literal place). We don't believe that other religions are wrong! Yes, we disagree on things, but we don't see those as deficiencies at all. That's natural.

Finally, for (I hope) the last time, this is what Bahá’ís believe about God: There is one Supreme Being, whose Essence will forever remain hidden from humankind. As to the various Names, Conceptions, Forms, etc. in the countless cultures and religions of the earth, we believe that they deal with the same One. Because of this, we teach all of them are valid, but at the same time, inaccurate, including our own.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
More than God, it is Bahaullah that is important. Same with all the other Abrahamic religions. All have their own sons, messengers, prophets, mahdis, etc. Thank history (being an atheist I have no God to thank :)), Hinduism does not need to prop up any particular person. All are free to follow or criticize any religious leader, past or present, and hold views different from him (no such woman, they were busy cooking for their families, therefore, him; though RigVeda mentions some 30 women rishikas - poetesses who wrote hymns).

Again, cut the bs. God is most important in the Bahá’í Faith, though Bahá’u’lláh (and indeed, each and all of the Manifestations) provides a way for us to reach Him. The Manifestations, Religions, Scriptures....each and all of them are the Tree of Life, y’know. Of course, you can choose to criticize them, but if you're benefitting from their Teachings, why would you want to?
 
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MD

qualiaphile
How do Bahais reconcile the Rasoolallah (last prophet of Islam) concept of Islam with the fact that Bahaiullah came after? Doesn't the Bahaiullah negate the Rasoolallah, which negates Islam, which would essentially mean that Bahai's don't follow the Quran fully? Would negating the Rasoolallah negate Bahaism itself, since it follows Islam?

Sorry if these questions come off as attacking or rude, I'm sincerely asking this from a position and perspective of curioristy rather than anything else. I have met many Bahais in my life and know very well the hardships you guys face in Iran and other parts of the Muslim world. One of the main reasons for this persecution is the challenge to Rassoolallah claim by Mohammed, which is why I ask. Peace.
 
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arthra

Baha'i
How do Bahais reconcile the Rasoolallah (last prophet of Islam) concept of Islam with the fact that Bahaiullah came after? Doesn't the Bahaiullah negate the Rasoolallah, which negates Islam, which would essentially mean that Bahai's don't follow the Quran fully? Would negating the Rasoolallah negate Bahaism itself, since it follows Islam?

Sorry if these questions come off as attacking or rude, I'm sincerely asking this from a position and perspective of curioristy rather than anything else. I have met many Bahais in my life and know very well the hardships you guys face in Iran and other parts of the Muslim world. One of the main reasons for this persecution is the challenge to Rassoolallah claim by Mohammed, which is why I ask. Peace.

MD... Thanks for your excellent question...

I will quote here what Baha'u'llah has revealed as His words for us are the best response to the issue:

Even as He saith: "Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but He is the Messenger of God." Viewed in this light, they are all but Messengers of that ideal King, that unchangeable Essence. And were they all to proclaim, "I am the Seal of the Prophets," they, verily, utter but the truth, beyond the faintest shadow of doubt. For they are all but one person, one soul, one spirit, one being, one revelation. They are all the manifestation of the "Beginning" and the "End," the "First" and the "Last," the "Seen" and the "Hidden" -- all of which pertain to Him Who is the Innermost Spirit of Spirits and Eternal Essence of Essences.

~ Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 53

There's also an excellent article I would commend to you found at:

http://bahai-library.com/fananapazir_fazel_finality_islam
 
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