LGBTs Significantly less likely to be Christians. Whose fault?

[Skwim]

The FACTS

Americans who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender are significantly less likely than non-LGBT Americans to be highly religious, and significantly more likely to be classified as not religious. The same percentage of each group is moderately religious.

The BOTTOM LINE

The under-representation of LGBT Americans in the ranks of the religious in the U.S. today has a number of possible causes. Some of these center on the effect of church policies and doctrine, which have historically been disapproving of non-heterosexual love and relations, while others may reflect demographic and geographic differences in the LGBT population compared with the rest of the population.
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

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From where I sit:
It seems quite obvious that because of the number of Christian denominations that have spoken out against homosexuals, and those that oppose homosexual marriages, a significant number of homosexuals have chosen to distance themselves from Christianity; an organization they feel doesn't support or want them as members.

My question:
This being so, haven't these Christian denominations essentially driven homosexuals away from possible salvation? Whereas an acceptance of homosexuals and homosexuality would induce them to attend church and hear the "Word of the Lord," and in turn give them a shot at salvation, these churches have turned there backs on these individuals, and have, in effect said, we don't care if you're saved or not.

My opinion:
From how I've heard Christians describe themselves, this seems to fly in the face of their lofty principles. Sure, we'd like to see you saved, BUT ONLY ON OUR TERMS.


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[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, of course religious homophobia is part of the reason why this is. One of the reasons I left Catholicism is because of its illogical, inhumane and bigoted sexual morality. Another reason I left is because, as a trans man, there's really no place in the Catholic Church for trans people. We can't even be godparents, let alone get married in the Church.

 

[Father Heathen]

In other news, there are less blacks than there are whites in the Ku Klux Klan.

 

[bobhikes]

Don't all religions believe you are saved on there terms. Are there religions that say do what you want and you'll be saved? The problem is not the religions anyway. The problem are the individuals that refuse to support the LGBT community. Religion is used as a shield or weapon by them. The Roman Catholic church is against birth control and married priests but the majority of Catholics support both.

Awareness needs to be made to the public. Condemning the churches actually causes problems. People feel you are picking on them because of church bashing. Companies need to step in for the LGBT and they are. The government needs to step in for the rights of the LGBT and they don't always help. There are TV show's and channel's showcasing the LGBT. There are high profile people coming out. All this is leading to change. Yes it is slow. Attacking the churches in my opinion is only going to slow and maybe stop the change.

In the last hundred years much has changed for the LGBT community and more still should but beating up the Churches is only going to create issues. Feel free to beat up the government most people agree the government deserves to be beat up, just attack with rights and facts reminding the government of separation of Church and State. Remind them church law should not be State law constitutionally.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not much of riddle, puzzle, or mystery when you consider how we are psychologically tortured by the majority of churches, viewed as sinful blasphemers, and made to feel uncomfortably unwelcome.

 

[Aštra’el]

I am bisexual, yet I consider myself incredibly religious. I have absolutely nothing against any religion.

 

[Quintessence]

Oh Gallup... it's adorable that you divided a demographic known for rejecting the sex binary into "male" and "female" ...

Sorry. I'm trying to get past the irony and amusement about that. Give me a moment.

 

[Revoltingest]

The FACTS

Americans who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender are significantly less likely than non-LGBT Americans to be highly religious, and significantly more likely to be classified as not religious. The same percentage of each group is moderately religious.

The BOTTOM LINE

The under-representation of LGBT Americans in the ranks of the religious in the U.S. today has a number of possible causes. Some of these center on the effect of church policies and doctrine, which have historically been disapproving of non-heterosexual love and relations, while others may reflect demographic and geographic differences in the LGBT population compared with the rest of the population.
source

​

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

source​

From where I sit:
It seems quite obvious that because of the number of Christian denominations that have spoken out against homosexuals, and those that oppose homosexual marriages, a significant number of homosexuals have chosen to distance themselves from Christianity; an organization they feel doesn't support or want them as members.

My question:
This being so, haven't these Christian denominations essentially driven homosexuals away from possible salvation? Whereas an acceptance of homosexuals and homosexuality would induce them to attend church and hear the "Word of the Lord," and in turn give them a shot at salvation, these churches have turned there backs on these individuals, and have, in effect said, we don't care if you're saved or not.

My opinion:
From how I've heard Christians describe themselves, this seems to fly in the face of their lofty principles. Sure, we'd like to see you saved, BUT ONLY ON OUR TERMS.


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I blame the Leggybatties.
They're the ones who are born into a pre-existing Xian world,
yet they're born in sin to a greater extent than us normal folk.

But who is to blame for my heathenism?

 

[Father Heathen]

Oh Gallup... it's adorable that you divided a demographic known for rejecting the sex binary into "male" and "female" ...

Sorry. I'm trying to get past the irony and amusement about that. Give me a moment.

It would only be ironic if it were those who reject the sex binary that were conducting the pool.

 

[Skwim]

In other news, there are less blacks than there are whites in the Ku Klux Klan.

Yeah, but I'm going to see how the thread fairs before writing it off. In the meantime, how about coming up with something interesting to discuss yourself?

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[jeager106]

Now that I'm approaching old age I FEEL SAFE TO DISCLOSE THAT I'M
BISEXUAL!


I have sex twice a year.

 

[Faronator]

Well, of course religious homophobia is part of the reason why this is. One of the reasons I left Catholicism is because of its illogical, inhumane and bigoted sexual morality. Another reason I left is because, as a trans man, there's really no place in the Catholic Church for trans people. We can't even be godparents, let alone get married in the Church.

I think I remember you leaving something else (I wanna say Satanism) for Catholicism 2-3 years ago roughly (at least when we spoke) and you told me the Catholic faith was open to interpretation: what changed in that time? Just curious is all.

 

[Raahim]

To each their own, even if my kid one day turns out gay I wouldn't be pleased with it due to idiots in society and I'd be sad to see my family tree end but I wouldn't panic and throw holy books at him to stop being gay. I've seen on multiple examples that you can either get over it and have functional family or force them to change which could end up in suicide. Christians (despite their religion) are pretty good at hating their neighbour if he or she is different in any way. I would be more hurt if my kid was straight and not religious than gay and religious, it all really depends on how you raise the kid - people with opposite views will always be present in our lives.

 

[Skwim]

Don't all religions believe you are saved on there terms. Are there religions that say do what you want and you'll be saved? .

But most denominations don't require you to be right handed, or a natural brunet, or over 5' 4".


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[jeager106]

My A.A. sponsor and confidant is openly gay.
I couldn't care less about his sexual preference.
He's sober much, much, longer than I.
Imagine how tough it might (must) be for him to attend recovery meetings
with 99% straight people and openly discuss addiction and recovery.
Ergo why I picked him as a sponsor.
(besides the fact that I like him as a person)
Dee likes him and he likes us.
NO ONE has ever shunned him in any way that I'm aware of.
He is accepted as just another person trying to beat a deadly addiction and survive.
Just like the rest of us.
When he comes over here to help me reading and understanding the Alcoholics
Anonymous book (called the Big Book) we great and he kisses both Dee and I on the
cheek.
I'm not offended in the least. He loves us.
He does not want to see me die a horrible alcoholic death.
The only way we can keep what we learn is to give it away.
This is how recovery from a hopeless state of mind, body, and spirit works.
We have a Higher Power. Most choose to simply say "God".
That works for me and him.
I've met his significant other and he's a fine, loving, caring man.
Dee, my sponsor and his "friend" and I have had lunch together and we get NO evil
looks from others.
Sorry if that bothers any straight "he-men".
A.A. IS 'god' based but the only requirement is a desire to stop drinking.
It's NOT required to believe in "God", only a Power greater than us (me).
This concept removes the self and self will run riot from the recovery equation.
We in recovery MUST humble ourselves, get our self out of the way to recover.
Sure many addicts can stop using by self will but they are for the most part
miserable people who cannot grow in a spiritual manner.
I'm sooooooo glad I'm an addict. I'm FORCED to grow along spiritual lines.
(not religious lines)
Dee attends ALL meetings with me and loves to go as she learned that even
without the demon of addiction she too can grow along spiritual lines.

 

[Raahim]

Gay people are significantly less likely to be homophobes! Whose fault?

 

[Scuba Pete]

I'm not surprised by this... and Jesus is weeping because of it.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Don't all religions believe you are saved on there terms.

Nope. Not all religions hold 'salvation' doctrine.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To each their own, even if my kid one day turns out gay I wouldn't be pleased with it due to idiots in society and I'd be sad to see my family tree end but I wouldn't panic and throw holy books at him to stop being gay. I've seen on multiple examples that you can either get over it and have functional family or force them to change which could end up in suicide. Christians (despite their religion) are pretty good at hating their neighbour if he or she is different in any way. I would be more hurt if my kid was straight and not religious than gay and religious, it all really depends on how you raise the kid - people with opposite views will always be present in our lives.

I don't know about Jewish sorry Muslim culture. How my family sees it, specifically my father, is that since my brother left and disowned his family, I am the only oldest child. He wanted to leave his last name with the oldest male; but, my brother didn't want to keep it.

So, I told my father, of course that my last name will always be ---whatever it is-- and no one can change that. If I had children (and was able without medical complications) my wife and I would carry on my father's last name. If we decided she and I took on my last name, then our children will take on ours.

I wouldn't understand that if your child were gay, he could not still pass on your name to his children. I know it wouldn't be blood line given a male; and, I'd assume (from my morals) that regardless, he (or she) is still your grandchild.

Would you honestly say that if you had a straight child and he adopted and gave his son your (his) last name would that be different than if he were gay?

That's not my culture. Most people want blood and name to be tied together. I just was lucky that my father overlooked the blood and was happy that his favorite child gay, straight, or alien carry on his name after his passing.

Was wondering, not to provoke.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My A.A. sponsor and confidant is openly gay.
I couldn't care less about his sexual preference.
He's sober much, much, longer than I.
Imagine how tough it might (must) be for him to attend recovery meetings
with 99% straight people and openly discuss addiction and recovery.
Ergo why I picked him as a sponsor.
(besides the fact that I like him as a person)
Dee likes him and he likes us.
NO ONE has ever shunned him in any way that I'm aware of.
He is accepted as just another person trying to beat a deadly addiction and survive.
Just like the rest of us.
When he comes over here to help me reading and understanding the Alcoholics
Anonymous book (called the Big Book) we great and he kisses both Dee and I on the
cheek.
I'm not offended in the least. He loves us.
He does not want to see me die a horrible alcoholic death.
The only way we can keep what we learn is to give it away.
This is how recovery from a hopeless state of mind, body, and spirit works.
We have a Higher Power. Most choose to simply say "God".
That works for me and him.
I've met his significant other and he's a fine, loving, caring man.
Dee, my sponsor and his "friend" and I have had lunch together and we get NO evil
looks from others.
Sorry if that bothers any straight "he-men".
A.A. IS 'god' based but the only requirement is a desire to stop drinking.
It's NOT required to believe in "God", only a Power greater than us (me).
This concept removes the self and self will run riot from the recovery equation.
We in recovery MUST humble ourselves, get our self out of the way to recover.
Sure many addicts can stop using by self will but they are for the most part
miserable people who cannot grow in a spiritual manner.
I'm sooooooo glad I'm an addict. I'm FORCED to grow along spiritual lines.
(not religious lines)
Dee attends ALL meetings with me and loves to go as she learned that even
without the demon of addiction she too can grow along spiritual lines.

That is beautiful.