Loved ones in hell - take 2.

[Spirit of Light]

God could easily remove those things.



No matter what test God could give us, he'd know the outcome, so he could just do it anyway.

God knows also that human beings have to awaken to it them self as far as i understand, that is why we dont get a free pass to heaven, and have to suffer in this life

 

[Tiberius]

God knows also that human beings have to awaken to it them self as far as i understand, that is why we dont get a free pass to heaven, and have to suffer in this life

You seem to be missing my point.

When there is a God who can do anything, then he can accomplish anything result he wants by simply snapping his fingers.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You seem to be missing my point.

When there is a God who can do anything, then he can accomplish anything result he wants by simply snapping his fingers.

Yes God can, But that is not how it should be done. If God took us to heaven no matter what, it would be just as being on earth again in heaven, and that is not how it is.

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you understand how that answer comes across as a cop out?

I understand why an atheist would think it is.

God, being God, could make it so we have the appreciation, no matter how we get there.

God could but that is just not how God operates. God only does what He chooses to do. That comes with being omnipotent.

Do you miss all the things you didn't get because you never lived in the world of Krevath before your soul came to Earth? Of course not. Likewise, if Human souls never lived on Earth and instead went straight to Heaven, we wouldn't miss the stuff we missed out on by not living on Earth.

That is true because you would never know the difference, but God wants us to live in this world first, that is why He created it!

 

[Tiberius]

Yes God can, But that is not how it should be done. If God took us to heaven no matter what, it would be just as being on earth again in heaven, and that is not how it is.

No it wouldn't. God could make it like Heaven with just a snap of his fingers.

 

[Tiberius]

God could but that is just not how God operates. God only does what He chooses to do. That comes with being omnipotent.

When it comes to omnipotent beings, any way they choose to do things are equally as valid, since all require the same effort on their part.

That is true because you would never know the difference, but God wants us to live in this world first, that is why He created it!

And yet there is nothing to be gained by having us live in this world first that God couldn't also provide simply by snapping his fingers.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No it wouldn't. God could make it like Heaven with just a snap of his fingers.

Again, that is not why we humans are on rart er are there to learn how to become like God, and through suffering we do learn what make us suffer and we end it, by changing out one way of speaking, acting and thinking.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I dont ask God what he can do for me, but what i can do to become like him.

 

[cataway]

What is considered a creature?

noun. an animal, especially a nonhuman: the creatures of the woods and fields; a creature from outer space. anything created, whether animate or inanimate. person; human being: She is a charming creature.

Creature | Definition of Creature at Dictionary.com

So, a human is also a creature, but what is your point?

all of Gods creatures are souls . nephesh is equal to soul
Nephesh (נֶ֫פֶשׁ‎ nép̄eš) is a Biblical Hebrew word which occurs in the Hebrew Bible. The word refers to the aspects of sentience, and human beings and other animals are both described as having nephesh.[1][2] Plants, as an example of live organisms, are not referred in the Bible as having nephesh. The term נפש‎ is literally "soul", although it is commonly rendered as "life" in English translations.[3] One view is that nephesh relates to sentient being without the idea of life and that, rather than having a nephesh, a sentient creation of God is a nephesh. In Genesis 2:7 the text is not that Adam was given a nephesh but that Adam "became a living nephesh." Nephesh when put with another word can detail aspects related to the concept of nephesh; with רוּחַ‎ rûach ("spirit") it describes a part of mankind that is immaterial, like one's mind, emotions, will, intellect, personality, and conscience, as in Job 7:11.[4][5]

Biblical use[edit]
The word nephesh occurs 754 times in the Hebrew Bible. The first four times nephesh is used in the Bible, it is used exclusively to describe animals: Gen 1:20 (sea life), Gen 1:21 (great sea life), Gen 1:24 (land creatures), Gen 1:30 (birds and land creatures). At Gen 2:7 nephesh is used as description of man.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's the wage of sin. Would you want to live in a world where crime went unpunished?

People do crime cause they choose to. In this cause people were already set up to execute "free will" to sin. When you set the stage for sinning and blame people who choose to do so, then assume people who are engraved in sin will choose the opposite is like putting a ball at the top of the hill and assuming the ball can defy gravity.

People punish others because of theur actions but the nature of the punishment also depends on the cause. In an ideal world, humans are a bit more moral in punishment than god.

As for your question, some denominations believe once you've died, you no you stay dead after judgement. If that's true, than your goal is to accept that through your grief process. If you believe the loved ones will simmer for eternity, it doesn't sound like forgiven sin and unconditional love.

It's really not their fault. Why set people up failing then get mad and punish the people who he says choose to do so?

 

[Tiberius]

Again, that is not why we humans are on rart er are there to learn how to become like God, and through suffering we do learn what make us suffer and we end it, by changing out one way of speaking, acting and thinking.

Of course, there is nothing that we could learn here on Earth that God couldn't just give to us with a snap of his fingers. And since he's omnipotent, doing so would be very easy for him to do.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Of course, there is nothing that we could learn here on Earth that God couldn't just give to us with a snap of his fingers. And since he's omnipotent, doing so would be very easy for him to do.

What do you think spiritual teaching is for?

 

[Tiberius]

What do you think spiritual teaching is for?

What spiritual knowledge or understanding can we gain from spending time here on Earth that we couldn't get from God just snapping his fingers?

 

[Spirit of Light]

What spiritual knowledge or understanding can we gain from spending time here on Earth that we couldn't get from God just snapping his fingers?

Since God does not do that, the spiritual teaching is what bring us closer to God, in understanding and wisdom.

 

[Tiberius]

Since God does not do that, the spiritual teaching is what bring us closer to God, in understanding and wisdom.

Or maybe God doesn't do that because he doesn't exist.

God, being able to do anything, is able to bring us closer to him by giving us the wisdom and understanding with just a snap of his fingers.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Or maybe God doesn't do that because he doesn't exist.

God, being able to do anything, is able to bring us closer to him by giving us the wisdom and understanding with just a snap of his fingers.

That is how you believe it to be

 

[Tiberius]

That is how you believe it to be

You seem unable to explain why it isn't.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You seem unable to explain why it isn't.

I can not explain why God/Allah do what he does or dont do what he dont do, Why? Because i am not a God, so how a God think or do is far beyond what i understand.
That said, it does not mean i dont believe in what is in the teaching, and my belief in Allah only get stronger day by day.

 

[Tiberius]

I can not explain why God/Allah do what he does or dont do what he dont do, Why? Because i am not a God, so how a God think or do is far beyond what i understand.
That said, it does not mean i dont believe in what is in the teaching, and my belief in Allah only get stronger day by day.

It's like in Star Trek, where in one episode they have a character who has some disease and they figure they can cure them by sending them through the transporter with a copy of their DNA from before they were sick, and the transporter will cure them. But in the next season, a character gets sick and they can't figure out how to cure them, and the character dies.

You're the guy who believes that Star Trek is real and works really hard to come up with convoluted reasons why the transporter can fix it in the first episode, but can't fix it in the other one. Everyone else realises that it's just a made up TV show and isn't always going to make sense.

"I can not explain why the transporter works to cure a disease or not. Why? Because i am not a Starfleet engineer, so how transporters work is far beyond what i understand.
That said, it does not mean I don't believe in what is in the episodes, and my belief in Star Trek only get stronger day by day."

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's like in Star Trek, where in one episode they have a character who has some disease and they figure they can cure them by sending them through the transporter with a copy of their DNA from before they were sick, and the transporter will cure them. But in the next season, a character gets sick and they can't figure out how to cure them, and the character dies.

You're the guy who believes that Star Trek is real and works really hard to come up with convoluted reasons why the transporter can fix it in the first episode, but can't fix it in the other one. Everyone else realises that it's just a made up TV show and isn't always going to make sense.

If that is what you think of my belief that is ok