Logically, agnosticism is the most rational position

[leibowde84]

We understand that man has always been man. A very interesting piece of logic below.

“For so long as it is acknowledged that these different beings have appeared in time, it is possible that man simply came into existence after the animal. Thus we observe in the vegetable kingdom that the fruits of different trees do not appear all at once; on the con-trary, some appear earlier in the season and others later. This priority is not a proof that the later fruit of one tree was produced from the earlier fruit of another."

Bahá, Abdu’l. “Some Answered Questions.”

https://ncse.com/creationism/analysis/transitional-fossils-are-not-rare

Check out the examples included in the linked page above for reference.

 

[viole]

My understanding is we need certain bacteria so we only need to be protected from bacteria which is deadly but we should not interfere with life to the point of trying to exterminate bacteria needed for life. In nature and man there needs to always be equilibrium or balance.

Yeah, well, of course. But I did not ask about all bacteria. i asked about the tubercolosis ones.

You make feel like a mass murderer every time I exterminate bacteria when I need to take antibiotics.

Ciao

- viole

 

[loverofhumanity]

How do you explain the various "missing links" or transitional species that show the gradual evolutionary changes that brought us to modern humans?

They were just perhaps later species that appeared. There's nothing to say we have evolved from them as opposed to having come after them.

I don't thing we can confidently make the call that just because we came after a species that we evolved from it.

As it is said. Just because some trees bloom later doesn't mean they evolved from other trees.

There's a lot of assumption.

That man evolved from a lower species is speculation and assumption.

There's no reason why man could not have just appeared afterwards without having evolved from them.

 

[leibowde84]

They were just perhaps later species that appeared. There's nothing to say we have evolved from them as opposed to having come after them.

I don't thing we can confidently make the call that just because we came after a species that we evolved from it.

As it is said. Just because some trees bloom later doesn't mean they evolved from other trees.

There's a lot of assumption.

That man evolved from a lower species is speculation and assumption.

There's no reason why man could not have just appeared afterwards without having evolved from them.

But, the transitional species show a clear progression to modern humans, so why doubt it? What makes us just appearing supernaturally more likely?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yeah, well, of course. But I did not ask about all bacteria. i asked about the tubercolosis ones.

You make feel like a mass murderer every time I exterminate bacteria when I need to take antibiotics.

Ciao

- viole

Yes I would be happy if people are completely free of TB but you are asking me about the complete extermination of the bacteria which is a question I don't know the answer to.

 

[viole]

Yes I would be happy if people are completely free of TB but you are asking me about the complete extermination of the bacteria which is a question I don't know the answer to.

So, if you do not know the answer, don't you think you were too fast in declaring that ALL life should be respected?

Ciao

- viole

 

[loverofhumanity]

But, the transitional species show a clear progression to modern humans, so why doubt it? What makes us just appearing supernaturally more likely?

But the animals show no traits of humans such as exploration, scientific pursuit, belief in God and Philosophy, Mathematics, founding complex civilisations, algebra, computer technology.

There's nothing we have in common with animals except bone and muscle. That's why we are a distinct species. There is just no case for maintaining our spiritual inheritance came from lower species. We can know God animals only have instinct.

 

[leibowde84]

But the animals show no traits of humans such as exploration, scientific pursuit, belief in God and Philosophy, Mathematics, founding complex civilisations, algebra, computer technology.

There's nothing we have in common with animals except bone and muscle. That's why we are a distinct species. There is just no case for maintaining our spiritual inheritance came from lower species. We can know God animals only have instinct.

I agree that we are the most advanced species and probably the first ones capable of such things, but that doesn't make evolution any less likely. It just means we were the first.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So, if you do not know the answer, don't you think you were too fast in declaring that ALL life should be respected?

Ciao

- viole

No I don't believe so because it was not a scientific statement based upon atoms and molecules but a general statement about being respectful to life as in human life and life in general. Bacteria well that wasn't what I was speaking about.

 

[McBell]

We understand that man has always been man. A very interesting piece of logic below.

“For so long as it is acknowledged that these different beings have appeared in time, it is possible that man simply came into existence after the animal. Thus we observe in the vegetable kingdom that the fruits of different trees do not appear all at once; on the con-trary, some appear earlier in the season and others later. This priority is not a proof that the later fruit of one tree was produced from the earlier fruit of another."

Bahá, Abdu’l. “Some Answered Questions.”

You do understand that many participants in this thread of not a member of your choir, right?

 

[McBell]

No I don't believe so because it was not a scientific statement based upon atoms and molecules but a general statement about being respectful to life as in human life and life in general. Bacteria well that wasn't what I was speaking about.

Perhaps you should be more specific in your claims?

 

[viole]

No I don't believe so because it was not a scientific statement based upon atoms and molecules but a general statement about being respectful to life as in human life and life in general. Bacteria well that wasn't what I was speaking about.

Sorry for teasing you. But all life includes bacteria. Logically.

But I see what you mean. Next time I will try not to vacuum clean that poor innocent bug eating my expensive curtains. For it does not know what it is doing.

By the way: why do we need bacteria to survive? is that part of divine design?

Ciao

- viole

 

[loverofhumanity]

I agree that we are the most advanced species and probably the first ones capable of such things, but that doesn't make evolution any less likely. It just means we were the first.

Here's the killer argument... We may have even looked like the animals but that doesn't mean we were not always a distinct species ..... The embryo proves we can remain the same species and evolve at the same time does it not???

“For example, let us suppose that man once bore a resemblance to the animal and that he has since evolved and transformed. Accepting this statement does not prove the transformation of species, but could instead be likened to the changes and transformations that the human embryo undergoes before reaching its full development and maturity, as was earlier mentioned. To be more explicit, let us suppose that man once walked on all fours or had a tail: This change and transformation is similar to that of the fetus in the womb of the mother. Even though the fetus develops and evolves in every possible way before it reaches its full development, from the beginning it belongs to a distinct species”

Excerpt From: Bahá, Abdu’l. “Some Answered Questions.” Bahá’í

 

[loverofhumanity]

Sorry for teasing you. But all life includes bacteria. Logically.

But I see what you mean. Next time I will try not to vacuum clean that poor innocent bug eating my expensive curtains. For it does not know what it is doing.

By the way: why do we need bacteria to survive? is that part of divine design?

Ciao

- viole

I'm happy to be teased. It develops my patience!

I don't know that answer except in things like digestion where we need bacteria to help digest our food and things like probiotics help when we have stomach problems which restore the balance of bacteria in out gut. I assume all over the planet bacteria is performing other life giving services such as sustaining our atmosphere so we can breathe.

Is it all part of a divine plan? I think the intricacy and sheer complexity of life to the minutest detail gives up the fact that it's been divinely designed but that's just my view.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Perhaps you should be more specific in your claims?

Ok I'll try then to improve my politically correctness?

 

[McBell]

Ok I'll try then to improve my politically correctness?

Has nothing to do with PC.
It has to do with stating clearly what you are claiming.

Don't be like Holy Texts in that what you say can be made out to mean any number of things.

 

[loverofhumanity]

You do understand that many participants in this thread of not a member of your choir, right?

I can leave if you wish. I didn't know those that had different ideas weren't welcome in this thread. I thought it was welcome to all. I sincerely apologise.

 

[McBell]

I can leave if you wish. I didn't know those that had different ideas weren't welcome in this thread. I thought it was welcome to all. I sincerely apologise.

So easy to be the martyr.

A clear sign of weak faith.

Might want to work on that.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So easy to be the martyr.

A clear sign of weak faith.

Might want to work on that.

I don't know what you mean. I understood you were inferring I shouldn't be in this thread as my views are not the same as others and I don't want to upset anyone so maybe you are right as it is not a thread about religion. It's easy to jump from thread to thread forgetting the topic. I apologise again.

 

[loverofhumanity]

https://ncse.com/creationism/analysis/transitional-fossils-are-not-rare

Check out the examples included in the linked page above for reference.

The proof that man did not evolve from any other species is that no other species contain all the qualities of man such as I have explained. The spiritual as well as scientific achievements. Have never had science or religion in their portfolio which distinguishes man from other species.