Love the Jewish People: An easy-to-read comic for Christians

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Love the Jewish People

I personally didn't agree with all the pro-conversion, evangelical stuff at the end, but the beginning of this comic is pretty good.

 

[Caladan]

That's pretty disturbing

 

[Kathryn]

Chick tracts - Lordy, are those pieces of trash still around?????

 

[LuisDantas]

Uh, this is still a DIR, but indulge me as well for the moment... I just want to say that it must be incredibly unconfortable for Christians to have such tracts running around. Not Christianity's finest speaker, Jack Chick.

 

[.lava]

Uh, this is still a DIR, but indulge me as well for the moment... I just want to say that it must be incredibly unconfortable for Christians to have such tracts running around. Not Christianity's finest speaker, Jack Chick.

thank you for warning, LuisDantas

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[Kathryn]

Uh, this is still a DIR, but indulge me as well for the moment... I just want to say that it must be incredibly unconfortable for Christians to have such tracts running around. Not Christianity's finest speaker, Jack Chick.

Lunatics of all stripes abound everywhere. It's not incredibly uncomfortable for Christians to have Jack Chick around - it's more entertaining than anything. Most Christians think his lunacy is so obvious that there's no real danger of anyone with a lick of sense thinking that Chick tracts are mainstream Christian beliefs.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Mainstream is a river created by evil men to flush humanity down the toilet. Mainstream Christianity isn't Christianity -

The Holy Bible is Christianity and there is nothing mainstream about it. And for the most part Chic tracs are very accurate. The only thing that I dont believe is quite accurate in the example given in this thread is Israels role in the end times.

Israel will actually believe the Anti-christ is the Mesiah, and they will worship him and He will allow then to institute their sacrifices again, (the temple is ready to be built and the rabinacle priest are already prepared to start doing this). In turn God will punish Israel greatly for this and millions upon millions of jews and non jews will be wiped out. But the Lord will send 144,000 Christian Jews most likely they will be as powerful and influential as the apostle Paul, they will evanagelise the whole world, most will be martyred, then the end will come, and after that Christ will reign on earth for 1000 years. As a result of the great work of these 144,000 Mesianic Jews during the tribulation period a great innumerable number of human beings will be converted to a saving faith in Christ.

IE HE will reign on this earth for 1000 years, that's a good one to keep in mind when people tell you that global warming is destroyng the planet and we dont have much time left etc etc. How does 1000 years sound for "not much time left?" A new heaven and a new earth will come after this.

I fully expect to be mocked and called a whack job after this, so be it, this is what the scripture says. repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand. You are all in my prayers. If you repent and believe in the Lord now, you wil be spared the tribulation (that is of course if it happens in this generation) It may not happen in this generation - the final prophesy, that must take place prior to Christs return, is the building of the temple in Jerusalem, keep your eyes on this area of the world. Another prophesy is that all nations will hate Israel. And right now Israel is surounded by enemy states and countries not to mention the penchant of the world wide media outlets to put the put into them aswell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNhv0pA9E9Y&feature=related If this series of videos does not convince you of the truth, nothing will.

 

[Kathryn]

Why does this not surprise me.

How many Chick tracts have you read? If you think that the majority of them truly represent the Christianity of Jesus Christ...wow is about all I can say.

Jack Chick believes that the Catholic Church masterminded the Holocaust and started WW2, founded Islam, Mormonism, the Jehovah's Witness, and communism. Such glaring disregard for history is for me an immediate turn off. Couple that with his inflammatory rhetoric and his garish cartoons, and I quickly come to the conclusion that he's more similar to Jerry Springer than he is to Jesus Christ.

 

[ATAT]

Isn't the anti-Christ someone who comes to bring people to worship him by doing miracles which come true, lead to the dispersion of the Jewish people, and try to get them to abandon the law?

Deuteronomy 13 NIV

Worshiping Other Gods

1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.




Is it possible the anti-Christ has already come?

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Why does this not surprise me.

How many Chick tracts have you read? If you think that the majority of them truly represent the Christianity of Jesus Christ...wow is about all I can say.

Jack Chick believes that the Catholic Church masterminded the Holocaust and started WW2, founded Islam, Mormonism, the Jehovah's Witness, and communism. Such glaring disregard for history is for me an immediate turn off. Couple that with his inflammatory rhetoric and his garish cartoons, and I quickly come to the conclusion that he's more similar to Jerry Springer than he is to Jesus Christ.

Our research shows that people who don't like Jack Chick are not Christians.

This is the statement of faith on The chick site

Statement of FaithWe hold that the Bible, the Holy Word of a Holy God, was not only free from error in the originals (which have been lost for centuries) but also we believe God in His Singular providential care has KEPT HIS WORD all through the ages, right down to the present day as found in the King James Version. We consider this version our final and absolute authority, above and beyond all other authorities on earth.
God is one, eternally existing in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who are infinite in glory, wisdom, holiness, justice, power and love.
Jesus Christ is true man and God, who in His incarnation was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin, Mary. In His earthly ministry He lived a sinless life, performed miracles, and died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins according to the Scriptures. By the power of God, He was raised from the dead in the same body now glorified. He ascended into Heaven where, at the right hand of God, He continually makes intercession for us.
The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father and the Son; regenerates the believing sinner; indwells, guides, instructs and empowers the believer for Godly living and service; comforts the children of God. The Holy Spirit guides and gives power to the church, the body of Christ, to fulfill the Great Commission, and convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment.
Man was created in the image and likeness of God; but through the sin of Adam, man fell into sin and is, therefore, lost apart from Christ. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Salvation is the gift of God and includes the forgiveness of sins, the imputation of the Righteousness of Jesus Christ, and the gift of eternal life. Union with the triune God provides all blessings in this life and the life hereafter. Salvation is received by faith alone, apart from all good works and merit.
The church is composed of all those regenerated by the Spirit of God by whom they have been baptized into one body of whom Christ is the head. The purpose of the church is to witness concerning Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, and to preach the Gospel among all nations.
Jesus Christ will come again to receive unto Himself those who believe in Him, that where He is, they may be also. He will come again personally and visibly to establish His kingdom.

The resurrection of the believers will be unto eternal glory, and the resurrection of the unbelievers will be unto eternal punishment.

if you are not aware that the jesuit order has been instrumental in all of things you mock Jack Chick for stating they where involved in, then I suggest you go and do your home work before making unqualified criticisms of a man who has been resopnsible for leading 1000s upon 1000s of people to salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ, How many people have you led to the Lord? Because as of right now, I'm about ready to put you on ignore.

 

[Father Heathen]

Our research shows that people who don't like Jack Chick are not Christians.

Who is "we" and could you share this "research" with the rest of us?

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Who is "we" and could you share this "research" with the rest of us?

We Christians - My point is people who get stuck into Chic tracks, cant be Christians IMO. His tracts are out and out genuine Christian gosple messages that state Clearly you need faith in Jesus Christ to be saved. For a Christian to get stuck into that is like a mormon getting stuck into the book for mormon. It shows the true colours and doesnt require any research at all.

 

[Kathryn]

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Our research shows that people who don't like Jack Chick are not Christians.

"Our" research? In another post you clarify this statement as meaning "us Christians." Interesting. I'm a Christian and nobody ever polled me about this.

This is the statement of faith on The chick site

Other than the nonsense about the KJV bible, I don't disagree with with anything else in his Mission Statement. Funny though - it sounds so familiar....Oh, I know where I've heard this terminology before - in the Nicene and Apostle's Creeds! Those PAPIST creeds from the early Catholic Church that Jack Chick abhors.

Thing about mission statements though is that they don't tell the whole story. For instance, here is the mission statement from the Sierra Club:

To explore, enjoy, and protect the wild places of the earth;
To practice and promote the responsible use of the earth's ecosystems and resources;
To educate and enlist humanity to protect and restore the quality of the natural and human environment; and to use all lawful means to carry out these objectives.

That's nice. Nothing controversial about any of that. However, the Sierra Club has a deeply political agenda that is NOT spelled out in their mission statement.

if you are not aware that the jesuit order has been instrumental in all of things you mock Jack Chick for stating they where involved in, then I suggest you go and do your home work before making unqualified criticisms of a man who has been resopnsible for leading 1000s upon 1000s of people to salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ

I love the study of history and have done a lot of research particularly on the Roman Catholic Church. My opinions are neither unqualified nor unresearched. Jack Chick and I have, however, reached differing conclusons from our own research and study.

And though I am not in the position to pass judgment on a person's salvation, I do think it will be interesting to see just how many people have actually converted to and embraced and lived Christianity solely on the "merits" of Jack Chick's comic books.

How many people have you led to the Lord?

Several. But how is this the point? See, you and I are going to disagree on many points, because for starters, I don't believe in "once saved, always saved," and I don't believe that one emotional run down the aisle after 17 stanzas of "Just As I Am" at the end of summer camp is all that is required to "get you into heaven." It's not like you can buy a ticket and then *POOF* you're in.

So - it's hard to say how many people ANYONE, including Billy Graham, has "led to the Lord." We won't know that till judgment day.

Because as of right now, I'm about ready to put you on ignore

I wonder why someone would come to a debate forum, and then get mad at people who voice their disagreement. If you choose to put me on ignore, so be it. But that seems counter productive, because:

1. If you are here to debate and discuss religious topics, why would you put someone on ignore who is willing to interact with you?

2. If you are here to try to understand other perspectives, for whatever reasons, why would you be uninterested in the perspective of another person claiming to be a Christian, who disagrees with you on some issues?

That being said, it won't bother me at all if you ignore me. It will, however, verify some of my suspicions about you.

 

[ATAT]

If you are here to debate and discuss religious topics, why would you put someone on ignore who is willing to interact with you?

Hey, that's nothing. I put everyone on my 'ignore' list. I don't mean just here, I mean everybody, my father, my mother, my best friend...


As for Chick Tracts, I grew up on those things, I love them, and I'm not a Christian at all.

I get the same thrill out of reading those things as I get out of looking at porn or sneaking a peek at the ladies wearing spandex riding their bicycles on my way to work... I know on some level I shouldn't be doing it, but, I can't help the first glance... and what's the harm? It's not like they can see me looking at them, and if I don't look at them, I could have an accident.

(at this point, the writer of this post drives off a cliff, and in the next panel a cartoon angel of the Lord takes his soul up to heaven to be judged.)

As with porn, I have my Chick Tract story preferences... I want the hapless man, who was pressured to out-run the train or drank and had a heart attack, I want to see him thrown into the Lake of Fire, and I want to see the distant souls already in the Lake of Fire raising their arms grasping the air in agony trying to get out. The bigger the shock of the new guy, the more unexpected the damnation, the greater the pleasure at reading it. It won't be complete without the badly drawn demons laughing at his wide-eyed horror.

Honestly, which has more bite, some Superman comic that I couldn't afford and couldn't really relate to, or a very cheap, perhaps free Chick Tract telling me that my soul was immortal and not even hot lava could damage it. Oh, sure, suffering rates high on my, "Things to Avoid" list, but, when push comes to shove, those tracts told me I was immortal and the entire universe revolved around what I did from one moment to the next.

There was an hour long special on Chick Tracts, pretty cool. Evidently, there are no photographs of John Chick to speak of, I'm VERY careful about not being photographed.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Hey, that's nothing. I put everyone on my 'ignore' list. I don't mean just here, I mean everybody, my father, my mother, my best friend...


As for Chick Tracts, I grew up on those things, I love them, and I'm not a Christian at all.

I get the same thrill out of reading those things as I get out of looking at porn or sneaking a peek at the ladies wearing spandex riding their bicycles on my way to work... I know on some level I shouldn't be doing it, but, I can't help the first glance... and what's the harm? It's not like they can see me looking at them, and if I don't look at them, I could have an accident.

(at this point, the writer of this post drives off a cliff, and in the next panel a cartoon angel of the Lord takes his soul up to heaven to be judged.)

As with porn, I have my Chick Tract story preferences... I want the hapless man, who was pressured to out-run the train or drank and had a heart attack, I want to see him thrown into the Lake of Fire, and I want to see the distant souls already in the Lake of Fire raising their arms grasping the air in agony trying to get out. The bigger the shock of the new guy, the more unexpected the damnation, the greater the pleasure at reading it. It won't be complete without the badly drawn demons laughing at his wide-eyed horror.

Honestly, which has more bite, some Superman comic that I couldn't afford and couldn't really relate to, or a very cheap, perhaps free Chick Tract telling me that my soul was immortal and not even hot lava could damage it. Oh, sure, suffering rates high on my, "Things to Avoid" list, but, when push comes to shove, those tracts told me I was immortal and the entire universe revolved around what I did from one moment to the next.

There was an hour long special on Chick Tracts, pretty cool. Evidently, there are no photographs of John Chick to speak of, I'm VERY careful about not being photographed.

Comparing a Chick tract to a porn addiction is taking this "set up/Christian beat up" of a thread to a whole new level of sickening depravity, stellar work folks.

Im amazed.

Moral works....lol

 

[ATAT]

No, I wasn't comparing Chick tracts to porn addiction.

First off, just looking at porn is NOT an addiction.

I said I get the same thrill.

They both feel equally wrong, immoral, something wrong with both of them.

Only the feeling of wrongness is the same.

Not too much, just a little, like going into a grocery store through the exit, that level of feeling.

I didn't just say grocery shopping is the same as a porn addiction.

The feeling of doing something wrong is the same level, though.

All three have a 'bite' to them that you don't get by reading a Superman comic.

I didn't just contrast reading Superman to porn, I contrasted the feelings of purity vs. feelings of possibly doing something wrong, but you can't quite put your finger on what's immoral about it.

I also think you should note that I had a positive slant on all four activities, reading Superman, going into grocery stores, reading Chick tracts, glancing at ladies riding ten speed bicycles in their spandex (for just the first moment). What's the harm? It *could* be immoral (not Superman) but maybe we should be doing those things. Sex is a gift from God, after all, in moderation, within marriage, or in the privacy of your office, who's going to complain if you pull out a Chick tract and have a good, very slightly disturbed, laugh at the dark humor of demons laughing at someone being tortured for all of eternity?

But I've never been able to shake this feeling that MAYBE three of the four things might be wrong.

Maybe I should get over my fears and all four should be done with gusto, good health, a love of life.

I don't know, and the uncertainty is part of our challenge or growth here on this planet, I think.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

No, I wasn't comparing Chick tracts to porn addiction.

First off, just looking at porn is NOT an addiction.

I said I get the same thrill.

They both feel equally wrong, immoral, something wrong with both of them.

Only the feeling of wrongness is the same.

Not too much, just a little, like going into a grocery store through the exit, that level of feeling.

I didn't just say grocery shopping is the same as a porn addiction.

The feeling of doing something wrong is the same level, though.

All three have a 'bite' to them that you don't get by reading a Superman comic.

I didn't just contrast reading Superman to porn, I contrasted the feelings of purity vs. feelings of possibly doing something wrong, but you can't quite put your finger on what's immoral about it.

Oh did I take you of context? That's unusual. Are you okay now, or shall I get you a lemsip?

 

[ATAT]

I don't think you took me out of context, rather, I was only comparing my moral feelings (= the moral feelings of uncertainty regarding my behavior) about the one to my moral feelings about doing the other.

I don't know if any of them is bad. (However, any addiction [your word] is bad given that is how 'addiction' is defined.)

I think Nazi uniforms were very well designed. I hate Nazis, but their uniforms were great.

Julius Caesar was an amazing general. I think the Roman empire was evil, they stole and enslaved from others to run their empire, but JC's tactics were amazing.

I think we can talk about parts of ideas without necessarily comparing all the variables of the one to all the variables of the other.

The principle of charity requires that we view each person's writings in the best possible view, the strongest possible (within reason) interpretation.

Thank you for helping me to make that clear.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

I don't think you took me out of context, rather, I was only comparing my moral feelings (= the moral feelings of uncertainty regarding my behavior) about the one to my moral feelings about doing the other.

I don't know if any of them is bad. (However, any addiction [your word] is bad given that is how 'addiction' is defined.)

I think Nazi uniforms were very well designed. I hate Nazis, but their uniforms were great.

Julius Caesar was an amazing general. I think the Roman empire was evil, they stole and enslaved from others to run their empire, but JC's tactics were amazing.

I think we can talk about parts of ideas without necessarily comparing all the variables of the one to all the variables of the other.

The principle of charity requires that we view each person's writings in the best possible view, the strongest possible (within reason) interpretation.

Thank you for helping me to make that clear.

Thank you for helping to make the thread a darker place. What ever gives you a thrill pal. Enjoy.

 

[ATAT]

Doesn't look dark to me, I enjoy Chick tracts, I wish I could find some on a bench some place and read them again. I used to just throw them in the trash whenever I found one, now I wish I had saved them. I haven't come across one in over twenty years, maybe thirty, have you? Seeing one of those or hearing the opening music to Star Wars is like a blast from the past, I'm instantly young again, for a moment anyway.