Life without mystery?

[Jimmy]

Is there anything out there that’s true that we have no evidence for? Or do you think evidence has the say for all ideas and things? Personally I believe that there are things and ideas that exist and are true that we have no evidence for. To say there’s nothing of the sort would be boring and unrealistic in my opinion.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Is there anything out there that’s true that we have no evidence for? Or do you think evidence has the say for all ideas and things? Personally I believe that there are things and ideas that exist and are true that we have no evidence for. To say there’s nothing of the sort would be boring and unrealistic in my opinion.

I'm sure there are things which are true that there is currently no evidence for. Evidence just validates beliefs.

 

[osgart]

I think there are universal truths arrived at through understanding, reason and experience. Physical evidence is only one method of validation. Physical evidence has many limitations; t's not a tell all.

Beings have great potential depth which with many remains unexplored. Being objective about subjective experience there are many universal truths one can find. Truths arrived at through reason which become self evident. I think because of those truths life is a great and profound mystery.

 

[Jimmy]

I think there are universal truths arrived at through understanding, reason and experience. Physical evidence is only one method of validation. Physical evidence has many limitations; t's not a tell all.

Beings have great potential depth which with many remains unexplored. Being objective about subjective experience there are many universal truths one can find. Truths arrived at through reason which become self evident. I think because of those truths life is a great and profound mystery.

I agree that Human beings have a remarkable depth of intuition to understand life’s mysteries.

What are some of the universal truths that you speak of?

 

[osgart]

Mainly things regarding virtues and values of human relationships and character. There are languages and mathematics, logic and, like you said intuition, and reason.

I think there are true forms of justice and truth according to virtues. I talk about virtues all the time so I don't want to sound like a broken record. Virtues can be studied and defined in great depth. The capacity to be fair and just is apart of human potential. There are foundations to what is deserving and trustworthy. There are general principles and understandings that lead to good will, trust, and a worthy love. The hearts of human beings have potentials, and capacities for great things.

In short I sense there are rules for living a good life, and dealing with evils, and troubles that can happen. I don't think truth is an exhaustible study; there's a lot of wisdom to be learned over the course of a lifetime.

 

[Nakosis]

Is there anything out there that’s true that we have no evidence for? Or do you think evidence has the say for all ideas and things? Personally I believe that there are things and ideas that exist and are true that we have no evidence for. To say there’s nothing of the sort would be boring and unrealistic in my opinion.

Sure but until we have evidence of its existence, there is no reason to concern ourselves with it.

 

[Quintessence]

Is there anything out there that’s true that we have no evidence for?

Given the limitations of human knowledge - humans experience a trivially minuscule fraction of a fraction of a fraction of realities - this is absolutely and indisputably the case. Though it would be fascinating to watch a human argue that humans are actually omniscient and omnipresent.

Addressing this from within the very limited framework of human knowledge, though? Depends on which human you ask and how fussy they are being with what "truth" is and what "evidence" is.

Or do you think evidence has the say for all ideas and things?

No, because that's stupid (see above). Maybe to be kind or playful about it, such a notion would certainly involve some creative storytelling. Humans as the highest power or supreme god in all realities that knows all and exists in all times and spaces? Eh, not really my cuppa tea as far as stories go but some humans like that kind of grandiose anthropocentrism.

 

[sun rise]

Is there anything out there that’s true that we have no evidence for? Or do you think evidence has the say for all ideas and things? Personally I believe that there are things and ideas that exist and are true that we have no evidence for. To say there’s nothing of the sort would be boring and unrealistic in my opinion.

Sometimes science works that way. Einstein's theories were first conceived and then proven later.

There's also a question of what constitutes evidence. There is scientific evidence as I've noted. There is evidence such as all the young children reincarnation memories. There is evidence of a commonality between the Christian mystics, Jewish Kabbalists, sufis and Hindu sages. There is the evidence of intuition where we act on an intuition and repeated find the intuition valid (and for which there is no objective evidence). There is subjective evidence.

 

[Jimmy]

Sure but until we have evidence of its existence, there is no reason to concern ourselves with it.

Sorry to hear that

 

[Jimmy]

Sometimes science works that way. Einstein's theories were first conceived and then proven later.

There's also a question of what constitutes evidence. There is scientific evidence as I've noted. There is evidence such as all the young children reincarnation memories. There is evidence of a commonality between the Christian mystics, Jewish Kabbalists, sufis and Hindu sages. There is the evidence of intuition where we act on an intuition and repeated find the intuition valid (and for which there is no objective evidence). There is subjective evidence.

Most of that stuff isn't evidence imo.

 

[Nakosis]

Sorry to hear that

Why?
Would you prefer to be concerned with things there is no evidence for?

You might find yourself concerned with the wrong thing.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Sure but until we have evidence of its existence, there is no reason to concern ourselves with it.

So we should not concern ourselves with dark matter particles, or black hole singularities?

 

[Nakosis]

So we should not concern ourselves with dark matter particles, or black hole singularities?

How Do Scientists Know Dark Matter Exists?

So what about a black hole singularity concerns you?