Love your parents, says Bible. Why?

[Elihoenai]

When we are born we have no knowledge, as we grow we learn from our Parents who brought us into this world who have already lived their lives and know what troubles are in the world. So when we obey our Parents we are showing our Parents and God our true love. God tells us that as the end gets closer it will get worse and the children will start disobeying and being out of control. They truly are doing as God said they would do. This is a sign that the end is close. 2 Timothy 3: 1-2

What about Parents that Abuse their Children and/or support the Abuse of their Children? Should a Child obey their parents in those cases?

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[Nakosis]

Indeed, as a general principle, that is good advice. But what if your father and mother are criminals? The general principle must be written. Any exceptions do not need to be written. If it is not written, "Do not murder," there will be a dead planet in just one second. So, it is written. Any exceptions from this commandment do not need to be written. So, to save the space of the Bible, they are not written.

Then I suppose those of us who are the exception need no advise from God.

 

[Elihoenai]

Then I suppose those of us who are the exception need no advise from God.

Psalm 51:5

5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.


Those that are the Exception are the Exception because of Obeying Elohim's/God's Advice. The Command is for Israel Only and Not for Gentiles that are in a Total War Against Elohim/God.

I have Affirmed many times that Outside of Israel All Fathers and Mothers are Self Abusers, Child Abusers and Abusers of Others. Yeshua/Jesus Instructed to Hate Self Abusers, Child Abusers and Abusers of Others. Members of Christendom have not Really understood this, let alone unbelieving Gentiles. Rebellion Against Elohim/God means a Life/Death Defined by Abuse.

 

[Elihoenai]

When we are born we have no knowledge, as we grow we learn from our Parents who brought us into this world who have already lived their lives and know what troubles are in the world. So when we obey our Parents we are showing our Parents and God our true love. God tells us that as the end gets closer it will get worse and the children will start disobeying and being out of control. They truly are doing as God said they would do. This is a sign that the end is close. 2 Timothy 3: 1-2

Ephesians 6

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;


The Holy Scripture 2 Timothy 3:1-2 asserts that the Parents first are Obedient to Elohim/God. Therefore, if the Child is disobedient to Parents that are Obedient to Elohim/God, this means Really the Child is Disobedient to Elohim/God. This teaching is Not for Children that have Parents in a Total War Against Elohim/God.

For an obvious example, in the World, some Parents tell their Child to Steal Cigarettes from a shop for them.

 

[idea]

Indeed, as a general principle, that is good advice. But what if your father and mother are criminals? The general principle must be written. Any exceptions do not need to be written. If it is not written, "Do not murder," there will be a dead planet in just one second. So, it is written. Any exceptions from this commandment do not need to be written. So, to save the space of the Bible, they are not written.

Define father and mother, they need not be biological.

 

[Pawpatrol]

more so than just the two who conceived your physical vessel

What about the pregnancy, the delivery, the endless breastfeeding, then the feeding of solids and scrubbing the kitchen floor a thousand times — what about listening to the constant whining and crying, and what about changing and bathing and the spending of a good portion of a parent's lifetime on putting your "physical vessel" to sleep? All for you to wake up an hour or two later screaming?

 

[Spice]

Then I suppose those of us who are the exception need no advise from God.

The Bible does not say to "love" your parents, at least not outside of them being neighbors, or even enemies, so of course you should love them. The Bible says to "honor" your father and your mother.

So even if one's parents are not perfect in every way, and who is, they can be given the public respect of not airing their dirty laundry for all to see. That would be an example of "honoring" your father and mother. Even if it's true, you don't have to call your father a drunken old fool, etc. And if he's abusive, yes, you may have to tell the authorities, but you don't have to run his name down in the streets. That's not giving honor. That's being self-centered and spiteful.

 

[Spice]

What about the pregnancy, the delivery, the endless breastfeeding, then the feeding of solids and scrubbing the kitchen floor a thousand times — what about listening to the constant whining and crying, and what about changing and bathing and the spending of a good portion of a parent's lifetime on putting your "physical vessel" to sleep? All for you to wake up an hour or two later screaming?

What about it? I'm not following your question. What I am picking up is a dreadful sense of vanity wrapped in utter unhappiness. Are you alright.

 

[Pawpatrol]

What about it? I'm not following your question. What I am picking up is a dreadful sense of vanity wrapped in utter unhappiness. Are you alright.

You referred to the parents as merely people who "conceived your physical vessel". That completely ignores the sacrifices they made for you, the incredible amount of work it took to just keep you basically ok, and to you that's — what, vanity?

Unhappy? Yes, tons of parents go through very unhappy times raising their children.

My point is, parents deserve their children's respect for these simple things already, and to refer to them as just people who "conceived your physical vessel" is downright disrespectful.

 

[Spice]

You referred to the parents as merely people who "conceived your physical vessel". That completely ignores the sacrifices they made for you, the incredible amount of work it took to just keep you basically ok, and to you that's — what, vanity?

Unhappy? Yes, tons of parents go through very unhappy times raising their children.

My point is, parents deserve their children's respect for these simple things already, and to refer to them as just people who "conceived your physical vessel" is downright disrespectful.

You should go back and reread the entire post that you pulled a piece of to critique:

It is "honor," not "love." And, IMO, this directive is in reference to your heredity, your culture, your community, your elders in general more so than just the two who conceived your physical vessel.

And these "sacrifices" you refer to are NOTHING in the overall dedication parents have for their children that last not for a mere 18 years ascribed by law, but for an unlimited lifetime. . .in most cases.

You should also read my post #67.

 

[Nakosis]

The Bible does not say to "love" your parents, at least not outside of them being neighbors, or even enemies, so of course you should love them. The Bible says to "honor" your father and your mother.

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So even if one's parents are not perfect in every way, and who is, they can be given the public respect of not airing their dirty laundry for all to see. That would be an example of "honoring" your father and mother. Even if it's true, you don't have to call your father a drunken old fool, etc. And if he's abusive, yes, you may have to tell the authorities, but you don't have to run his name down in the streets. That's not giving honor. That's being self-centered and spiteful.

Your argument seems to be with the thread title.

 

[Spice]

Your argument seems to be with the thread title.

I see a difference between "love" and "honor," and the OP does confirm that it's the commandment that is in question. The commandment states "honor," so yes, I see reason to address the difference.

 

[Pawpatrol]

You should go back and reread the entire post that you pulled a piece of to critique:

And these "sacrifices" you refer to are NOTHING in the overall dedication parents have for their children that last not for a mere 18 years ascribed by law, but for an unlimited lifetime. . .in most cases.

You should also read my post #67.

The context doesn't explain why you would refer to those two who "conceived your physical vessel" and did all the other things that "are nothing in the overall dedication parents have for their children..." In such degrading terms.

 

[Elihoenai]

You referred to the parents as merely people who "conceived your physical vessel". That completely ignores the sacrifices they made for you, the incredible amount of work it took to just keep you basically ok, and to you that's — what, vanity?

Unhappy? Yes, tons of parents go through very unhappy times raising their children.

My point is, parents deserve their children's respect for these simple things already, and to refer to them as just people who "conceived your physical vessel" is downright disrespectful.

If potential Parents decide to have Children it's their Duty and Responsibility to look after the Child. The Child does Not Owe the Parents anything for doing their Duty and Responsibility. In and Animal Kingdom, animals produce Offspring and look after their offspring until they are strong enough to go their own way looking after themselves without expecting anything in return.

I Am Celibate Decided Not to have Children, therefore, do Not have this Duty and Responsibility.

 

[Elihoenai]

1 Peter 5:8

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

2 Timothy 3:12

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.


In the Western/Faustian World Parenting is Dominated by Faust making a Pact With The Devil/Satan. I live in the Heart of the Faustian World, in London England, where, Happy to say I'm on the receiving end of 24/7 Satanic Ritual Abuse by those that have made a Pact With The Satan/Devil.



Faust

Faust is the protagonist of a classic German legend based on the historical Johann Georg Faust (c. 1480–1540). The erudite Faust is highly successful yet dissatisfied with his life, which leads him to make a pact with the Devil at a crossroads, exchanging his soul for unlimited knowledge and worldly pleasures. The Faust legend has been the basis for many literary, artistic, cinematic, and musical works that have reinterpreted it through the ages. "Faust" and the adjective "Faustian" imply sacrificing spiritual values for power, knowledge, or material gain and / or making a risky bargain with seemingly good intentions that goes terribly wrong.

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The Decline of the West

Spengler recognized at least eight high cultures: Babylonian, Egyptian, Chinese, Indian, Mesoamerican (Mayan/Aztec), Classical (Greek/Roman, "Apollonian"), the non-Babylonian Middle East ("Magian"), and Western or European ("Faustian"). Spengler combined a number of groups under the "Magian" label; "Semitic", Arabian, Persian, and the Abrahamic religions in general as originating from them (Judaism, Christianity, Islam). Similarly, he combined various Mediterranean cultures of antiquity including both Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome as "Apollonian", and modern Westerners as "Faustian". According to Spengler, the Western world was ending and the final season, the "winter" of Faustian Civilization, was being witnessed. In Spengler's depiction, Western Man was a proud but tragic figure because, while he strives and creates, he secretly knows the actual goal will never be reached.

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[Pawpatrol]

The Child does Not Owe the Parents anything for doing their Duty and Responsibility.

The child owes the very fact that he exists to his parents.

If your attitude is such, I can only assume that:

• when you go grocery shopping, and the clerk gives you the change, you don't thank them because it's their duty to give it to you anyway.
• When you were a child and unable to make your own food, you didn't thank your mother for the food she made you since it was her duty to prepare it for you anyway.
• If a fireman rescues you from the fire at the last moment, you won't thank him because it was his duty to rescue you anyway.

Such manners are not socially acceptable — do you wonder why?

 

[Elihoenai]

The child owes the very fact that he exists to his parents.

If your attitude is such, I can only assume that:

• when you go grocery shopping, and the clerk gives you the change, you don't thank them because it's their duty to give it to you anyway.
• When you were a child and unable to make your own food, you didn't thank your mother for the food she made you since it was her duty to prepare it for you anyway.
• If a fireman rescues you from the fire at the last moment, you won't thank him because it was his duty to rescue you anyway.

Such manners are not socially acceptable — do you wonder why?

1 Corinthians 15:33

33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.


That is False. The Parents and the Child Owe their Existence to Elohim/God.

I'm Polite because it's Good Christian Manners to be Polite and Not for any other reason.

 

[Nakosis]

I see a difference between "love" and "honor," and the OP does confirm that it's the commandment that is in question. The commandment states "honor," so yes, I see reason to address the difference.

That's fine, lets address honor then. What does it mean then to honor your parents and and the possibility of parents that could be the exception to that.

 

[Spice]

The context doesn't explain why you would refer to those two who "conceived your physical vessel" and did all the other things that "are nothing in the overall dedication parents have for their children..." In such degrading terms.

I can only surmise you don't understand my viewpoint because you're thinking worldly where as I try to think in the spiritual. As far as what you consider parental sacrifice, you are truly just showing a shallowness of parental love, IMO.

 

[Spice]

Honor is not so much about others. Honor is about oneself. See post #67.