Let's suppose that when you die... !

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I find it weird.

Why you believe that Adam (pbuh) was not a Muslim (believer) to God since you are nor Muslim or Christian or Jew ?

I appreciate that this wasn't aimed at me but I'd like to take a pop at answering it.

Two main reasons:

1. Adam didn't believe that the Quran was the word of Allah;
2. Adam didn't believe that Muhammad was Allah's messenger.

 

[Godobeyer]

I appreciate that this wasn't aimed at me but I'd like to take a pop at answering it.

Two main reasons:

1. Adam didn't believe that the Quran was the word of Allah;
2. Adam didn't believe that Muhammad was Allah's messenger.

Absoulty he believed in Allah(God).
Quran even Torah were not descend yet , He was the first prophet !

 

[Muffled]

Maybe many non-Muslims will access to heaven , especially whom die as kids , or whom don't know Islam, or whom distract by media.

I think most of humanity will access to heaven .
Inshallah

I believe it is highly unlikely that anyone goes to Heaven unless there is a real need to do so and there is knowledge of how to get there.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't believe you can justify that statement.

I believe ,this video, justify that statement

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Absoulty he believed in Allah(God).
Quran even Torah were not descend yet , He was the first prophet !

Doesn't matter - if Muslims can retroactively apply their religious label to people who existed before their religion came to be then it's inconsistent to argue that you can then change that label in doing so. If Adam didn't believe in all of the five pillars of Islam then he is, by today's standards, not a Muslim.

 

[McBell]

Doesn't matter - if Muslims can retroactively apply their religious label to people who existed before their religion came to be then it's inconsistent to argue that you can then change that label in doing so. If Adam didn't believe in all of the five pillars of Islam then he is, by today's standards, not a Muslim.

Would that also mean that if Adam was a Muslim that the Koran, Mohammed, the prayers, the pilgrimages, Mecca, etc. are not actually required for Islam?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Would that also mean that if Adam was a Muslim that the Koran, Mohammed, the prayers, the pilgrimages, Mecca, etc. are not actually required for Islam?

To be honest I hadn't really thought that far ahead. But yeah, I suppose. If they can call someone Muslim who didn't fulfil any of the requirements then literally anybody can be Muslim.

 

[McBell]

To be honest I hadn't really thought that far ahead. But yeah, I suppose. If they can call someone Muslim who didn't fulfil any of the requirements then literally anybody can be Muslim.

Would that also mean that Allah changed the requirements at least once?
Why would he do that?

 

[NadiaMoon]

Well, I don't believe that would ever happen, but IF it did, I would be pretty worried, as any person would be if they realized they would spend all eternity being tortured in Hell.
Let me ask the question in reverse, if you were to die and found out that Islam is not true and "God" was actually a Goddess, how would you feel?

 

[viole]

chemical elements don't have intelligence.

To be more precise: most of them don't.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

I reject Islam on the basis that their God can't communicate coherently as evidenced by the jumbled mess that is the Koran. It has no connecting thread and literally reads like a bunch of random thoughts strung together. Not to mention the fact that it actually represents a regression in religious thought toward Old Testament times

Do you think the Christian God can communicate coherently?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Godobeyer]

Doesn't matter - if Muslims can retroactively apply their religious label to people who existed before their religion came to be then it's inconsistent to argue that you can then change that label in doing so. If Adam didn't believe in all of the five pillars of Islam then he is, by today's standards, not a Muslim.

I believe God had made laws (commendements) depend the nation and time/age...etc

Orientation of praying of Muslims changed from Alaqsa/Jerusalem to Makka, by the God order.

For exemple He made commendement of Sabbat for Jews,but He did not ask us to follow it.

All the prophets,Jesus (pbuh) and Abraham(pbuh) and Moses(pbuh), and Noad (pbuh)...etc are Muslims ,no one become a Muslims if he did not believe in them.

 

[gnomon]

It's not wrong, You just take the religious side of Christians Jews

History had nothing to do with Adam(pbuh) religious different views.

comparative religions maybe.

I'm an atheist.

To state that history had nothing to do with religious different views.......

I rest my case.

There is nothing more to debate after that.

Namely that when you debate with people so far given unto their cultural heritage.........there is nothing to learn nor nothing to educate.

Actually, this is sad.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm an atheist.

To state that history had nothing to do with religious different views.......

I rest my case.

There is nothing more to debate after that.

Namely that when you debate with people so far given unto their cultural heritage.........there is nothing to learn nor nothing to educate.

Actually, this is sad.

Since you an atheist ,you don't believe in Bible or Quran as history reference about Adam(pbuh)?
and why you take the side of Bible in this issue ?

 

[Tumah]

I think, if I were to find out that the Muslim Heaven and Hell were real, then my reaction would be the same as if I were to see a flying elephant.
There's no indication that elephants ever flew. They don't appear to have the capability to fly: no wings, heavy body, etc. So there's no reason to suppose that elephants could fly. So if all of a sudden I saw one flying, I'd probably be quite startled.

 

[Godobeyer]

I think, if I were to find out that the Muslim Heaven and Hell were real, then my reaction would be the same as if I were to see a flying elephant.
There's no indication that elephants ever flew. They don't appear to have the capability to fly: no wings, heavy body, etc. So there's no reason to suppose that elephants could fly. So if all of a sudden I saw one flying, I'd probably be quite startled.

Not really funny.
Your reaction is already told in Quran, that you wish to back to dust.

 

[Tumah]

Not really funny.
Your reaction is already told in Quran, that you wish to back to dust.

I'm not sure what you mean by "that you wish back to dust", but I'm not surprised that my reaction is foretold in the Qur'an. Perhaps the author knew that since there is no basis for his claim, anyone would be surprised to find it true.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm not sure what you mean by "that you wish back to dust", but I'm not surprised that my reaction is foretold in the Qur'an. Perhaps the author knew that since there is no basis for his claim, anyone would be surprised to find it true.

God said in Quran,in Jugdement Day the disbelievers would wish to remain dust(dead).

 

[Thief]

ok....so I'm jumping back in with little clue the digression.....

at this point.....your reaction would be to God and heaven.....
as you stand from the dust to see what scripture is really all about

does anyone really think it's about your expertise with scripture?

 

[Godobeyer]

ok....so I'm jumping back in with little clue the digression.....

at this point.....your reaction would be to God and heaven.....
as you stand from the dust to see what scripture is really all about

does anyone really think it's about your expertise with scripture?

Almost that's the meaning.

re-read my OP May 30, 2016#1