Let's suppose that when you die... !

[Godobeyer]

I would like to add.......I waited.

It was blabber.


No. But you would have been better off asking about if I was Jewish. Which I'm not. But it still would have been in a better direction.

I find it weird.

Why you believe that Adam (pbuh) was not a Muslim (believer) to God since you are nor Muslim or Christian or Jew ?

 

[LuisDantas]

and our earlier "creatures" someof them was with out brian some was without heart ,bones ....etc .

Indeed. It took a while for them to be multicellular, even.

It is not really possible to doubt that in good faith anymore.

We are run on life track ,for your opinion if all actual creatures died (on the earth next year), that would be appeance of new creatures without "extern power" , next millions of years ?

Are you asking me whether I think life would arise spontaneously? Probably, but not necessarily on Earth.

Depending on how inhospitable to life Earth became in your proposed scenario, it would be perhaps unavoidable for sentient life to arise again. Cetaceans and monkeys are almost there already.

For my opinion there was no primitive for all cases, there was an extinction and appreance (creation).

That is just about impossible to reconcile with the evidence, though.

 

[Godobeyer]

Indeed. It took a while for them to be multicellular, even.

It is not really possible to doubt that in good faith anymore.



Are you asking me whether I think life would arise spontaneously? Probably, but not necessarily on Earth.

Depending on how inhospitable to life Earth became in your proposed scenario, it would be perhaps unavoidable for sentient life to arise again. Cetaceans and monkeys are almost there already.

That is just about impossible to reconcile with the evidence, though.

I do believe there extinction between creatures millions of years ago.
Maybe also and extinction of human being (or similaire to human being), and God re-created again, that cleary mention in Quran.

SO being a hospitable life in other planet , so the life appears from nowhere !

I believe there is a life on other planets , there is 7 planets may life in.

 

[LuisDantas]

I do believe there extinction between creatures millions of years ago.

There is certainly no shortage of species that went extinct, but I take it you mean something else. Not sure what exactly.

Maybe also and extinction of human being (or similaire to human being), and God re-created again, that cleary mention in Quran.

We would have found some evidence for that, I think.

SO being a hospitable life in other planet , so the life appears from nowhere !

Not nowhere exactly. Life arises from self-repeating chemical reactions, given a proper environment.

I believe there is a life on other planets , there is 7 planets may life in.

 

[Godobeyer]

There is certainly no shortage of species that went extinct, but I take it you mean something else. Not sure what exactly.

All species that was exist before,not exist today, include dinosaurs.

We would have found some evidence for that, I think.

Certainly there was specie looks like humans,before Adam(pbuh).

Not nowhere exactly. Life arises from self-repeating chemical reactions, given a proper environment

Who made the structure of the chema/plan of that chemical....etc ,to end to something alive (male/female),trees....etc?

 

[LuisDantas]

All species that was exist before,not exist today, include dinosaurs.

I'm not sure that is quite true. It depends on what time reference you are using, I suppose. In any case, there is no evidence I am aware of for any sudden extinction of most species at any given time.

Of course, speciation and natural selection are continuous processes, so it is very much expected that most species will give way for their own successors, given enough time.

Certainly there was specie looks like humans,before Adam(pbuh).

According to the Qur'an, you mean?

While it is believed that there was a biological Adam, it is very much dangerous to attempt to reconcile him with the scriptural Adam.

For one thing, it is all but entirely certain that he was all but indistinguishable from his own closest ancestors. There is no known scientific reason to expect anything else, mostly because he is defined by the simple circunstance of being the common ancestor of all or most of humanity.

Sure, people may well expect him to have been created by direct divine intervention without having any true biological ancestors. Or perhaps for him to have been divinely granted self-conscience and/or a soul, which is almost by definition a matter of opinion and therefore impossible to prove one way or the other.

But the fact of the matter is that it is and likely will ever remain a belief as opposed to established fact or even well-supported scientific theory. At least, I can't really think of any experiment or observation that could ever support such beliefs.

Who made the structure of the chema/plan of that chemical....etc ,to end to something alive (male/female),trees....etc?

It seems all but certain to me that life arose spontaneously out of freely occurring chemical elements. No design or intent is apparent or even likely.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm not sure that is quite true. It depends on what time reference you are using, I suppose. In any case, there is no evidence I am aware of for any sudden extinction of most species at any given time.
Of course, speciation and natural selection are continuous processes, so it is very much expected that most species will give way for their own successors, given enough time.

Since there were species existed before,not exist today so it's possible it's about extinction not evolution.

According to the Qur'an, you mean?

While it is believed that there was a biological Adam, it is very much dangerous to attempt to reconcile him with the scriptural Adam.

For one thing, it is all but entirely certain that he was all but indistinguishable from his own closest ancestors. There is no known scientific reason to expect anything else, mostly because he is defined by the simple circunstance of being the common ancestor of all or most of humanity.

Sure, people may well expect him to have been created by direct divine intervention without having any true biological ancestors. Or perhaps for him to have been divinely granted self-conscience and/or a soul, which is almost by definition a matter of opinion and therefore impossible to prove one way or the other.

But the fact of the matter is that it is and likely will ever remain a belief as opposed to established fact or even well-supported scientific theory. At least, I can't really think of any experiment or observation that could ever support such beliefs.

Sorry I don't get this point, can you brief it?

It seems all but certain to me that life arose spontaneously out of freely occurring chemical elements. No design or intent is apparent or even likely.

chemical elements alone could not creat perfect bodies and creatures ...and trees without plan of structure.

spontaneously could not creat be perfect work,without help intelligence.

chemical elements don't have intelligence.

 

[LuisDantas]

Since there were species existed before,not exist today so it's possible it's about extinction not evolution.

Extinction of species is a natural and necessary part of biological evolution. Are you proposing total extinction, of all lifeforms? Including virii and bacteria?

I suppose that could conceivably have happened, but the odds seem very slim to the point of seeming like a dark miracle. Even humans are very resilient, and we have nothing on cockroaches, let alone bacteria.

But if it did happen, it would mean that life would somehow have arisen again at some later point, wouldn't it?

Sorry I don't get this point, can you brief it?

The gist of it is that beliefs that life or even specifically human, conscious life arose out of divine will are impossible to support and are at the very least likely to remain so.

chemical elements alone could not creat perfect bodies and creatures ...and trees without plan of structure.

We do not have perfect bodies. Quite on the contrary, even. We are fairly stable and adaptable in the long term in a very unpersonal way, which is a far cry from perfect in my book.

spontaneously could not creat be perfect work,without help intelligence.

And far as the evidence shows, that indeed did not happen.

chemical elements don't have intelligence.

True. Chemical reactions, however, are very much selective and tend to organize themselves spontaneously.

 

[Godobeyer]

Extinction of species is a natural and necessary part of biological evolution. Are you proposing total extinction, of all lifeforms? Including virii and bacteria?

I suppose that could conceivably have happened, but the odds seem very slim to the point of seeming like a dark miracle. Even humans are very resilient, and we have nothing on cockroaches, let alone bacteria.

But if it did happen, it would mean that life would somehow have arisen again at some later point, wouldn't it?

No I don't meant total extinction.

I talking about, what you considered primitive ancestors of species, that could be just extinction.

And God created new other species.

Since God creat Adam (pbuh), similaire to that creature.

The gist of it is that beliefs that life or even specifically human, conscious life arose out of divine will are impossible to support and are at the very least likely to remain so.

Billions of people support it (I can say majority of humans being) believing in God!

Why it's impossible to support !

We do not have perfect bodies. Quite on the contrary, even. We are fairly stable and adaptable in the long term in a very unpersonal way, which is a far cry from perfect in my book.

We do have perfect body,since you eyes upper to your nose and mouth, not opposite.

And far as the evidence shows, that indeed did not happen.

What do you mean by "evidence shows" ?

True. Chemical reactions, however, are very much selective and tend to organize themselves spontaneously.

selective !!!!
Who made it selective by intelligence? don't tell me spontaeously again.

 

[Thief]

Is it quite that hard for you to realize and accept that you are talking nonsense with no chance whatsover of convincing me of anything?

Half the time you are talking about things that I plain don't see as even barely possible. The other half seems to assume that I nevertheless believe in them and some more unspoken parts.

And to top it all, there isn't even a point to it all.

I honestly wonder why you keep talking cryptic, meaningless stuff like that. It is not like it can serve any useful purpose.

lost in the conversation....yes you are....

 

[Thief]

You are definitely the one who will face disappointment. You have solidified this outcome for yourself by putting so much stock in your version of the tale. Quite simply put, you're wrong. We all are, so welcome to the club.

I would not make that assumption.....
I have no congregation and I follow no one

I won't be joining your club

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I would not make that assumption.....
I have no congregation and I follow no one

I won't be joining your club

Haha... the point was: you already belong. You're a funny guy.

 

[Thief]

Haha... the point was: you already belong. You're a funny guy.

yeah right

 

[gnomon]

I find it weird.

Why you believe that Adam (pbuh) was not a Muslim (believer) to God since you are nor Muslim or Christian or Jew ?

Because I study history.

 

[gnomon]

I believe they did, maybe the Christians believe that they did not.
Are you a Christian ?

Nope.

Wrong again.

 

[LuisDantas]

No I don't meant total extinction.

I talking about, what you considered primitive ancestors of species, that could be just extinction.

Many things could be. But logically, it is exceedingly unlikely that things just happened in such a way as to give full support for evolutionist theory and then magically turned out otherwise.

That would imply that God has a weird sense of humor and an odd favoritivism for mystification.

Besides, it bears reminding that evolution by no means relies on fossils for evidence. What you are questioning here is not evolution, but the origin of humanity specifically.

And God created new other species.

Since God creat Adam (pbuh), similaire to that creature.

Just because? Or perhaps because he wanted people to think that species arose naturally as opposed to supernaturally?

That is not altogether impossible, I suppose. But it sure sounds like grasping at straws.

Billions of people support it (I can say majority of humans being) believing in God!

Theism is a natural enough occurrence and we should probably accept it as such. It has its dangers, but it is not worth actively fighting against.

But going all the way to challenge actual scientific knowledge in order to protect chauvinistic beliefs that lend humanity a God-given origin and the scriptures that say that it is so?

That goes way beyond what is reasonable or even honorable, sorry.

Why it's impossible to support !

Indeed, anti-evolutionism, which is what people often call "creationism", is impossible to support.

It is also entirely different from and in fact deleterious to theistic beliefs.

We do have perfect body,since you eyes upper to your nose and mouth, not opposite.

That is functionality, not perfection. And it is far better explained (and supported by evidence) by naturalistic explanations than by supernatural ones.

Natural selection has been well understood and documented for well over a century. It is really no big challenge at this point in time.

What do you mean by "evidence shows" ?

We as biological beings are hardly perfect. Let alone anthropologically ...

Much of our main challenges are ultimately variations on the theme of "how do we stop ourselves and each other from making our existences miserable and/or commiting genocide"?

selective !!!!
Who made it selective by intelligence? don't tell me spontaeously again.

But that what does in fact happen in reality. Acids and bases react with each other and form salts. Magnets attract and repeal each other in very definite ways. Heat exchanges and the water cycle that they shape are also very predictable.

Nature does organize itself very spontaneously. One might well come to believe that it is meant to, I suppose, although I personally find that to be reaching.

 

[Godobeyer]

Nope.

Wrong again.

It's not wrong, You just take the religious side of Christians Jews

Because I study history.

History had nothing to do with Adam(pbuh) religious different views.

comparative religions maybe.

 

[Godobeyer]

Many things could be. But logically, it is exceedingly unlikely that things just happened in such a way as to give full support for evolutionist theory and then magically turned out otherwise.

That would imply that God has a weird sense of humor and an odd favoritivism for mystification.

Besides, it bears reminding that evolution by no means relies on fossils for evidence. What you are questioning here is not evolution, but the origin of humanity specifically.



Just because? Or perhaps because he wanted people to think that species arose naturally as opposed to supernaturally?

That is not altogether impossible, I suppose. But it sure sounds like grasping at straws.




Theism is a natural enough occurrence and we should probably accept it as such. It has its dangers, but it is not worth actively fighting against.






We as biological beings are hardly perfect. Let alone anthropologically ...



Nature does organize itself very spontaneously. One might well come to believe that it is meant to, I suppose, although I personally find that to be reaching.

Our replies becomes too long,sorry my English fail me on that

Just reply for important points


You said "Nature does organize itself spontaneasly" ,I find it impossible and had no sense.

Natural selection has been well understood and documented for well over a century. It is really no big challenge at this point in time.

That impossible that natural selection,which creat the life.

We just observe that,but who made the plan of creation,whom made the design of bodies and trees,and make it reproduce ?

 

[Muffled]

I forget to write if you discover that view of Islam about judgement day is true lol

I edited to add it

I have no idea what the Islamic idea of judgement day is but I don't expect the Christian view of it will occur immediately after death. On the other hand I believe every day is a judgement day. Today God has judged that I may live another day.

 

[Muffled]

Being Muslim is not the only way of going to Heaven, I'm sure everyone who acknowledge and fear God by living moral life will have their place in Heaven. After all God is truly Most Merciful. Islam is just the best way to earn your place there.

I don't believe you can justify that statement.