Liberals Face Division Over Israel's Human Rights Violations

[Revoltingest]

if it is a counter to your post then you, I would think, should be addressing something which addresses your post. If the answer is obvious to you then it is clearly not rhetorical

That doesn't make sense to me.
We all make judgements about which of the many
questions asked here. They take time. (I have many
simultaneous discussions going on.) So we all
eschew the rhetorical ones. If intended to really
seek an answer, then cut us some slack. And try
to differentiate the real ones from the statements.

So there have been no equivalent governmental moves to hold the murderers accountable.

When murder is a goal of the organization, there
will be no sanctions by the organization against
those using intended methods to achieve the goal.
Thus I expect neither Hamas nor Israel to punish
their soldiers (& settlers) for approved acts.
That responsibility falls to international bodies.

If Israel actually takes any Hamas prisoners, they
should be prosecuted for war or other crimes.
Israel's leaders, soldiers, & settlers should also
be investigated & prosecuted.

Then you misread. Israel has a legal system which pursues justice, and it has organizations like Yesh Din which focus on equity and holding Israelis accountable for their crimes against others. If there is no equivalent NGO which advocates for similar justice in Gaza then that speaks for itself.

Results speak for themselves, ie, Isreal investigating
itself for human rights violations & war crimes
results in continued violations & crimes.

That's a fair thing to wonder. It just so happens that I see many crimes committed by Israelis, including both run of the mill civilians and people who think that, clothed in a uniform, one can do whatever he or she wants. I have also seen behavior that is morally repugnant though it runs afoul of no specific law and I have seen behavior that is within the parameters of modern warfare and within the additional moral strictures the IDF imposes on its soldiers.

We have that in common.
USA also has a hideous record of government
allowing & even perpetrating vile crimes.

I had a long chat with my son-in-law about the rules of shooting someone who is throwing a molotov cocktail at you. Much like the fumble/incomplete pass rule in football, before a soldier shoots, the attackers arm has to be moving forward in a throwing motion. Even for a second or third cocktail. I hope that sometimes, he chooses not to wait until the bomb is moving forward when his or others' lives are on the line.

Shooting an attacker can be reasonable.
Bombing homes without knowing who's
in them is different....it's evil.
Shooting to kill a rock thrower who is
fleeing is also evil. But this is government
policy. Those who order this, & those
who do it are guilty of war crimes.

IDF begins allowing troops to shoot at fleeing rock-throwers

Military says soldiers are still directed to first try to make an arrest without using deadly force, but experts raise questions about legality of new guideline

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Revoltingest]

if it is a counter to your post then you, I would think, should be addressing something which addresses your post. If the answer is obvious to you then it is clearly not rhetorical

That doesn't make sense to me.
We all make judgements about which of the many
questions asked here. They take time. So we all
eschew the rhetorical ones. If intended to really
seek an answer, then cut us some slack. And try
to differentiate the real ones from the statements.

So there have been no equivalent governmental moves to hold the murderers accountable.

When murder is the goal of the organization, there
will be no sanctions by the organization against those
using intended methods to achieve those goals.
Thus I expect neither Hamas nor Israel to punish
their soldiers (& settlers) for approved acts.
That responsibility falls to international bodies.

If Israel actually takes any Hamas prisoners, they
could be prosecuted for war crimes. Israel's leaders,
soldiers, & settlers should also be investigated &
prosecuted.

Then you misread. Israel has a legal system which pursues justice, and it has organizations like Yesh Din which focus on equity and holding Israelis accountable for their crimes against others. If there is no equivalent NGO which advocates for similar justice in Gaza then that speaks for itself.

Results speak for themselves, ie, Isreal investigating
itself for human rights violations & war crimes
results in continued violations & crimes.

That's a fair thing to wonder. It just so happens that I see many crimes committed by Israelis, including both run of the mill civilians and people who think that, clothed in a uniform, one can do whatever he or she wants. I have also seen behavior that is morally repugnant though it runs afoul of no specific law and I have seen behavior that is within the parameters of modern warfare and within the additional moral strictures the IDF imposes on its soldiers.

I had a long chat with my son-in-law about the rules of shooting someone who is throwing a molotov cocktail at you. Much like the fumble/incomplete pass rule in football, before a soldier shoots, the attackers arm has to be moving forward in a throwing motion. Even for a second or third cocktail. I hope that sometimes, he chooses not to wait until the bomb is moving forward when his or others' lives are on the line.

 

[rosends]

Are you upset that the truth removes the bigotry that carried over from the egyptians, of being chosen by god to rule.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are using a word wrong and I'm pointing it out. You respond by asking something ridiculous and irrelevant.

The semitic language is what arabs speak. Arabs in the semitic language means nomads.

Great -- that just confirms what I said.

Gaza is within the borders of israel since they took the sinai from egypt. The nabka is well documented

Gaza was given away by Israel on multiple occasions. It has its own borders and its own (somewhat) elected government. It borders Israel and Egypt. The nakba is not a factor in this geo-political truth.

""The Nakba, which means “catastrophe” in Arabic, refers to the mass displacement and dispossession of Palestinians during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Before the Nakba, Palestine was a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural society.""

Yes, administered by the British in the land of Israel (according to British coins from the region and era). Were there revolts by Arabs against the British? Did they commit suicide bombings?

""

Gaza: Israel’s ‘Open-Air Prison’""​

Human rights watch...https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15

"The closure has devastated the economy in Gaza, contributed to fragmentation of the Palestinian people, and forms part of Israeli authorities’ crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution against millions of Palestinians."

Citing HRW? Really? HRW and Antisemitism: Sins of Commission and Omission » ngomonitor

"Israel’s establishment of settlements in Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, had no legal validity,"

Myths and Facts Israeli Settlements

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

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17 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 18 “Son of man, the people of Israel have become dross to me; all of them are

"‘Because you have all become dross, I will gather you into Jerusalem

Why are you discussing a biblical prophecy which already took place

If you had any idea about the jewish tanakh, you would already know the warnings and eventual outcome.

Yes, the temple was destroyed. And?

 

[Bthoth]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I understand, you perhaps never met a Jew before. Nor have any clue about the torah/tanakh origination.

Great -- that just confirms what I said.

I know, Semitic is a language group. I have been clear the whole time.

Gaza was given away by Israel on multiple occasions.

You act like israel can give away people and the lands as if owning people like slaves..

The nakba is not a factor in this geo-political truth.

I know, in the real world... "LAND GRAB" is the beginning of the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. Well documented!

When israel took the lands, they uprooted the people living there and put over half a million into gaza (the concentration camp).

Hence Concentration CAMP GAZA.

Were there revolts by Arabs against the British? Did they commit suicide bombings?

King david hotel, SS patria (murder of hundreds of Jews)..... That was irgun terrorism, they became idf (ignorant dumb *****) of israel (the dross)

Citing HRW? Really?

Using an israeli source to contradict human rights watch which was founded by a jewish man, is about like putting your head into a toilet.

Why are you discussing a biblical prophecy which already took place

When did that happen? Israel never existed before 1947.

Yes, the temple was destroyed. And?

I know. there is no temple in the chapter. It's the idolatry for that site, that is the problem.

And what is very clear, is Israel never existed before 1947. No matter how you want to believe.

And then if you claim otherwise, you would be suggesting that israel was just that nasty back then too!

What I note, is there is not a bad word about Jews in the whole chapter. But very clear that israel are the dross!

So now you have to check yourself. If you want to claim, that the prophecy has already occurred, then you have to accept israel as being that nasty (Dross) back then and now, likewise, the Jews are not the bad guys, but israel are the dross (then and now).

I clearly address the issue. Israel never existed before 1947 and there is not a bad word about Jews in the dialogue.

 

[Revoltingest]

I understand, you perhaps never met a Jew before. Nor have any clue about the torah/tanakh origination.

I know, Semitic is a language group. I have been clear the whole time.

You act like israel can give away people and the lands as if owning people like slaves..





I know, in the real world... "LAND GRAB" is the beginning of the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. Well documented!

When israel took the lands, they uprooted the people living there and put over half a million into gaza (the concentration camp).

Hence Concentration CAMP GAZA.

King david hotel, SS patria (murder of hundreds of Jews)..... That was irgun terrorism, they became idf (ignorant dumb f....s) of israel (the dross)

Using an israeli source to contradict human rights watch which was founded by a jewish man, is about like putting your head into a toilet.

When did that happen? Israel never existed before 1947.


I know. there is no temple in the chapter. It's the idolatry for that site, that is the problem.

And what is very clear, is Israel never existed before 1947. No matter how you want to believe.

And then if you claim otherwise, you would be suggesting that israel was just that nasty back then too!

What I note, is there is not a bad word about Jews in the whole chapter. But very clear that israel are the dross!

So now you have to check yourself. If you want to claim, that the prophecy has already occurred, then you have to accept israel as being that nasty (Dross) back then and now, likewise, the Jews are not the bad guys, but israel are the dross (then and now).

I clearly address the issue. Israel never existed before 1947 and there is not a bad word about Jews in the dialogue.

Putting "anti" in front of "semitic" changes the
meaning of the latter in a way unrelated to "anti".
Similarly, putting "anti" after "islamo" changes
the prefix's meaning to include hateful opposition.

I don't like etymological chaos, but it is what it is
according to dictionaries (ie, common usage).

 

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I understand, you perhaps never met a Jew before. Nor have any clue about the torah/tanakh origination.

now that's funny

I know, Semitic is a language group. I have been clear the whole time.

so you accept that you have proven my point. Thanks.

You act like israel can give away people and the lands as if owning people like slaves..

No, owning land. Who said anything about owning people.

I know, in the real world... "LAND GRAB" is the beginning of the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. Well documented!

When israel took the lands, they uprooted the people living there and put over half a million into gaza (the concentration camp).

You keep saying that and yet have not provided any substantiation.

Hence Concentration CAMP GAZA.

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Using an israeli source to contradict human rights watch which was founded by a jewish man, is about like putting your head into a toilet.

citing someone's religion as if it impacts his obvious bias is dumb. Nice work.

When did that happen? Israel never existed before 1947.

Do you not know what Ezekiel was talking about in that chapter? It seems you don't.

So now you have to check yourself. If you want to claim, that the prophecy has already occurred, then you have to accept israel as being that nasty (Dross) back then and now, likewise, the Jews are not the bad guys, but israel are the dross (then and now).

Look -- more you don't understand about Ezekiel. I'll give you the text and we can discuss it!
וָאֶשְׁפֹּ֤ךְ עֲלֵיהֶם֙ זַעְמִ֔י בְּאֵ֥שׁ עֶבְרָתִ֖י כִּלִּיתִ֑ים דַּרְכָּם֙ בְּרֹאשָׁ֣ם נָתַ֔תִּי נְאֻ֖ם אֲדֹנָ֥י יֱהֹוִֽה׃ {פ}

notice the vav hamehapechet at the beginning? What does that tell you?

I clearly address the issue. Israel never existed before 1947 and there is not a bad word about Jews in the dialogue.

you invoke a prophecy about the destruction of the temple. That happened. Contemporize.

 

[Bthoth]

now that's funny

No it's not. You are misrepresenting what Jews have lived and died for, for generations. You would not accept Judaism as a religion.

so you accept that you have proven my point. Thanks.

Sure, semitic is a language group. I have known the whole time.

No, owning land. Who said anything about owning people.

Gaza has been inhabited for far longer than you have been alive and israel never owned GAZA, they illegally occupied GAZA and now made the city into a concentration camp.

You can't just give away a city full of people.

You keep saying that and yet have not provided any substantiation.

UN res 181, 242, 476, 478, 2334............ All reflect israels illegal occupation. It's in writing and recorded all over the world

Are you upset because the semitic speaking folk recorded Nabka as an atrocity.

citing someone's religion as if it impacts his obvious bias is dumb. Nice work.

Which someone? Above you deny judaism is a religion.
No one owns judaism, torah or tanakh...... Anyone can learn the dialogue/religion and the history with or without any others approval.

Just like israel does not own jerusalem, no matter what the criminals want to believe or sell.

Do you not know what Ezekiel was talking about in that chapter? It seems you don't.

Sure, the prophecy is about what is going to happen to israel and the dross that live within it. Read it. Ezek 22..
Again, anyone can read the dialogue. No one owns it, controls it or can hide it.

Look -- more you don't understand about Ezekiel.

Are you suggesting that no bible can have Ezekiel and no one can observe the prophecy without you.

notice the vav hamehapechet at the beginning? What does that tell you?

NO, i dont read that language. Apparently, you have a road block in your interpretation, that keeps you from reading it.

you invoke a prophecy about the destruction of the temple. That happened. Contemporize.

I did not invoke anything. I shared with you, what you never knew.

Ezek 22 has nothing to do with a temple.

 

[rosends]

No it's not. You are misrepresenting what Jews have lived and died for, for generations. You would not accept Judaism as a religion.

Oh you are just so funny, thinking you know what you are talking about when you haven't a clue.

Gaza has been inhabited for far longer than you have been alive and israel never owned GAZA, they illegally occupied GAZA and now made the city into a concentration camp.

See, you are wrong in so many ways again. Nations control their land. How else could Jordan have ceded control of Jerusalem? How else could any country exert governmental authority on any region. When France sells the US the Louisiana purchase, or Russia sells Alaska, does that offend you also? And if you think the city is a "concentration camp" then you haven't been paying attention.

You can't just give away a city full of people.

You can give away jurisdiction over a place and its inhabitants. How else did Israel give the entire Sinai up? How else did Britain ends its mandate?

UN res 181, 242, 476, 478, 2334............ All reflect israels illegal occupation. It's in writing and recorded all over the world

Then you know neither the content and meaning of those resolutions, nor the international law regarding occupation.

Are you upset because the semitic speaking folk recorded Nabka as an atrocity.

You mean all the 800,000 Jews who were kicked out of Arab countries? No, that doesn't upset me because anotehr country was willing to help and take in all the refugees and integrate them into society.

Which someone? Above you deny judaism is a religion.

Actually, I never do that. You really are lost.

No one owns judaism, torah or tanakh...... Anyone can learn the dialogue/religion and the history with or without any others approval.

That makes me wish that ignorant people like you would then choose to learn something. You haven't.

Just like israel does not own jerusalem, no matter what the criminals want to believe or sell.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, no matter how much you stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes.

Sure, the prophecy is about what is going to happen to israel and the dross that live within it. Read it. Ezek 22..
Again, anyone can read the dialogue. No one owns it, controls it or can hide it.

The prophecy of chapter 22 is pretty clear. It says what it refers to and when. You want to turn it into something which isn't there because you don't actually understand the text.

Are you suggesting that no bible can have Ezekiel and no one can observe the prophecy without you.

Why would you think that? You impute some really weird things. If this is the level of your reading comprehension I can see why you misunderstand everything.

NO, i dont read that language. Apparently, you have a road block in your interpretation, that keeps you from reading it.

So I quote something you can't read or understand and you tell me I don't read it. That's hilarious. When you grow up and learn something, let me know.

I did not invoke anything. I shared with you, what you never knew.

So you neither know what "invoke" means nor have a clue about what I know.

Ezek 22 has nothing to do with a temple.

so you don't understand Ezekiel. Big shock.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Bthoth & @rosends....
Let's not steer this thread into an argument
about etymology & biblical passages. The
thread is about liberals' changing views &
divisions regarding Israel & Palestinians.

Perhaps someone could create a new thread
debating biblical passages about this conflict.
I promise to stay out of it.

 

[Bthoth]

Oh you are just so funny, thinking you know what you are talking about when you haven't a clue.

See, you are wrong in so many ways again. Nations control their land. How else could Jordan have ceded control of Jerusalem? How else could any country exert governmental authority on any region. When France sells the US the Louisiana purchase, or Russia sells Alaska, does that offend you also? And if you think the city is a "concentration camp" then you haven't been paying attention.



Then you know neither the content and meaning of those resolutions, nor the international law regarding occupation.

Israel is maintaining ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of many areas of Palestine.

"Illegal occupation constitutes an act of aggression in international law and could also be a crime of aggression."

You mean all the 800,000 Jews who were kicked out of Arab countries?

Is that how you admit being wrong: Point to something else?

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, no matter how much you stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes.

Illegal occupation............ The documents that created israel, specifically made jerusalem a neutral city. But you have been brainwashed to believe as you do without ever learning how the state was created.

I will just laugh at you, knowing there is no temple on that mount NOR will be.

The prophecy of chapter 22 is pretty clear. It says what it refers to and when.

I know...... the dross are the bad guys and the prophecy expresses about exactly what I see now: oppression of the widows and fatherless.

What is beautiful is there is not one mention of Jews or the commandment adhering souls (skip that part, you have no idea what it means to be Honest)

So I quote something you can't read or understand and you tell me I don't read it. That's hilarious. When you grow up and learn something, let me know.

You post a language that I do not understand and then try to tell me, that YOUR narrative of the meaning supersedes.

About like your lack of integrity on ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of jerusalem. You have no idea what is true, because you have a narrative that you keep and everything is not understood because it contradicts your idea of reality.

so you don't understand Ezekiel. Big shock.

Ezekiel is a book with prophecy. It's has been written many languages.

Just because you have learned with a misdirected mind does not mean you own the meaning or have the last word.

I point out that Judaism is a religion and you bark at me. You are here on a religious forum and until you accept equality between people, you will have a biased perspective of what IS REAL. About like a blind mind never capable of seeing colors.

You do not own what IS REAL.

The topic is about Israel human right violations. I live here in the USA and have to face that my country has been funding that atrocity for over half a century. That funding part is what must end if the mislead cannot grow up.

ps... dont point at another atrocity that the HAMAS did when you see what you are doing is wrong.

 

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Israel is maintaining ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of many areas of Palestine.

No, it doesn't. that you insist it does just shows that you don't know international law. Not a surprise.

"Illegal occupation constitutes an act of aggression in international law and could also be a crime of aggression."

Good thing there is no occupation then.

Is that how you admit being wrong: Point to something else?

I didn't say anything that was wrong. I just pointed out an equivalent fact to parallel your fact. Neither one is relevant to your earlier claim.

Illegal occupation............ The documents that created israel, specifically made jerusalem a neutral city. But you have been brainwashed to believe as you do without ever learning how the state was created.

Not illegal occupation. Ask Jordan about that and about controling Jerusalem. Let me know what you find out.

I will just laugh at you, knowing there is no temple on that mount NOR will be.

so now you are showing ignorance of geography. The hits just keep on coming!

I know...... the dross are the bad guys and the prophecy expresses about exactly what I see now: oppression of the widows and fatherless.

That's not what the prophecy is about. You are taking it and have decided to apply it to something you personally feel. That's a great hobby. Totally separate from reality, but have fun!

What is beautiful is there is not one mention of Jews or the commandment adhering souls (skip that part, you have no idea what it means to be Honest)

And you don't seem to have a grasp of either English or Hebrew.

You post a language that I do not understand and then try to tell me, that YOUR narrative of the meaning supersedes.

I post a language in which the prophecy exists and then tell you that because you don't understand the language, you can't fully understand the prophecy. Wehereas I know the language and the prophecy. You admit to ignorance. Own it.

Ezekiel is a book with prophecy. It's has been written many languages.

No, it has been translated INTO many languages. Are you really that dim?

Just because you have learned with a misdirected mind does not mean you own the meaning or have the last word.

And you haven't learned at all so you are in no place to critique.

I point out that Judaism is a religion and you bark at me.

Not actually what happened. You might want to reread the posts.

You do not own what IS REAL.

Sure I do. There is a post-it note next to me. It is real. It is mine. You are wrong.

ps... dont point at another atrocity that the HAMAS did when you see what you are doing is wrong.

Don't ignore the atrocities and try to focus on the response when you know that what Hamas did was wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

More change...

Blinken declares 'far too many Palestinians have been killed'

Blinken welcomed the four-hour humanitarian Israeli pauses the White House announced on Thursday but said further action was required to protect Gaza's civilians.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Excerpted....

Speaking to reporters in New Delhi as he wrapped up a nine-day trip to the Middle East and Asia, he said: 'Far too many Palestinians have been killed; far too many have suffered these past weeks.'
'And we want to do everything possible to prevent harm to them and to maximize the assistance that gets to them,' he said, adding that Washington would be discussing further steps with Israel to advance these objectives.


Perhaps some day soon, a US politician could
criticize the source of all this death without
being punished by Congress.

 

[Bthoth]

No, it doesn't. that you insist it does just shows that you don't know international law. Not a surprise.

Good thing there is no occupation then.

Multiple United Nations General Assembly resolutions have described the continuing occupation as illegal. The general thrust of international law scholarship addressing this question has concluded that, regardless of whether it was initially legal, the occupation has become illegal over time.

Is Israel occupation illegal under international law?


International legal opinions. At present, based on the result of numerous UN resolutions that cite Article 49 of the Geneva Convention, the consensus view of the international community is that Israeli settlements are illegal and constitute a violation of international law.

Not illegal occupation. Ask Jordan about that and about controling Jerusalem. Let me know what you find out.

Jordan...

Jerusalem Waqf​

... Waqf or simply the Waqf, is the Jordanian-appointed organization responsible for controlling and managing the current Islamic edifices.

That mount is not the current 'city' just the place that has no temple which is driving the dross absolutely nuts.

Cracks me up to identify that so many people still maintain an idolatry for a location.

What is pure is that actual idolatry that has long been warned about. And what ezek was talking about, but you do not observe torah/tanakh unless it fits your narrative. You actually have been led to believe that the destruction of israel, the dross, happened 2000 yrs ago. What i find sick, is the scope that what israel is doing now, is actually what the prophecy is about.

Sure I do. There is a post-it note next to me. It is real. It is mine. You are wrong.

So now you have it in writing: You learned your religion from a post-it note. Now I see why you observe the apartheid as just another day at the office. Completely ignoring the atrocities over the last 50 yrs.

Don't ignore the atrocities and try to focus on the response when you know that what Hamas did was wrong.

I cannot ignore what israel is doing, as too many of my friends, actual Jews, take insults because of what israel has been doing and then using the religious designation. It's sick and disgusting to watch people condemning Jews because of that apartheid.

What is worse, is my country will not allow the UN to enforce the resolutions and make israel stop the illegal occupation.

As I chat with you, I find no quality rational for why you would defend the atrocities that the majority on the earth have been documenting for many decades. Israel is not going to be any less, if the dross cannot have the mount. The idolatry for that location is the reason israel exists in palestine and the nasty are unwilling to self-reflect knowing that the location is not that important.

That fact is not to argue but to help.

At least the majority of Jews on this earth, live here in the America's (plural), happy, safe and prosperous. Here practicing Judaism with honor and integrity without having to lie to themselves about a need for that stupid temple.

 

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They are among the brightest political stars rising from New York. They were born just months apart, 40 years after the founding of Israel.

And at the most fraught moment for American-Israeli relations in decades, the clashing views of Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ritchie Torres offer a striking glimpse into the future of one of American politics’ fiercest debates.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, the left-wing standard-bearer known for her social media mastery, has bucked Democratic orthodoxy since Hamas’s deadly Oct. 7 massacre, using her remarkable reach to build support for a cease-fire and a lasting foreign policy overhaul that puts Palestinians on equal footing with Israelis.

Mr. Torres, her lesser-known neighbor in the Bronx, is moving to stake his own claim on the national stage as a fervent pro-Israel foil, aggressively taking on what he perceives as crumbling support for the Jewish state on the left.

The debate between two millennial New Yorkers has fueled conflicts playing out in social media feeds and raucous street protests. It is a struggle not so much over traditional levers of power in Washington, but over who will shape the minds of a younger, diverse generation of voters that will soon steer the relationship to one of America’s closest allies.

 

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Excerpted...
They are among the brightest political stars rising from New York. They were born just months apart, 40 years after the founding of Israel.

And at the most fraught moment for American-Israeli relations in decades, the clashing views of Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ritchie Torres offer a striking glimpse into the future of one of American politics’ fiercest debates.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, the left-wing standard-bearer known for her social media mastery, has bucked Democratic orthodoxy since Hamas’s deadly Oct. 7 massacre, using her remarkable reach to build support for a cease-fire and a lasting foreign policy overhaul that puts Palestinians on equal footing with Israelis.

Mr. Torres, her lesser-known neighbor in the Bronx, is moving to stake his own claim on the national stage as a fervent pro-Israel foil, aggressively taking on what he perceives as crumbling support for the Jewish state on the left.

The debate between two millennial New Yorkers has fueled conflicts playing out in social media feeds and raucous street protests. It is a struggle not so much over traditional levers of power in Washington, but over who will shape the minds of a younger, diverse generation of voters that will soon steer the relationship to one of America’s closest allies.

Wouldn't happen in the GOP. Democrats are weak because they allow diversity of opinion. In the GOP every member has to defend the party line, even when the party line changes. Then they have to fervently defend the opposite of what they said last week. This is called strength in unity.
In the rare cases when a member has an own opinion, they are not supposed to state it in public. That is left for backroom debates.

 

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Wouldn't happen in the GOP. Democrats are weak because they allow diversity of opinion. In the GOP every member has to defend the party line, even when the party line changes. Then they have to fervently defend the opposite of what they said last week. This is called strength in unity.
In the rare cases when a member has an own opinion, they are not supposed to state it in public. That is left for backroom debates.

That seems so when religion is at work.
Pubs tend to be more fundamentalist Christian than
Dems, & Christianity drives the Jewish vs Muslim conflict.
Same with abortion. But in areas less influenced by
religion, eg, legalizing drugs, Pubs have more diversity
of opinion.

 

[rosends]

Multiple United Nations General Assembly resolutions have described the continuing occupation as illegal. The general thrust of international law scholarship addressing this question has concluded that, regardless of whether it was initially legal, the occupation has become illegal over time.

Is Israel occupation illegal under international law?

Nope because it isn't occupation under international law.

From "Occupied Territories" to "Disputed Territories," by Dore Gold

From 'Occupied Territories' to 'Disputed Territories,' by Dore Gold

www.jcpa.org

That mount is not the current 'city' just the place that has no temple which is driving the dross absolutely nuts.

So you haven't done any reasearch but just jumped to a wrong conclusion. Sad. Again, I'm talking about the city, not about Israel's allowing the waqf to control the temple mount.

Cracks me up to identify that so many people still maintain an idolatry for a location.

So you should tell the Jordanians that.

What is pure is that actual idolatry that has long been warned about. And what ezek was talking about, but you do not observe torah/tanakh unless it fits your narrative. You actually have been led to believe that the destruction of israel, the dross, happened 2000 yrs ago. What i find sick, is the scope that what israel is doing now, is actually what the prophecy is about.

What I find hilarious is that someone like you who cannot even study the text and clearly doesn't understand it is so convinced that his ignorant opinion has any value or relevance. And that someone is so narcissistic as to believe that his personal and uninformed position is so supremely right that he gets sick at the thought that the world doesn't agree.

So now you have it in writing: You learned your religion from a post-it note. Now I see why you observe the apartheid as just another day at the office. Completely ignoring the atrocities over the last 50 yrs.

Another swing and a miss. I'll try to write more simply in the future because you have trouble with any level of comprehension.

I cannot ignore what israel is doing, as too many of my friends, actual Jews, take insults because of what israel has been doing and then using the religious designation. It's sick and disgusting to watch people condemning Jews because of that apartheid.

Ooh, "actual Jews". Sadly, I'm surrounded by thousands of non-actual ones I guess. I'm also surrounded by people who know what actual apartheid is. Hope you are happy in your echo chamber.

What is worse, is my country will not allow the UN to enforce the resolutions and make israel stop the illegal occupation.

You don't really know how the UN works, do you?

As I chat with you, I find no quality rational for why you would defend the atrocities that the majority on the earth have been documenting for many decades. Israel is not going to be any less, if the dross cannot have the mount. The idolatry for that location is the reason israel exists in palestine and the nasty are unwilling to self-reflect knowing that the location is not that important.

You are conflating all sorts of statements and that is causing you a lot of confusion.

That fact is not to argue but to help.

At least the majority of Jews on this earth, live here in the America's (plural), happy, safe and prosperous. Here practicing Judaism with honor and integrity without having to lie to themselves about a need for that stupid temple.

It's like you know nothing of Judaism or the current conflict in the middle east. Really sad.

 

[Colt]

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are using a word wrong and I'm pointing it out. You respond by asking something ridiculous and irrelevant.

Great -- that just confirms what I said.

Gaza was given away by Israel on multiple occasions. It has its own borders and its own (somewhat) elected government. It borders Israel and Egypt. The nakba is not a factor in this geo-political truth.

Yes, administered by the British in the land of Israel (according to British coins from the region and era). Were there revolts by Arabs against the British? Did they commit suicide bombings?

Citing HRW? Really? HRW and Antisemitism: Sins of Commission and Omission » ngomonitor

Myths and Facts Israeli Settlements

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Why are you discussing a biblical prophecy which already took place

Yes, the temple was destroyed. And?

Cory Gil-Shuster produced a number of videos on a variety of topics, questions by viewers to parties living in Israel and Palestine. I find them very insightful IMOP They are called The Ask Project.

Name an important Palestinian in history.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope because it isn't occupation under international law.

From "Occupied Territories" to "Disputed Territories," by Dore Gold

From 'Occupied Territories' to 'Disputed Territories,' by Dore Gold

www.jcpa.org

That looks like a case of....
"We have investigated ourselves, & found that we did nothing wrong."
Israel doesn't occupy or oppress Palestinians.
Israel doesn't commit war crimes against Palestinians.
All according to Israel & its apologists.
But the world is just beginning to see thru that propaganda.

Do deny war crimes is to enable war crimes.
But there is hope....

A tear in the tent: The US Jews who are protesting Israel following Hamas massacres

Galvanized by groups including 'IfNotNow' and 'Jewish Voice for Peace,' thousands of US Jews have denounced the Jewish state almost immediately after slaughter of 1,200 Israelis

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[rosends]

That looks like a case of....
"We have investigated ourselves, & found that we did nothing wrong."

It is actually "We have studied the laws of war and are acting accordingly" and your response is "I don't agree with your conclusion so I'll tolls the whole thing out." Brilliant approach.

Israel doesn't occupy or oppress Palestinians.

Israel doesn't occupy Arab land.

Israel doesn't commit war crimes against Palestinians.

Israel's actions in this conflict are, unlike Hamas', in line with the laws of war.

All according to Israel & its apologists.

According to legal experts, not anonymous keyboard jockeys.

But the world is just beginning to see thru that propaganda.

Do deny war crimes is to enable war crimes.
But there is hope....

A tear in the tent: The US Jews who are protesting Israel following Hamas massacres

Galvanized by groups including 'IfNotNow' and 'Jewish Voice for Peace,' thousands of US Jews have denounced the Jewish state almost immediately after slaughter of 1,200 Israelis

www.timesofisrael.com

ah, yes...the opinions of the world...

Believing Israeli accounts of Oct. 7 makes you a 'war criminal,' ex-UK MP says

Former MP George Galloway claimed that only one baby was killed on October 7 and there was no evidence that it was Hamas terrorists that committed the murder.

www.jpost.com