Let's suppose that when you die... !

[Shad]

If by "higher education" you mean university & similar, you're wrong.

Sorry but since your standard does not include those that are not part of the cultural/nationality are not valid historians nor sources I think I shown my point to be valid.

After all here is a list of theses from the History Department from SFU which includes Canadians writing about non-Canadian subjects. http://www.sfu.ca/history/graduate/theses.html

And here are the requirements for the program. Now where does it say culture, ethnic group and/or nationality are required for non-Canadian subjects? http://www.sfu.ca/history/undergrad/programs.html

 

[Godobeyer]

I'd actually be happy. I am filled with hate for my enemies, wish them all dead

You and your enemies all we will die, so why you suppose happy !

 

[Milton Platt]

Hello all

My question especially to atheists.

Let's imagine that when you die ,you would discover that there is hereafter and judgement day ,and hell and heaven...etc

Seriously what suppose to be would your reactions ?

EDITED to add
I forget to write if you discover that view of Islam about judgement day is true !

I would ask the deity why, with it's intelligence and foreknowing, it did not provide me with the information I needed to know that it existed. I would also point out that I am not interested in worshiping anything, including a deity, that would design a world as screwed up as this one.

 

[Godobeyer]

I would ask the deity why, with it's intelligence and foreknowing, it did not provide me with the information I needed to know that it existed. I would also point out that I am not interested in worshiping anything, including a deity, that would design a world as screwed up as this one.

He provided but you don't accept,since you are not His partner,why you claim about how He manage?

 

[gnomon]

I would be seriously disappointed if I died and it was any of the Abrahamic faiths that turned out to be true.

What a horrible revelation as to the nature of that God.

 

[Godobeyer]

I would be seriously disappointed if I died and it was any of the Abrahamic faiths that turned out to be true.

What a horrible revelation as to the nature of that God.

I believe God is the most justice and most mercy.

 

[gnomon]

I believe God is the most justice and most mercy.

Then you do not believe in the Abrahamic tradition. Unless you revise your statement that most justice and mercy only involves a few specific tribes.

 

[Godobeyer]

Then you do not believe in the Abrahamic tradition. Unless you revise your statement that most justice and mercy only involves a few specific tribes.

I am Muslim , Islam start since Adam( pbuh ) not Abraham( pbuh).
There the absolute justice : so mercy and punishment.
There is no doubt,everyone will get what he/she deserve.

 

[LuisDantas]

He provided but you don't accept,since you are not His partner,why you claim about how He manage?

You did not ask me, Godobeyer, but the answer is fairly clear:

I won't, because it is so clear that he does not exist to begin with.

I do however have a practical need to deal with those who expect me to either believe in His existence or to make allowances for that hypothesis on their behalf.

In any case, the matter of existence of God is ultimately inconsequential. Reality is what it is. It works how it works, regardless of whether there is a God behind it all. So why worry?

And worrying about an afterlife because God might not see fit to assure us a happy post-death existence is IMO taking it backwards and not very sound nor healthy from a religious perspective. A God must be moral to be worth taking into consideration. And morality is a very high priority anyway, No one should attempt to be moral just because of fear of a bad afterlife.

 

[Altfish]

He provided but you don't accept,since you are not His partner,why you claim about how He manage?

#Godobeyer
What evidence do you accept? Why can you see this evidence and us atheists can't?
We may not be 'His partner' but surely a wise god would realise that his message is poor, the evidence non-exist ant and up his game.

 

[HonestJoe]

Let's imagine that when you die ,you would discover that there is hereafter and judgement day ,and hell and heaven...etc

Seriously what suppose to be would your reactions ?

EDITED to add

I forget to write if you discover that view of Islam about judgement day is true !

I honestly don’t know what my instinctive reaction would be (even assuming my instincts and thoughts after death would be the same as now). I expect it would be very similar to how you’d react if you discovered the truth was anything different to the one you believe it to be (and presumably live your life in response to).

I suspect which version of Muslim teaching on this area would matter. I don’t know the details anything like as much as I do relating to Christianity (simple due to where I was brought up) but I don’t doubt that there are all sorts of differences of opinion and disagreements within Islam regarding exactly what happens when we die (given all the disagreements I’m aware of on other aspects of the faith).

In general terms, if there is some kind of all-powerful deity and they have some set of rules or principles that my adherence to (or lack thereof) impacted what happened to me in an afterlife, I’d probably be a little frustrated that hadn’t been made completely clear in life. One of the fundamental blockers I find relating to belief in a specifically defined god is all of the vastly contradictory religious, beliefs and interpretations that, if they exist, that god has allowed to propagate.

 

[Godobeyer]

#Godobeyer
What evidence do you accept? Why can you see this evidence and us atheists can't?
We may not be 'His partner' but surely a wise god would realise that his message is poor, the evidence non-exist ant and up his game.

The fact that there is Creator .
Why suppose give to the cars...etc "evidences" that they (cars..etc) were designed by humans ?
there are many evidence mentioned in Quran (big bang)....etc , but you may don't satisfy you, so that's your problem not mine or Him.

 

[Altfish]

The fact that there is Creator .

An assertion, not evidence. Who created the creator??

Why suppose give to the cars...etc "evidences" that they (cars..etc) were designed by humans ?

I can see a car and drive a car. Yes, they were made / designed by humans, so what. Can they breed?

there are many evidence mentioned in Quran (big bang)....etc , but you may don't satisfy you, so that's your problem not mine or Him.

It is his problem. I've read bits of the Quran, it doesn't impress. The Big Bang in it, where? Why weren't Islamic scholars talking about the Big Bang in 1900? i.e. Before Hubble why didn't we know about The Big Bang that had been in the Quaran?

 

[Thief]

worst case scenario.....
you stand from your carcass and realize you will spend the rest of eternity ....
with something that you can't push away.....can't outrun.....can't subdue.....
He can't be tricked or cheated......

and He doesn't like you

 

[Godobeyer]

An assertion, not evidence. Who created the creator??

The only one who could answser this question,it's Him.
for me it's not big deal, since you already convineced that you are created?

I can see a car and drive a car. Yes, they were made / designed by humans, so what. Can they breed?

I believe the miracle of breed between the creatures , is support the creation not evolution.

It is his problem. I've read bits of the Quran, it doesn't impress. The Big Bang in it, where? Why weren't Islamic scholars talking about the Big Bang in 1900? i.e. Before Hubble why didn't we know about The Big Bang that had been in the Quaran?

It's exist in Quran, by clear sentence.

"Big bang" is Western label,it's discovered by non-Muslim scientists recently.

 

[Godobeyer]

You did not ask me, Godobeyer, but the answer is fairly clear:

I won't, because it is so clear that he does not exist to begin with.

I do however have a practical need to deal with those who expect me to either believe in His existence or to make allowances for that hypothesis on their behalf.

In any case, the matter of existence of God is ultimately inconsequential. Reality is what it is. It works how it works, regardless of whether there is a God behind it all. So why worry?

And worrying about an afterlife because God might not see fit to assure us a happy post-death existence is IMO taking it backwards and not very sound nor healthy from a religious perspective. A God must be moral to be worth taking into consideration. And morality is a very high priority anyway, No one should attempt to be moral just because of fear of a bad afterlife.

I believe God is over human capacity to see Him,(that mention in story of Moses (pbuh) in Quran http://quran.com/7/143 )

I mean: He bigger than whatever you imagine,so you could not see Him.

Just curious,honestly IF God give you a sign (evidence) that He exist, would you change your mind ?

 

[Altfish]

The only one who could answser this question,it's Him.
for me it's not big deal, since you already convineced that you are created?

I am not created (well I suppose my Mum and Dad did some creating)

I believe the miracle of breed between the creatures , is support the creation not evolution.

So why did you cross reference cars?

It's exist in Quran, by clear sentence.

"Big bang" is Western label ,it's discovered by non-Muslim scientists recently.

Evidence? Links?

 

[LuisDantas]

I believe God is over human capacity to see Him,(that mention in story of Moses (pbuh) in Quran http://quran.com/7/143 )

I mean: He bigger than whatever you imagine,so you could not see Him.

Just curious,honestly IF God give you a sign (evidence) that He exist, would you change your mind ?

About God needing to be moral?

I can't think of a reason why. I could perhaps fear a God, but never exempt him from needing basic decency and and moral coherence.

 

[Godobeyer]

About God needing to be moral?

I can't think of a reason why. I could perhaps fear a God, but never exempt him from needing basic decency and and moral coherence.

God indeed is moral and justice,He make it extent to Judgement day .

 

[Godobeyer]

I am not created (well I suppose my Mum and Dad did some creating)

Sperm of your dad and egg of dad .combined randomaly ,Woow you come.
(So I suppose your dad and Mum are your God ?)

So why did you cross reference cars?

Human are not perfect enough to make cars breed

Evidence? Links?