Let's suppose that when you die... !

[HonestJoe]

Because we indeed our minds are limited.

I never suggested otherwise. I’m only questioning the apparent inconsistency in you claiming to full understand exactly what God wants of us but at the same time claim that we’re incapable of understanding where God comes from. How could you even know that we can’t understand something that you don’t believe you’re capable of understanding yourself?

 

[Thief]

And yet you just focused on your fear in reply to a post asking you to finally answer what it is you claim I am denying....
YOUR denial is most comical.

and yet you think your ploy is working.......

hehehehehe

 

[Thief]

I really think you fail to understand what atheism is at a basic level. Otherwise you would never say such things.

at the basic level?......simple denial
I might ask you why........

surely it's not a base instinct to avoid responsibility ....or judgement...
under Someone Greater

and of course....with no intention of continuation.......
only the grave awaits

and you do not answer to anyone greater

oh...that's right.....you might not be self sufficient

but really.....what is your excuse for denial?

 

[LuisDantas]

One does not need an excuse, or even a reason, to disregard senseless blabber.

 

[Thief]

One does not need an excuse, or even a reason, to disregard senseless blabber.

oh.....so the entire scheme of things here at the forum is ....senseless blabber....

and you are here to correct the error?

 

[Godobeyer]

I never suggested otherwise. I’m only questioning the apparent inconsistency in you claiming to full understand exactly what God wants of us but at the same time claim that we’re incapable of understanding where God comes from. How could you even know that we can’t understand something that you don’t believe you’re capable of understanding yourself?

Sorry,it's my bad I did not understand your point,cos
my English level.

-I believe if someone tell me he witness how God created the time and the creatures and universe ...etc, So he was His partner!

-look at your body ,care about how you come from, you will not care about God comes, because it's His business not yours .

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

just because you don't see it as such......?

Because it fits in with what I said. If you view creation as a reflection of its Creator then how do you explain war, hatred, anger, jealousy, greed, spite, fear, injustice, deceit and a host of other problems except by either:

a) admitting that these are part & parcel of the Creator which rules it out as a omni-benevolent or morally perfect god, or;

b) engaging in mental gymnastics to explain away these undesirable traits as not being a reflection of the Creator while more desirable ones are.

?

 

[Thief]

Because it fits in with what I said. If you view creation as a reflection of its Creator then how do you explain war, hatred, anger, jealousy, greed, spite, fear, injustice, deceit and a host of other problems?

God gave Man dominion.......

a necessary event

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

God gave Man dominion.......

a necessary event

That doesn't explain why it's more likely that things like love, nurturing, growth, happiness, justice & joy are more likely to be traits of a Creator than the ones I listed. In fact these traits are less likely to be exhibited by a Creator since the vast majority of monolithic 'Great Maker' religions pose him as a god who is okay with hatred, murder & injustice.

You might as well have said 'God works in mysterious ways' for all the information that answer provided.

Also, I edited my post while you were writing yours. Sorry about that; I have an unfortunate habit of doing my best proof-reading after I've posted something.

 

[Thief]

That doesn't explain why it's more likely that things like love, nurturing, growth, happiness, justice & joy are more likely to be traits of a Creator than the ones I listed. In fact these traits are less likely to be exhibited by a Creator since the vast majority of monolithic 'Great Maker' religions pose him as a god who is okay with hatred, murder & injustice.

You might as well have said 'God works in mysterious ways' for all the information that answer provided.

Also, I edited my post while you were writing yours. Sorry about that; I have an unfortunate habit of doing my best proof-reading after I've posted something.

I proof read and edit.....no big deal....

I believe it was needful to form Man as a species and turn him loose on the earth
seemed fine until we turned on each other

so the garden event was performed...
change the form ....
change the spirit....
test to be sure...
release into the environment

for most of us.....the dogmatic version continues to get in the way of understanding

I have dropped the dogma

 

[LuisDantas]

oh.....so the entire scheme of things here at the forum is ....senseless blabber....

Senseless blabber is what defense of Pascal's Wager is. Some things simply are not worth a lot of effort or attention.

 

[viole]

Hello all

My question especially to atheists.

Let's imagine that when you die ,you would discover that there is hereafter and judgement day ,and hell and heaven...etc

Seriously what suppose to be would your reactions ?

EDITED to add
I forget to write if you discover that view of Islam about judgement day is true !

I would do what you would do if you find out that Jesus, or the flying spaghetti monster, or anything else but Allah, is the boss of the hereafter.

By the way, the atheist asking that question to that Muslim chap is an idiot. How could anyone discover that the hereafter was a lie after his death?

And since atheists are well known for their logical skills, I suspect he was a religious guy paid to ask that particular question at the right moment

Ciao

- viole

 

[Hawkins]

It's could be true too.

1-it's true,humans informed of the consequences. (exemple Bible and Quran)

2-I belieive HE IS THE JUSTICE,and I think God will saved as possible,and ,may include whom never heard about His message, or may whom being distract by media, and people.

It can be true only when all the points are fulfill, not 1 or 2 of them. And Christianity is the only religion with all those points fulfilled.

 

[Godobeyer]

It can be true only when all the points are fulfill, not 1 or 2 of them. And Christianity is the only religion with all those points fulfilled.

Both had heaven and hell.
For opportunity to access to heaven ?

-For Christians maybe the Muslims could access the heaven because we believe in Jesus (pbuh) as prophets.
-but in Islam maybe the Christians would not access to heaven because Jesus (pbuh) would deny that he is God.

Muslims had more opportunity .

EDITED to correct

 

[Thief]

Senseless blabber is what defense of Pascal's Wager is. Some things simply are not worth a lot of effort or attention.

and yet .....you are here....

 

[Thief]

but the topic isn't about us....
it's about speculation for life AFTER the last breath

I say we will be surrounded by those who think and feel the same way we do.

how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

 

[LuisDantas]

and yet .....you are here....

Yes. It bothers me to have to disregard what other people say. For personal reasons, I often insist in ventures which I do not necessarily find worth the trouble.

 

[LuisDantas]

but the topic isn't about us....
it's about speculation for life AFTER the last breath

I say we will be surrounded by those who think and feel the same way we do.

how else to be happy?

By living as best as we can, I would think.

how else to be fair?

Do you think it is somehow unfair for death to be in fact death?

 

[Thief]

By living as best as we can, I would think.


Do you think it is somehow unfair for death to be in fact death?

I think a large number of people are going to be surprised.......and then disappointed

 

[Thief]

Senseless blabber is what defense of Pascal's Wager is. Some things simply are not worth a lot of effort or attention.

so you sacrifice yourself for the sake of those who believe in Someone Greater.......

how noble of you.....