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Liberals Face Division Over Israel's Human Rights Violations

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Americans in general, and the right in particular are big proponents of massive, merciless retaliation for any violent offense. We attacked and destroyed a country that had nothing whatever to do with 9/11 and the American people were all for it. And to this day have no remorse or regret. We LOVE the idea of obliterating the "enemy" even if we got the wrong enemy. We stock pile guns and ammo in anticipation of being able to obliterate our neighbors, and even our own government. So of course we are all in favor of Israel's ultra-violent response to this terrorist attack, and of course we don't care if they kill the guilty or the innocent in the process of extracting massive revenge.

Because this is who we are. This is our cultural ideology. Might makes right and massive might is massively right. Every John Wayne/John Wick movie we've ever watched said so.
That is about as horrid a comment as claiming that Jews support the war crimes that israel is committing



Jewish Americans calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza
Jewish Americans critical of how Israel and the U.S. are responding to Hamas' attack say they're ostracized by the mainstream U.S. Jewish...
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That is about as horrid a comment as claiming that Jews support the war crimes that israel is committing
Certainly not all Jews, but a great many of others
do support what many of us describe as war crimes.
I expect that as with Democrats, Jews are experiencing
a schism over Israel's conduct in Gaza.

Jewish Americans calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza
Jewish Americans critical of how Israel and the U.S. are responding to Hamas' attack say they're ostracized by the mainstream U.S. Jewish...
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5 days ago
Some do as you say.
But by & large, they tend to advocate for the
policies what we see in USA towards Israel.
 
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Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Certainly not all Jews, but a great many of other
do support what many of us describe as war crimes.
I expect that as with Democrats, Jews are experiencing
a schism over Israel's conduct in Gaza.
I know. It's good to see. Leave the dross there in israel. I prefer the jews leaving that apartheid to avoid experiencing Ezek 22 first hand
Some do as you say.
But by & large, they tend to advocate for the
policies what we see in USA towards Israel.
Most rational folk do not want to see israel wiped off the map but what israel is doing now is nothing that any honest soul could support.

See the point?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Biden talks out of both sides of his mouth....
Excerpted....
U.S. and Israeli interests in the ongoing Middle East conflict are diverging in both the short and long term, muddying the path to ending Israel’s war against militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

Above all, Israel views Hamas as an existential threat and sees eradicating it as a crucial goal; anything short of that is a failure. The U.S. has committed to helping Israel defeat Hamas, but for President Biden, the threat goes beyond Hamas. His administration is trying to keep its allies united against Iran, Russia and China. Both countries want to avoid a larger regional war, but Israel is willing to take more risks in pursuit of defeating Hamas.


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Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) accused President Biden of supporting the “genocide” of Palestinians amid Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza, saying that Americans will remember his actions when he’s up for reelection in 2024.


Excerpted...
Part of President Biden's political team is in turmoil over the Israel-Hamas war, as some aides see the White House as abetting an immoral attack on Palestinians — while others believe Biden is showing "moral clarity" in protecting Israel from terrorists.

Why it matters: The strife within the Democratic National Committee (DNC) — which Biden is leaning on for his re-election campaign — reflects larger generational and political divisions among Democrats.

Many Arab American voters feel betrayed by President Joe Biden's unequivocal support for Israel, and community leaders in Metro Detroit say there's nothing he can do to win them back.

Why it matters: Michigan is a central piece of the Midwestern "Blue Wall" that flipped in Biden's favor in 2020. The state's large Arab American population could be crucial to the outcome in what will be a pivotal swing state again in 2024.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yet another crack appears in Israel's immunity to criticism.
Will anti-Palestinian Democrats now have to call blacks "anti-semites"?
Will this make those Democrats racist?

In the news...
Excerpted...
Marching in Black Lives Matter protests in 2020 was the first time AnnEliza Canning-Skinner "experienced what solidarity is," she says.

Fast-forward three years and the 28-year-old has been a regular on the streets of New York, marching in support of Palestinians as Israel's bombing campaign of the Gaza Strip hits the one month-mark.

Israel launched the offensive, which the UN warns is creating a humanitarian "catastrophe," after brutal Hamas attacks in Israel on October 7.

Canning-Skinner is one of thousands of demonstrators across the United States who've turned out for protests, with appeals including a ceasefire of deadly violence in Gaza and an end to US funding of the Israeli military.

And increasingly demonstrators stateside are drawing clear connections between the Palestinian and Black liberation movements.

At a recent protest in Brooklyn, Canning-Skinner, a Black woman, marched alongside fellow protestors who hoisted signs with messages including "Black Lives 4 Palestine" and "White Silence Is Violence."
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Yet another crack appears in Israel's immunity to criticism.
Will anti-Palestinian Democrats now have to call blacks "anti-semites"?
Will this make those Democrats racist?

In the news...
Excerpted...
Marching in Black Lives Matter protests in 2020 was the first time AnnEliza Canning-Skinner "experienced what solidarity is," she says.

Fast-forward three years and the 28-year-old has been a regular on the streets of New York, marching in support of Palestinians as Israel's bombing campaign of the Gaza Strip hits the one month-mark.

Israel launched the offensive, which the UN warns is creating a humanitarian "catastrophe," after brutal Hamas attacks in Israel on October 7.

Canning-Skinner is one of thousands of demonstrators across the United States who've turned out for protests, with appeals including a ceasefire of deadly violence in Gaza and an end to US funding of the Israeli military.

And increasingly demonstrators stateside are drawing clear connections between the Palestinian and Black liberation movements.

At a recent protest in Brooklyn, Canning-Skinner, a Black woman, marched alongside fellow protestors who hoisted signs with messages including "Black Lives 4 Palestine" and "White Silence Is Violence."
marching in a Black Lives Matter protest in 2020 was the first time my younger child experienced what a lack of solidatiry is. She was told she couldn't march in support of BLM because she is a Zionist.

Fast forward three years and a BLM chapter uses a paraglider on its sign, glorifying the murder of Israelis. Funny how there were no BLM solidarity marches against the massacre of 1400 and the constant rockets fired on Israel from Gaza. No one asked for a cease fire when thousands of rockets landed on Israel over the last years. No one marched, demanding an end to funding the pay for slay program or the end of billions of dollars of money and massive amounts of aid embezzeled, stolen and redirected away from the civilians in Gaza. The world seems to find its unity and mobilize when Israel defends itself. Strange.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
marching in a Black Lives Matter protest in 2020 was the first time my younger child experienced what a lack of solidatiry is. She was told she couldn't march in support of BLM because she is a Zionist.
That's awful.
(I'm not a fan of the movement.)
Fast forward three years and a BLM chapter uses a paraglider on its sign, glorifying the murder of Israelis. Funny how there were no BLM solidarity marches against the massacre of 1400 and the constant rockets fired on Israel from Gaza.
Those 1,400 were over-shadowed by Israel's massacre
of over 10,000 Palestinians. But they're only Muslims, eh.
Moreover, USA didn't finance Hams's brutal attack.
But USA does finance Israel's oppression & war crimes.
So USA citizens are going to prioritize Palestinian rights.
We have a government that needs to re-evaluate its
policies to be far less evil.
No one asked for a cease fire when thousands of rockets landed on Israel over the last years. No one marched, demanding an end to funding the pay for slay program or the end of billions of dollars of money and massive amounts of aid embezzeled, stolen and redirected away from the civilians in Gaza. The world seems to find its unity and mobilize when Israel defends itself. Strange.
Israel does more than defend itself, it commits war crimes.
Strange....that Israel & apologists actually justifies such
illegal brutality. Their humanity has also found death.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
marching in a Black Lives Matter protest in 2020 was the first time my younger child experienced what a lack of solidatiry is. She was told she couldn't march in support of BLM because she is a Zionist.

Fast forward three years and a BLM chapter uses a paraglider on its sign, glorifying the murder of Israelis. Funny how there were no BLM solidarity marches against the massacre of 1400 and the constant rockets fired on Israel from Gaza. No one asked for a cease fire when thousands of rockets landed on Israel over the last years. No one marched, demanding an end to funding the pay for slay program or the end of billions of dollars of money and massive amounts of aid embezzeled, stolen and redirected away from the civilians in Gaza. The world seems to find its unity and mobilize when Israel defends itself. Strange.
What israel is doing is not defense.

Iron dome is defensive but lousy engineering. When it works there is commenting about superior technology, when it fails they want billions of US funding.

The majority of your post is based on speculation. A narrative used to further hatred.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Those 1,400 were over-shadowed by Israel's massacre
of over 10,000 Palestinians. But they're only Muslims, eh.
I don't know anyone who actually feels that way (though the videos I see show that Hamas intends to kill Jews all over the world and destroy Israel...there doesn't seem to be any interest in protesting that). The number of Arab casualties is unfortunate. It is exacerbated by Hamas's refusal to let people leave and its insistence on staging and firing weapons from civilian areas. No protests about that either.
Moreover, USA didn't finance Hams's brutal attack.
Actually, it did, through insistence on all sorts of pauses and aid which allowed money to be channeled to terrorists and gave time for rearming.
But USA does finance Israel's oppression & war crimes.
Well, the US does give Israel money that it has to use in the US (loan guarantees) which creates jobs, and what Israel is not "war crimes".
So USA citizens are going to prioritize Palestinian rights.
Over the rights of kidnapped or murdered Israelis.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
What israel is doing is not defense.

Iron dome is defensive but lousy engineering. When it works there is commenting about superior technology, when it fails they want billions of US funding.

The majority of your post is based on speculation. A narrative used to further hatred.
Actually, it works rather well and other countries have expressed interest in buying it

The rest of my post is based on experience and observation. Can you show me where my observations are wrong?
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Actually, it works rather well and other countries have expressed interest in buying it
But they cannot stop hand made unguided rockets? What a crock. Who is embezzling the money for that waste of funding?
The rest of my post is based on experience and observation. Can you show me where my observations are wrong?
Experience? Do you know personally which HAMAS member stopped palestinians from leaving GAZA. Likewise, the whole of gaza is civilian area. It's a fenced in concentration camp!

What you are using are narratives created by the corrupt. The very same kind of people that blame Jews for what israel is doing.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
But they cannot stop hand made unguided rockets? What a crock. Who is embezzling the money for that waste of funding?
a sizable percentage fall on Gazan civilians (no one protests) and Iron Dome stops many (plus a whole lot of other missiles). Why is protecting the population from a rocket attack a waste of money? All those other countries seem to think it is a good idea.
Experience? Do you know personally which HAMAS member stopped palestinians from leaving GAZA.
Nope. That would be an example of "observation." Would you like to see the videos of Israelis protecting Gazans who are trying to evacuate while Ahamas fire on them or would you assume it is all a lie?
Likewise, the whole of gaza is civilian area. It's a fenced in concentration camp!
Actually, it has a border and people can't waltz in and out -- much like the borders of many countries. And if you saw the images from inside Gaza, you might want to rethink your definition of a concentration camp.

Part of the border is with Egypt. Funny how there aren't protests against Egypt
What you are using are narratives created by the corrupt. The very same kind of people that blame Jews for what israel is doing.
so anything which argues with your vision of the history and narrative is necessarily "created by the corrupt." Fascinating.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
a sizable percentage fall on Gazan civilians (no one protests)
Because they are hand made.
and Iron Dome stops many (plus a whole lot of other missiles).
What other missiles. Mortars? Left overs from decades ago? Most of the rockets in gaza, are either home made or left overs from half a century ago.
Why is protecting the population from a rocket attack a waste of money?
Nice wording. The waste is 'we the people' keep paying for the same thing a few times over.
All those other countries seem to think it is a good idea.
All of those other countries also put into writing that illegal occupation is wong.
Would you like to see the videos of Israelis protecting Gazans who are trying to evacuate while Ahamas fire on them or would you assume it is all a lie?
How do you know it is HAMAS and not zionist?
Actually, it has a border and people can't waltz in and out -- much like the borders of many countries.
GAZA Is not a country. It's israel's very own prison camp (concentration camp)
And if you saw the images from inside Gaza, you might want to rethink your definition of a concentration camp.
If you claim that is a HAMAS properties from stealing, apparently no HAMAS is living there.........it's still standing.
Part of the border is with Egypt. Funny how there aren't protests against Egypt
Egypt was REQUIRED to close that down because of israel almost a decade ago.

Palestinians have learned that if they leave, they will not be allowed to return to their homeland, palestine.
so anything which argues with your vision of the history and narrative is necessarily "created by the corrupt." Fascinating.
What is fascinating is how you can substantiate about any atrocity and skip the decades and decades of apartheid.

HAMAS charter does not make palestinians bad guys. PLO does not make palestinians BAD GUYS. And calling israel a jewish state DOES NOT make israelis into Jews.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Because they are hand made.
Many are, using material which was designed to be used to improve the infrastructure for Gaza's population.
What other missiles. Mortars? Left overs from decades ago? Most of the rockets in gaza, are either home made or left overs from half a century ago.
Um, no

Nice wording. The waste is 'we the people' keep paying for the same thing a few times over.
We the people pay our taxes and the government helps support the defensive capabilities of allies. That must bother you.
All of those other countries also put into writing that illegal occupation is wong.
What illegal occupation? Israel left Gaza in 2005.
How do you know it is HAMAS and not zionist?
ah, more of the "if it doesn't support me it is a lie" thinking.
GAZA Is not a country. It's israel's very own prison camp (concentration camp)
Gaza is not part of Israel.
If you claim that is a HAMAS properties from stealing, apparently no HAMAS is living there.........it's still standing.
Well, most of the real leaders are living elsewhere
Egypt was REQUIRED to close that down because of israel almost a decade ago.
gee -- it's almost like history is more complex than your soundbite would indicate

Palestinians have learned that if they leave, they will not be allowed to return to their homeland, palestine.
Weird -- because so many lived in Gaza which has been returned by israel to Arab authorities a few times...Jews were the ones forcibly removed in 2005.
What is fascinating is how you can substantiate about any atrocity and skip the decades and decades of apartheid.
You must not know what apartheid means. I demolished James Zogby's "Israel is Apartheid" arguments on Twitter so thoroughly, he blocked me
HAMAS charter does not make palestinians bad guys. PLO does not make palestinians BAD GUYS. And calling israel a jewish state DOES NOT make israelis into Jews.
Great -- you are responding with passion to something I didn't say. Nice work.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Many are, using material which was designed to be used to improve the infrastructure for Gaza's population.

Um, no


We the people pay our taxes and the government helps support the defensive capabilities of allies. That must bother you.

What illegal occupation? Israel left Gaza in 2005.

ah, more of the "if it doesn't support me it is a lie" thinking.

Gaza is not part of Israel.

Well, most of the real leaders are living elsewhere

gee -- it's almost like history is more complex than your soundbite would indicate


Weird -- because so many lived in Gaza which has been returned by israel to Arab authorities a few times...Jews were the ones forcibly removed in 2005.

You must not know what apartheid means. I demolished James Zogby's "Israel is Apartheid" arguments on Twitter so thoroughly, he blocked me

Great -- you are responding with passion to some
IMOP


Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer
By Isabel Vincent and
Benjamin Weinthal
Published Nov. 7, 2023, 5:48 p.m. ET


"While their people languish in poverty and are treated as human shields, the leaders of Hamas live billionaire lifestyles.

The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering total of $11 billion and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar.

The emirate has long welcomed the leaders of the terror group and installed them in its luxury hotels and villas at the same time as it hosts a vast American military presence.

Now US Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) is sponsoring a bill that would strip Qatar of its status as a key US ally, The Post has learned, unless it kicks out the Hamas leadership."
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Many are, using material which was designed to be used to improve the infrastructure for Gaza's population.
I know. Did you know that the propellant being used is animal manure.
But you confirmed it above. Using a jewish library is for learning religious material. Not military logistics.
We the people pay our taxes and the government helps support the defensive capabilities of allies. That must bother you.
I like helping and supporting israel but not the use of our weapons to maintain apartheid.
What illegal occupation? Israel left Gaza in 2005.
See UN res 181 to start... Jerusalem is NOT israel. Then UN RES 2334, 242, 476, 478.......
The majority of gaza are the populations uprooted from their homes in jerusalem, etc......
ah, more of the "if it doesn't support me it is a lie" thinking.
I do not ask for support. I dont trust zionist/idf or the media coming out of that apartheid and why i check beyond media and what that Nutlessyahoo claims
Gaza is not part of Israel.
Fully controlled by israel land,air and sea.... nothing defensive about it. It's control, oppression and cruel.
The imposition by isreal upon the sinai itself is from illegal occupation.
Well, most of the real leaders are living elsewhere

So why blow up the civilians? Make that a topic or are you afraid to be honest?
gee -- it's almost like history is more complex than your soundbite would indicate
Yes, the topic is far bigger and deeper than what you are observing on TV. Look into the settlers attacking the locals of the west bank.

I am observing terrorists shooting palestinians, on video right now. It's been ongoing and no one will stop that!
Weird -- because so many lived in Gaza which has been returned by israel to Arab authorities a few times...Jews were the ones forcibly removed in 2005.
jews and UN workers still live in gaza
What you just clipped is sick. Look up what the word means.
The isolation separation and forced removal is factual evidence of apartheid.

Just this am, one poster claimed it's a tenet of judaism to separate.
I consider that a lie but arguing with the obtuse is about as stupid as reading your clipped article about some moron claiming to demolish a james over identifying israel an an Apartheid.


JVP welcomes Amnesty International report on Israeli ...​


Jewish Voice for Peace
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org › News




Feb 1, 2022 — "There is no doubt that Israel is an apartheid regime, and no doubt that the American Jewish community must play a key role in ending it."
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't know anyone who actually feels that way...
When asked about feelings in a context outside of
the conflict, then indeed few would feel that way.
But government policies that support war crimes
show implicit attitudes that conflict with proffered
belief of equally valuing all lives.
Certainly, if Hamas tunnels were under Jewish
homes, the military would act very differently.

....(though the videos I see show that Hamas intends to kill Jews all over the world and destroy Israel...there doesn't seem to be any interest in protesting that).
In our media & government there is great objection
to anti-semitism, pro-Palestinian advocacy, & Hamas's
vicious attack in Israel.
But this pales in comparison to the US taxpayer subsidized
far far greater killing & destruction wrought by Israel.
The number of Arab casualties is unfortunate.
Such understatements bespeak low value
for their lives, & silence on the fact that
Israel perpetrated the deaths, injuries, &
massive destruction.
It is exacerbated by Hamas's refusal to let people leave and its insistence on staging and firing weapons from civilian areas. No protests about that either.
Hamas is certainly doing terrible things.
But Israel enhances these wrongs, eg,
killing the human shields, & giving Hamas
sole blame for Israel's choice to murder.
Actually, it did, through insistence on all sorts of pauses and aid which allowed money to be channeled to terrorists and gave time for rearming.
That's a stretch compared with USA sending
Israel billions of dollars yearly, & pledging
military support (worth trillions) that threatens
to wipe out Israel's foes.
Well, the US does give Israel money that it has to use in the US (loan guarantees) which creates jobs, and what Israel is not "war crimes".
Giving away money has a cost, even when
spent here. The net result is that USA makes
things, & gives them away. Israel gets them
away gratis.
Over the rights of kidnapped or murdered Israelis.
They too have rights that were violated.
But this does not justify oppression & war crimes.
Moreover, Israel is teaching many Palestinians,
especially children that Israel is a hated enemy.
Israel effectively recruits for Hamas.

The oppression & war crimes must cease if
ever Israel is to find peace. That is my goal.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
But you confirmed it above. Using a jewish library is for learning religious material. Not military logistics.
That's another mistake you make. Because the word "Jewish" is in the site name, you assume it is a religious site. Clearly you haven't taken a look at it and at all the sources it cites.

I like helping and supporting israel but not the use of our weapons to maintain apartheid.
Good thing there is no apartheid, then!
See UN res 181 to start... Jerusalem is NOT israel. Then UN RES 2334, 242, 476, 478.......
The majority of gaza are the populations uprooted from their homes in jerusalem, etc......
Many Arabs still live in Jerusalem. Can you show me statistics that explains that the majority of the 2.2 million people in Gaza used to live in Jerusalem and were forced out? Betcha can't.
And none of that proves that there is any occupation. Nice try though.
I do not ask for support. I dont trust zionist/idf or the media coming out of that apartheid and why i check beyond media and what that Nutlessyahoo claims
Again, you decide that an entire source of info is tainted to absolve yourself of having to consider a position you aren't already happy with. Got it.
Fully controlled by israel land,air and sea.... nothing defensive about it. It's control, oppression and cruel.
The imposition by isreal upon the sinai itself is from illegal occupation.
Egypt controls some of that as well. And the control is defensive -- making sure that weapons aren't smuggled in. It isn't oppression. If you think it is cruel, you should spend some time in the cat cafe. Such suffering.
So why blow up the civilians? Make that a topic or are you afraid to be honest?
Why blow up civilians? That's a pretty dumb question. Hamas has been targeting civilians for years -- have you ever asked them why? Israel alerts civilians and tells them to leave. Hamas doesn't allow it and forces them to be shields when israel responds to a massacre of its citizens and you ask ISRAEL about civilian deaths? Weird.
Yes, the topic is far bigger and deeper than what you are observing on TV. Look into the settlers attacking the locals of the west bank.
I have seen reports of settler violence, and arrests and prosecution. Have Hamas officials done anything to those who perpetrated violence against Israel?
I am observing terrorists shooting palestinians, on video right now. It's been ongoing and no one will stop that!
Gosh, I hope Hamas stops soon!
jews and UN workers still live in gaza
Hey look -- you are responding to nothing I said!
What you just clipped is sick. Look up what the word means.
I know what the word means, and I know that Israel isn't an apartheid state specifically because I know what the word means.
The isolation separation and forced removal is factual evidence of apartheid.
So you don't know what the word means...got it.
Just this am, one poster claimed it's a tenet of judaism to separate.
It is.
Feb 1, 2022 — "There is no doubt that Israel is an apartheid regime, and no doubt that the American Jewish community must play a key role in ending it."
So an opinion by a biased organization which states that there is "no doubt" when, indeed, there is more than just a doubt -- there are facts that show it isn't, is useless. Thanks.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
When asked about feelings in a context outside of
the conflict, then indeed few would feel that way.
But government policies that support war crimes
show implicit attitudes that conflict with proffered
belief of equally valuing all lives.
Certainly, if Hamas tunnels were under Jewish
homes, the military would act very differently.
You can make all the hypothetical presumptions you want. The government policies support a country's defending its existence is perfectly reasonable.
In our media & government there is great objection
to anti-semitism, pro-Palestinian advocacy, & Hamas's
vicious attack in Israel.
But this pales in comparison to the US taxpayer subsidized
far far greater killing & destruction wrought by Israel.
In our media there are plenty of people saying that the massacre didn't even happen. The US taxpayer has to decide if it wants a government involved in world affairs at all or not. And if not, then it shouldn't try to exert pressure on a foreign country to do what it, the US government, wants.
Such understatements bespeak low value
for their lives, & silence on the fact that
Israel perpetrated the deaths, injuries, &
massive destruction.
That is definitely your opinion. You are imputing emotions to me. You happen to be wrong, but I can't change your interest in imputing.
Hamas is certainly doing terrible things.
But Israel enhances these wrongs, eg,
killing the human shields, & giving Hamas
sole blame for Israel's choice to murder.
Anytime someone looks at the murder of 1400 and says "but" the rest falls flat.
That's a stretch compared with USA sending
Israel billions of dollars yearly, & pledging
military support (worth trillions) that threatens
to wipe out Israel's foes.
Heaven forbid one wipes out one's foes! They should be kept alive so they can kill more people!
Giving away money has a cost, even when
spent here. The net result is that USA makes
things, & gives them away. Israel gets them
away gratis.
If you think that then you don't really understand foreign relations.
They too have rights that were violated.
But this does not justify oppression & war crimes.
Moreover, Israel is teaching many Palestinians,
especially children that Israel is a hated enemy.
Israel effectively recruits for Hamas.
Again with "but." 240 people were kidnapped and that's bad BUT...
and if you studied the UNRWA textbooks and followed the UN sponsored teachers on social media you would see that Israel doesn't have to do anything for Arab children to learn hate

The oppression & war crimes must cease if
ever Israel is to find peace. That is my goal.
The attacks on Israel must cease if there is ever to be peace.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
this could affect the 2024 election by weakening the Democrats.
Heaven forbid that this opens the door for Trump's return to power.

This will absolutely be the case as I see it.

Time to plan for an out of the US, things will get much worse with a 24-28 DJT term.
 
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