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Liberals feel/think if you don't support Biden, then you are a MAGA

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
It's that "again" dogwhistle. We don't go backwards, we go forwards. Amd again? America hasn't been that great for that many groups, and this "make it like it was" means a loss of rights for those not in those few privileged groups.
Forward doesn't mean better; it can mean things have gotten worse. There have been plenty of losses, including rights - take 2nd Amendment rights, as an example. There are other issues, such as inflation (legal financial bankster theft).
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
MAGA stands for "make America great again" & I'm for that. If being for making America great again is "wrong" then I don't want to be "right".
Problem is, the current MAGA brand has gotten the acronym wrong. It's actually MARA, not MAGA.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
MAGA stands for "make America great again" & I'm for that. If being for making America great again is "wrong" then I don't want to be "right".
It's that "again" dogwhistle. We don't go backwards, we go forwards. Amd again? America hasn't been that great for that many groups, and this "make it like it was" means a loss of rights for those not in those few privileged groups.

I think it's also a matter of "great" being a highly subjective term which can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. Reagan used to call America the "Shining City on a Hill," and there's always been this attitude geared towards American exceptionalism and the mythos of the "American Dream." That kind of talk has been going on for a long time, so the idea of America being "great" is something that people have been conditioned to believe for generations.

However, coupled with that, there have been warnings that this wonderful, beautiful, precious, and great thing called "America" is being threatened and in great danger by...somebody - lots of people, all over the world who want to do harm to us and "our way of life" (another catch phrase which often gets used). A lot of people have been conditioned to think along these lines, which gives even further fuel to their zeal and patriotism for America.

Historically, America became powerful and wealthy due to a variety of factors (many involving aggressive expansionism, atrocity, slavery, and imperialism, among other things), but the result was that we became an industrial powerhouse with a cornucopia of resources which proved vital to the Allies in both World Wars. So, in that sense, we can say that we were "great," just as the Roman Empire can be considered "great" during its peak.

I guess the only real difference is not that we're not "great," but at least the Romans didn't make any pretense about it. They did it all for themselves and the glory and greatness of Rome, whereas our leaders claim it's for some higher, enlightened reason, such as freedom and love for the world. Some people even believe that we're following God's will and that God blesses America.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Forward doesn't mean better; it can mean things have gotten worse. There have been plenty of losses, including rights - take 2nd Amendment rights, as an example.
What gun rights have been limited? Should the mentally ill have access to guns? Should those with domestic violence issues have guns, as if before the SCOTUS now? The SCOTUS has been very generous in their interpretation of this right. This generosity has certainly allowed the USA to have a serious gun violence problem, including mass shootings. What more do you want? Total access to machine guns? Children having guns? Explain.
There are other issues, such as inflation (legal financial bankster theft).
Inflation is a global issue, not something local. The only reason that Biden was able to slow inflation in the USA was due to government having the authority to regulate commerce. Still, the government can't stop corporations from taking advantage of higher wages and pushing up prices to increase profits, and that is what they have done. No president or congress could stop them, including Trump. What can Trump do about inflation if he's elected? No one knows, he never mentions it. He just rants about boat batteries and being attacked by a shark. The man is disturbed ns incoherent.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yea deranged people say stuff like that.
You seem to be confused, as usual of late. We all remember how you repeated complained that the powerful never see justice for their actions and the one time that it is happening you oppose it. And this action is far more deserved than any other in the last 100 years. It is hard to take anyone seriously that cannot argue consistently and rationally.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Forward doesn't mean better; it can mean things have gotten worse. There have been plenty of losses, including rights - take 2nd Amendment rights, as an example. There are other issues, such as inflation (legal financial bankster theft).
Why would you blame Biden for inflation? If anything you should vote for him since he has done better with inflation than other countries have.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Don't like Biden then you're a MAGA

What a crock of crap!

Speaking for myself I don't like either one. Both need to go away. I can't believe these two are the best America has to offer. Its embarrassing

One belongs in a psych ward, the other in a nursing home.

Just look at them....
One rambles on with narcissistic BS, and its all about him.
The other just rambles on and has to be lead around like a child.

How anyone can have any confidence in either of them baffles me.

But is it really confidence? Or is it party loyalty?

Party loyalty is destructive in itself IMO because its about nothing but the party. We have had these two parties for many years but in the last 25ish years they have became destructive to everything they touch or don't like.
All they see and their followers see is its about them.

The two parties suck! Wise up and accept that.

They both hinder each other which in turn hinder the people.

Its time we get rid of politician lifers, bring in new blood that can and will actually try to make changes for the best, for the people instead of for themselves.

We are 100% where we are because of the games and BS the two parties play.

Wise up folks.
Never thought that. BUT if you support Trump then you are by default a MAGA.
However if you (say) support Nikki Hayley, then you are not a MAGA
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
What gun rights have been limited? The SCOTUS has been very generous in their interpretation of this right. This generosity has certainly allowed the USA to have a serious gun violence problem, including mass shootings.
Notice you only focus on "gun rights" & it's much broader than just guns. Anyhow, nothing is limiting 2nd Amendment rights, because that's not possible with laws (i.e. they're unconstitutional); in other words, it would have to be repealed in order for there to be limitations. What is happening now is that our 2nd Amendment rights are being infringed by any laws that impose any sort of restriction, ban, or mandate pertaining to keeping and bearing arms. Even taxes on the purchase, sale, rent, lease, possession, storage, or use of arms would be unconstitutional, for the same reason poll taxes are unconstitutional.

We have problems with gun violence & mass shootings because all of these unconstitutional laws that infringe on 2nd Amendment rights effectively render society unarmed sitting ducks, and ironically the criminals ignoring such unconstitutional gun grabber laws and using them to their advantage are the ones preserving their 2nd Amendment rights for themselves, but using it to commit crimes and wreak havoc.

BTW Do you only care about gun violence? All other forms of violence are no big deal, to you? As long as it's not violence that involved a gun, in your book it's ok?

Inflation is a global issue, not something local. The only reason that Biden was able to slow inflation in the USA was due to government having the authority to regulate commerce. Still, the government can't stop corporations from taking advantage of higher wages and pushing up prices to increase profits, and that is what they have done. No president or congress could stop them, including Trump. What can Trump do about inflation if he's elected? No one knows, he never mentions it. He just rants about boat batteries and being attacked by a shark. The man is disturbed ns incoherent.
Global not local is bandwagon fallacy - the US doesn't have to have a private central bank system that issues interest-bearing money loaned into existence, like the rest of the world. I don't know that Biden was able to slow inflation - that's begging the question fallacy. I'm only interested in actual inflation negatively affecting the average American buying groceries, fuel, paying rent, etc., not whatever political propaganda statistics you seem to be referring to.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
BTW Do you only care about gun violence? All other forms of violence are no big deal, to you? As long as it's not violence that involved a gun, in your book it's ok?
Do you have any reason for posing such a question, or was it simply some ugly knee-jerk smear?
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Aren't you the same forum dweller who I suggested to put me on ignore if you don't like what I post?
Therefore? At issue here is that you're the same dweller who backhandedly suggested that @F1fan cares nothing about violence other than gun violence.

FWIW, I'm trying to limit my ignore list. But you should feel free to ignore me if it helps. :)
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Notice you only focus on "gun rights" & it's much broader than just guns. Anyhow, nothing is limiting 2nd Amendment rights, because that's not possible with laws (i.e. they're unconstitutional); in other words, it would have to be repealed in order for there to be limitations. What is happening now is that our 2nd Amendment rights are being infringed by any laws that impose any sort of restriction, ban, or mandate pertaining to keeping and bearing arms. Even taxes on the purchase, sale, rent, lease, possession, storage, or use of arms would be unconstitutional, for the same reason poll taxes are unconstitutional.
Well if we are going to be so hard line on the amendment then we had better make sure citizens are part of militias for these rights to be enforced. The dilemma is that the militia part of the 2nd amednment is ignored, completely. The 2nd amendment is only one sentence, so how does that half get ignored, and the right to own and bear arms get inflated to a broad absolute? What would January 6, 2021 have been different if those Trump supporters been armed with machine guns? The Capitol poilce and congress was lucky there were laws in DC that limited guns. Fortunately most of those rioters followed that law. How many police would have died if the law was ignored?

To my mind the interpretation was compromised, and so was the type of weapons compromized. If an 18 year old kid wants a machine gun and it's allowed due to an uncompromized interpretation of the 2nd amendment, he'd better be part of an official state militia that is well regulated. As we all know, state militias were replaced by national guard units.
We have problems with gun violence & mass shootings because all of these unconstitutional laws that infringe on 2nd Amendment rights effectively render society unarmed sitting ducks, and ironically the criminals ignoring such unconstitutional gun grabber laws and using them to their advantage are the ones preserving their 2nd Amendment rights for themselves, but using it to commit crimes and wreak havoc.
Oh my, as if mass killers are so mentally sound that they worry about being killed if they attack children in a school, or people sitting in church? This heavily armed society is insanity. It is vastly more sane to screen people if they want guns, and limit the risk that mentally unstable people will open fire at your picnic. How fast can you get your gun if you are the first to get hit by a .223? Are you going to have your gun in hand every time you are out in public, just in case? Don't want to be caught off guard do you? It's not like mass shooters annouce where and when they will open fire. Maybe you will be at the grocery store minding your own business and you become face to face with a guy who pulls out a gun and aims it at you. Oh dang. Do you ask him to give you 30 seconds so you can pull your gun and have a fair gunfight?

A few years ago I was at a grocery store and I heard a disturbance. It was none of my business but there was a lady with her two kids running my way. Something was up. It turned out some guy had walked in with an AR15. The cops got called. The manager and secuirty asked him to leave. They guy said he was defending his 2nd amendment rights and wasn't a threat. Well there were a lot of people in that store that didn't know anything about this guy. Some people left their carts and ran from the store. I didn't see all this close up, I paid for my items and left. I read about it later on Facebook.

OK, the guy wasn't a threat and didn't shoot anyone. But no one wanted to trust a guy walking into a store with an AR15 given the risk. No one wants to get a bullet in the face because they assumed he was just a guy defending his 2nd amendment rights, and not a disgrunted employee out for revenge. Stores started banning people with guns because just the threat of not knowing is disruptive and unfair to shoppers.

I remember than mom with her kids. Is having access to a gun more important than her feeling safe getting groceries? Should moms worry about taking their kids anywhere in public because there are people walking around with guns? This is how idealism fails.
BTW Do you only care about gun violence? All other forms of violence are no big deal, to you? As long as it's not violence that involved a gun, in your book it's ok?
Look at you deflecting from gun violence. Humans are not perfect beings. Many humans have low emotional intelliegnce and stuggle to manage their emotions. Look at road rage. Look at domestic volence. What I prefer is more mental healthcare access. But as we know the cost of living keeps going up, and insurance companies have cut mental health benefits. This is why medication is being used more, and those who lack resources often end up commiting crimes and end up in prison. This is why libertarians overestimate their ideals, as if all humans will become wise, responsible, and accountable if we eliminate laws. No, that has never worked in any civilization ever in human history. Even many wild west towns banned guns in city limits. Why? Because the good people did not want to be killed by the stupid and undisciplined. It's called law and order for a reason.
Global not local is bandwagon fallacy - the US doesn't have to have a private central bank system that issues interest-bearing money loaned into existence, like the rest of the world. I don't know that Biden was able to slow inflation - that's begging the question fallacy. I'm only interested in actual inflation negatively affecting the average American buying groceries, fuel, paying rent, etc., not whatever political propaganda statistics you seem to be referring to.
Sorry, inflation is global. That's not to say there aren't local issue, like a bad crop affecting prices, but that's why there are futures markets on certain commodities. For example Biden sold a lot of oil that the USA had in reserves back in 2022, and it helped stabilize the price of oil on the gloabl market. He sold it at $97 a barrel. After the price of oil dropped he bought back oil for the reserves at $67 a barrel. That was a profit of over $500 billion for the USA. This illustrates how inflation can be managed at a global level. But corporations these days are global. They sell to all markets at prices they can get and maximize profits.

 
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